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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Milla Janick
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04-21-2009 07:41
From: Couldbe Yue
but Da5id, don't you see that by leaving the content creators behind they effectively get put out of business? A nice hands-free way of ensuring limited growth in the adult world.

And limited growth of Linden Lab.

I'm beginning to think it's just possible they haven't put quite as much thought into this as they should have.
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Couldbe Yue
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04-21-2009 07:46
From: Brenda Connolly
Which is the first step toward the eventual exit from SL as whole. In my opinion.


and I doubt they'll be sorry to see the back of us.
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Blondin Linden
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04-21-2009 07:52
From: Da5id Weatherwax

It also includes businesses catering to adult businesses, businesses that benefit from proximity to adult businesses since they have the same or a similar target market.


They will be allowed to submit a support ticket to move as well.
Brieanne Bomazi
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04-21-2009 07:54
From: Couldbe Yue
and I doubt they'll be sorry to see the back of us.


I know how much linden i have spent in this game in my time here, how much linden my friends have spent.. they won't be happy to see that revenue go.
GreenKnight Kaul
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04-21-2009 07:54
From: Blondin Linden
The Land swap will be available for those who will be most impacted by the adult content changes.



Hopefully the definitions will make it clear that the majority of activities in SL
would be considered mature.



No. And last Friday was the last Brown Bag.


If I am reading this correctly not everyone affected by these changes will be allowed the free move, even if it is recognized that they have "adult" content. I emphasize "most impacted". Only certain selected business's would be considered for the move?
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Bambi Newall
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04-21-2009 08:02
From: Argent Stonecutter
No building or scripting, except for city owners and licensed developers approved by city owners. The whole place will be more restricted than the worst nightmares of SL residents.

What? They use Lua for scripting, the industry standard for scripting 3D game graphics that can be multi-threaded to run concurrent processes.
Chris Norse
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04-21-2009 08:02
From: Blondin Linden
They will be allowed to submit a support ticket to move as well.


Wait a minute. Many people bought mature land because it did not have restrictions. Now their land will be restricted and will lose value. Why not allow anyone owning mature land to swap if they so desire? Is it because you know more than 4% of the mature land owners will want to move? With this plan LL is screwing over a very large segment of it's customer base in the hopes of placating a few puritans.
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Da5id Weatherwax
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04-21-2009 08:11
From: Blondin Linden
They will be allowed to submit a support ticket to move as well.


then this is a new and very welcome development since you described a very different criterion earlier, you said that submitting a support ticket wouldnt get them moved, it would result in an inspection to see if they qualify to. A business that depends on adult content even though it itself falls on the "mature" side of the line would therefore have been SOL. I'm glad to hear this is being changed.

I say very welcome on two grounds. Firstly it shows a measure of dealing in good faith with your customers that we were starting to feel was lacking and if I have read you correctly in this post and your previous one this is also the first clear incidence of policies or plans being modified in the light of our input since the process began.
Alexander Harbrough
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04-21-2009 08:12
From: Chris Norse
Wait a minute. Many people bought mature land because it did not have restrictions. Now their land will be restricted and will lose value. Why not allow anyone owning mature land to swap if they so desire? Is it because you know more than 4% of the mature land owners will want to move? With this plan LL is screwing over a very large segment of it's customer base in the hopes of placating a few puritans.


Agreed.. even people who are not immediately affected should have the option without having to artificially 'sex up' their land to qualify.
Bhakta Thor
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still anxiously waiting
04-21-2009 08:14
From: Couldbe Yue
and I doubt they'll be sorry to see the back of us.


Yes, I have been anxious about all of this since it was first announced. I don't know if it will be better to be labeled as an Adult or as Mature, nor whether I should hope to move to the Adult land early or wait until it is more expensive to move. I still have no idea what level of choice we will have as to our own labels. They are ruining this game for me. I have started looking at other virtual worlds, and currently, there does not seem to be an alternative. I think virtual worlds should be a commodity, and the citizens themselves should decide what happens. If it were an internet (or cloud) world, and we established our 'land' on our own computer, wouldn't that work better?
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Bambi Newall
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04-21-2009 08:21
From: Blondin Linden
The Land swap will be available for those who will be most impacted by the adult content changes.

Now, SL looks more and more like a certified, condoned XXX pornophilia heaven that everyone rushes in to get a piece of the meat pie :)

Isn't it a great job that LL did to improve their image to attract corporate investors, and open door to family gatherings?
Robert Graf
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04-21-2009 08:27
From: Bhakta Thor
Yes, I have been anxious about all of this since it was first announced. I don't know if it will be better to be labeled as an Adult or as Mature, nor whether I should hope to move to the Adult land early or wait until it is more expensive to move. I still have no idea what level of choice we will have as to our own labels. They are ruining this game for me. I have started looking at other virtual worlds, and currently, there does not seem to be an alternative. I think virtual worlds should be a commodity, and the citizens themselves should decide what happens. If it were an internet (or cloud) world, and we established our 'land' on our own computer, wouldn't that work better?
BT



OpenSim allows you to do exactly that. You can run your own sim/grid and connect it to public grids like OSGRID. They are at release 0.6.4. According to the opensim folks that represents the percentage of SL "features" that they have implemented - 64%. They plan to have the rest implemented by the end of this year. Took about 10 minutes to setup a test sim and get it connected to OSGRID. 1,918 regions already on the grid with more coming online everyday.
Milla Janick
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04-21-2009 08:31
From: Blondin Linden
The Land swap will be available for those who will be most impacted by the adult content changes.

