Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
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Chris Norse
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04-21-2009 13:28
From: Toy LaFollette If you look, what Argent was saying is move asll PG land to a continent and make existing M land A land. That wont work because a large segment of ML M land is now PG by the owners wishes. It wouldn't apply to M land that the owner says is PG. No reason to think that. But if that PG owner wants to be surrounded by PG only, then they should move.
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Lord Sullivan
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04-21-2009 13:30
From: Shockwave Yareach While I acknowledge there is much gray area and variation within the G team, I'm very suspect of this example you list. How, exactly, does a work of art "accidently fall" onto another person in an art gallery? Either it would have to be scripted to attack, be deliberately set physical at exactly the right time, or deliberately moved to strike with the Edit functions. A painting just falling on someone because a nail gave out does not happen in SL - that's not the way things work here. So in your example, I think there's a great deal your artist friend is not being upfront about. There was a whole thread in RA about it a few months ago take a read and the artist concerned was upfront about it all it was a GTeam shoot first ask questions later move. Here is the link /327/60/285881/1.htmlNot everyone is full of BS here 
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Deltango Vale
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04-21-2009 13:33
From: Dogboat Taurog all i can say is you are easily pleased....you think this will end here?
"Adult" people will be forced out of SL. disneyfication is on its way and i think you know it. If you read my pervious posts (particularly the early articles with green arrows), you will see how I think all this will end. I'm fighting tooth and nail to get the message across.
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Brenda Connolly
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04-21-2009 13:39
From: Deltango Vale If you read my pervious posts ........ I saw what you did there. 
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Toy LaFollette
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04-21-2009 13:42
From: Qie Niangao Even if they were on an Adult continent, they can still be PG by the owners' wishes, just as they can now on a Mature sim. They'd have to get Adult access, but if that's a problem they could move to the new PG continent. (The fact is, we really need a PG-only continent separated from Mature content a whole lot more than we need to separate Mature from slightly-more-Mature content. But that's only been said about a thousand times on these threads.) perhaps their is need for 3 individual continents but, fact is LL is only looking to add one, the A one. Things like this come up at least once a year. After the hand wringing and it goes into effect things calm down until the next round of panic and ranting.
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Vorren Voltaire
General Contractor
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04-21-2009 13:43
Thanks Brieanne  Just repeating what you and alot of other business owners have said already. It seems like a no brainer to me... if you are going to force us to a penal colony, at least give us the right supplies and a months worth of rations. Its easy to be angry, especially since it seems at every turn Linden Labs is being stingy and pretty damn shady about this whole matter, but I do think that Blondin is doing his best. Of the lurking Lindens behind this entire move...I'm not so sure. They seem hellbent on NOT listening to anything that doesn't go along with the initial plan cooked up long before the first blog announcement was made. PLEASE prove me wrong.
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Lord Sullivan
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04-21-2009 13:46
From: Dogboat Taurog all i can say is you are easily pleased.
he is them whatever you say and he has actually done nothing as far as i can see, to be honest i'd rather LL just did it and stopped the BS.
learn the meaning of lip service because thats all this is.
am i angry about this? damned right i am, because the fruition of LL's plans will wreck a lot of peoples livelyhoods. Their time and money will have been wasted and it goes in this guys pocket as well as all of the other remaining "lindens" you wait and see. and then when your heat is bleeding for blondin wait until LL tell us the next part of the plan.
you think this will end here?
"Adult" people will be forced out of SL. disneyfication is on its way and i think you know it. Just as a matter of interest do you own an Adult business that will be affected by this as i see i lot of anger from you  If LL does decide at some later date that adult business is not welcome, which i might add i doubt they will, then we will have to shut up shop and find something else to do. Problem is with SL is that it is such a risky place to invest a lot of money that you cannot afford to lose overnight, bit like RL you would never risk more than you could afford to lose in a start up company would you? Don't gamble if you cannot afford the loses and thats the base line imho and SL is just one big gamble because of its format.
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Blondin Linden
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04-21-2009 13:47
From: Phoenix Welles That seems to be the problem though, Blondin, from what I understand. somebody might not be running constant ads, but they might wish to list something in the events list once every so often. So people who want to have a party open to anybody once in a while, but otherwise uses the location as a private home are being told they will have to move for that occasional party with an open invite. yes. If they want to advertise it and open it up for the public they will.
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Blondin Linden
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04-21-2009 13:49
From: Hypatia Meili Those that Almost Qualify NEED a chance to get in before the land barons. Devils Advocate: What if the Land Barons almost qualify themselves?
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Blondin Linden
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04-21-2009 13:50
Thank you 
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Blondin Linden
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04-21-2009 13:55
From: Argent Stonecutter So what constitutes advertising? Word of mouth? Word of mouth doesn't have to be advertising though I've done my fair share of Street Team work and know that it can be. Event listings, bots, sending employees out to solicit patrons, I would consider those advertising. What do people think?
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Pip Serendipity
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04-21-2009 13:59
From: Toy LaFollette perhaps their is need for 3 individual continents but, fact is LL is only looking to add one, the A one. Things like this come up at least once a year. After the hand wringing and it goes into effect things calm down until the next round of panic and ranting. YES. How many times have we heard the same moaning and groaning before? Predictions of the end of SL, people taking their wallets and leaving, SL's sky is falling, etc, etc. It never happens, people never follow through with their threats. That's why the Lab feels they can do anything and everything they want. They know the paying clientele will still be there. Whether we like it or not, there is nothing comparable to SL. We know it, they know it. Things will calm down until the next disaster strikes. Does anyone remember the hoo-haha with VAT, the gambling shutdown and openspace? Everyone threatened to leave, but I think the majority are still here. *Hi Pep
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Vorren Voltaire
General Contractor
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04-21-2009 14:02
From: Blondin Linden Word of mouth doesn't have to be advertising though I've done my fair share of Street Team work and know that it can be. Event listings, bots, sending employees out to solicit patrons, I would consider those advertising. What do people think? If it goes through the website, like events or classifieds, its advertisement that LL should be concerned about and the adult standards apply. Bots and Employee solicitations shouldn't be a concern unless its done more than once a week and consistently, blatantly breaks the adult standards.
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Ceejay Harvey
Very unhappy customer
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04-21-2009 14:03
From: Blondin Linden Word of mouth doesn't have to be advertising though I've done my fair share of Street Team work and know that it can be. Event listings, bots, sending employees out to solicit patrons, I would consider those advertising. What do people think? yes I would however I don't run any business's in SL so.. I would like your opinion on this though, what if I decide to have a party on my private land and I say to my friends, party at my place no holds bared, yes you can bring your own sex toy, invite your friends if they want to attend, I'll make sure they have access when they ask for a land mark ( obviously I can't tp people not in my group or friended hence LM). If they want to they can invite people. which means alot of peopleI don't know, could turn up. Would that be considered advertising ?
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Lindal Kidd
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04-21-2009 14:04
From: Blondin Linden Devils Advocate: What if the Land Barons almost qualify themselves? And they will. There are already people deliberately "naughtifying" their parcels in an attempt to get a free swap for Adult land. Some (maybe most) of them simply want, as I do, to continue to own unrestricted mainland. Some are undoubtedly planning to cash in by reselling their free Adult parcels at extremely high prices.
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Blondin Linden
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04-21-2009 14:04
From: Matthew Dowd But that wasn't the example I gave - the example I gave was someone who wanted to hold a swingers party in their own home AND advertise it in events!
Matthew If they want to advertise it, it will have to be on Adult rated land
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Meade Paravane
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04-21-2009 14:07
From: Lindal Kidd And they will. There are already people deliberately "naughtifying" their parcels in an attempt to get a free swap for Adult land. Some (maybe most) of them simply want, as I do, to continue to own unrestricted mainland. Some are undoubtedly planning to cash in by reselling their free Adult parcels at extremely high prices. Of course! Land speculating on porngia will be the new hot business of 2009!
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Matthew Dowd
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04-21-2009 14:08
From: Blondin Linden If they want to advertise it, it will have to be on Adult rated land Right so there is your example of a private home/non-business needing to move to Ursula - someone who intermittently wants to advertise a swingers party in the normally private home (or even just wishes to reserve the right to do so). And this is why the land move needs to be open to anyone on mature land, as regardless what content they currently have, regardless of what businesses they may or not currently run, they may wish to still be allowed to host a one off adult event and advertise it in events. Matthew
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Vorren Voltaire
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Devils Advocate: What if the Land Barons almost qualify themselves?
04-21-2009 14:13
Yes, there is a potential of land barons and others exploiting the system, but since each individual ticket is going to be assessed, that shouldn't be too much of a problem.
It would be even easier if you could look at the history of the parcel in question. If it went from the name "Flat Green Land" to "Alty McAlterson's House of Depravity and Freebies" in the last month then you have a winner.
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Ceejay Harvey
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04-21-2009 14:14
From: Matthew Dowd Right so there is your example of a private home/non-business needing to move to Ursula - someone who intermittently wants to advertise a swingers party in the normally private home (or even just wishes to reserve the right to do so).
And this is why the land move needs to be open to anyone on mature land, as regardless what content they currently have, regardless of what businesses they may or not currently run, they may wish to still be allowed to host a one off adult event and advertise it in events.
Matthew 2-4% of the population effected by these changes, is begining to look alittle shakey me thinks
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Blondin Linden
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04-21-2009 14:15
From: Vorren Voltaire
A month might seem long for a large build where all objects are owned by a single account, or all transferable, but things usually aren't that simple. Consider many places that have been around for a while have evolved to something a lot messier. Multiple owners, no transfer group deeded items, renters, special exception items that is neither group nor owned by anyone in the group (SLX terminals, for example). Alot of tiny details.
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There are a lot of hoops to jump through just to get back to normal. Even then, there are alot of uncertainties that will need to be addressed. AND please...make no bones about it, if you have an adult venue, this will cost you money.
If you own an adult based business, you will lose money. Not because of performance issues or service problems but because Linden Labs decided to change the rules. ....
Yes, that does mean that Linden Labs will have to take a loss for a month on income from tier for the selected residents, but look at the upside. Consider it an investment in the adult community, giving those affected venues and businesses a chance to adapt, thrive and make this transition a success. This has the potential to be some great positive PR on the increasing quality of customer care. It's a step in the right direction. In one gesture, LL could change the entire tone of this transition. It doesn't have to be a perverts ghetto when it could be a hedonists paradise. Successful adult venues = successful adult continent. That would mean more profits and better PR for Linden Labs in the long run.
A month isn't excessive, and it could go a long way for everyone.
Thank you for the thoughtful post. You obviously spent some time on it and I appreciate it.
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Blondin Linden
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04-21-2009 14:16
From: Couldbe Yue and make sure that once the land in ursula is claimed that it can be LM and TPd to by all verified accounts - as soon as the build commenced people are going to want to start getting the new LMs out. Once it is 'bought' ($0L, just thought I'd explicitly state that) , this shouldn't be a problem.
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Brenda Connolly
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04-21-2009 14:18
From: Ceejay Harvey 2-4% of the population effected by these changes, is begining to look alittle shakey me thinks About as shakey as San Francisco was back in 1908.
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Talarus Luan
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04-21-2009 14:23
From: Deltango Vale At the risk of annoying everyone, I don't think screaming at Blondin accomplishes anything. I believe the problem runs much deeper and that Blondin is the unfortunate messenger. While everyone here is angry and frustrated (myself included), the true power of this forum is to articulate well-reasoned arguments - to give Blondin some real ammunition that I'm sure he would be thrilled and relieved to print it and pass along to his boss. Think about it. How many of us have had bosses who weren't the sharpest knives in the drawer? I'll bet Blondin has similar thoughts on his way to work in the morning. I've speculated this previously as well. HOWEVER, there is more than ample evidence that many questions (and some people asking them) are being avoided intentionally. If he is just a mouthpiece, one who is truly sympathetic to those he is talking to and willing to take "our message" back to his boss, then I think some feedback to that effect would be in order. No, I don't believe he is just a "mouthpiece". I see no evidence of disconnection in the way he's handling this at all. As such, I think he's quite deserving of some of the criticism levelled at him directly.
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Dogboat Taurog
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04-21-2009 14:24
From: Lord Sullivan Just as a matter of interest do you own an Adult business that will be affected by this as i see i lot of anger from you  If LL does decide at some later date that adult business is not welcome, which i might add i doubt they will, then we will have to shut up shop and find something else to do. Problem is with SL is that it is such a risky place to invest a lot of money that you cannot afford to lose overnight, bit like RL you would never risk more than you could afford to lose in a start up company would you? Don't gamble if you cannot afford the loses and thats the base line imho and SL is just one big gamble because of its format. i dont own an adult business but i do run 4 sims and this will of course affect us as we cant afford to go "adult" as that will lose us more residents. we have had strip clubs ans escort clubs on our "mature sims" and residentlals too but of course that will come to an end. we are already struggling to find residents given the amount of free land and 19% vat, now we will have more to worry about. ive been here for 2 years, not as long as many people in this thread but i have seen a lot of bad things from LL which have affected a lot of people who actually put money in LL's pockets. "If LL does decide at some later date that adult business is not welcome, which i might add i doubt they will, then we will have to shut up shop and find something else to do." oh rly?
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