That's a little vague. Are there guidelines?

Do landowners who want the freedom of use they paid for qualify?

Is appearing in search a litmus test?
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Mysty Saunders
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04-21-2009 08:37
I do not know if this question has been asked already or not but here it goes. What can I do if I want to keep the land that I am going to be moved from? Would I have to wait for it to be aucttioned? Can I just pay a double tier? I don't mind moving my prison over but I would like to keep the mainland that I am currently on for my home.
Jill Winger
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What, no clear definitiion yet?
04-21-2009 08:43
From: Blondin Linden
I'm not 100% but I think strip clubs themselves would be mature while strip clubs with sex, backroom or otherwise, (the poseball comments some people were concerned about before) would be considered adult.


Here it is, what, 5 weeks later and LL STILL doesn't know?
Jill Winger
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
04-21-2009 08:46
From: Blondin Linden
I really do apologize for the lateness of the transcripts. I'll push on that today and see if I can find out what the delay is. Again, I'm sorry about that.



And can we expect delays in EVERYTHING regarding the forced relocation? Really, how the bleep can we trust that and 'tickets' will be timely treated on a 'case by case' basis when LL can't even do what they said they would do, much less something they have NO IDEA HOW they are doing it????
Ceejay Harvey
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bigotted linden labs just so clueless
04-21-2009 09:06
Age verification is something I feel has been needed for awhile ( this is probably the only part of my reply they will read and use it as justification of them doing the right thing)

I however in just talks among non american users how ignorant and uncareing they are being over this AV farce

Every thing must be done to US standards nothing is given to anyone from over sea's and they are just ignoring other nations privacy laws.

If this continues in the currant direction that is being taken then good luck the americanised sl grid is here alienating in some cases almost all of the population of some countries in the far east, because it is ILLEGAL (yes nice big letters for the fools that are pushing AV in this way) to divulge the information you are requiring to an oversea's company, a very shabby one with a poor history of ensuring the security of the infomation that is sent to them

This happens then I really hope so much that any non americans turns their back on these bigots.

When I can no longer enjoy intimate company from my friends in countries like japan and korea I will walk, and I hope many follow me.
Shannon Danick
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04-21-2009 09:12
I think this whole thing has gone too far. Even in SL, real life restrictions now apply......rediculous.
Shannon Danick
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04-21-2009 09:16
I just want to add one other thought to this matter..... SL will lose many users once they decide to restrict us more. Most came here for the fun of little restriction. Now, even more is being taken away. Way to go Lindens....mess up a good thing even more. Just watch how many flies start dropping. You'll see!
Kara Spengler
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04-21-2009 09:20
From: Blondin Linden
The Land swap will be available for those who will be most impacted by the adult content changes.


Care to define that?

This policy change affects *all* owners of mature mainland. Residential or business. Non-advertised or advertised. PG or mature usage of that plot. Just because a player is essentially PG does not mean they would not be impacted if a neighbor or a friend were to have to move. I paid a high price for my land because of the proximity to a friend's place that she made accessible to all. Even though her business has nothing to do with that place, the business is adult so if she moves the non-adult place goes too. Please tell me again how I am not impacted.
Bhakta Thor
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Moving
04-21-2009 09:25
From: Robert Graf
OpenSim allows you to do exactly that. You can run your own sim/grid and connect it to public grids like OSGRID. They are at release 0.6.4. According to the opensim folks that represents the percentage of SL "features" that they have implemented - 64%. They plan to have the rest implemented by the end of this year. Took about 10 minutes to setup a test sim and get it connected to OSGRID. 1,918 regions already on the grid with more coming online everyday.


Thank you. I will check it out. I looked there once about a year or so ago and it was not so easy to log in and get established. I have spent so much money in SL that I hate to walk away, but at least then they can sell my land again. I guess I will wait and see, but I really think that this does not constitute an improvement for anyone. I just thank God that I will not have to see anymore naked avatars (I know, a sick joke at this stage)
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Eydie Vantelli
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Current LL PG & Mature guidelines.....
04-21-2009 09:27
Having finally (& I had searched on many previous occasions) found the page giving the definitive definitions LL had in place for PG & Mature....I thought I would share the location...

https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=3954

Don't feel bad if you haven't read them before...the link to this page is on page 11 of 12 pages of FAQs for landowners!!! Hardly given a high priority!

(This page of definitions was created 11/4/07 & updated 31/7/08)

The current definition of PG is:

- PG Areas are designated to be free from sexually explicit language or behavior, swearing and other forms of aggressive language, violent behavior and/or imagery, including horror. Gambling for Linden Dollars is also prohibited.

Perhaps more relevant to the current discussions is the definition given for MATURE:

- In Mature regions, Residents can be free to engage in more adult activity and language, though of course, explicit adult content must be contained behind "closed doors".

Clearly this definition has not been upheld and I suspect many were unaware of it.

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Scott Savira
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04-21-2009 09:31
From: Blondin Linden

The Land swap will be available for those who will be most impacted by the adult content changes.


Blondin,

Please stop talking like a lawyer and be straight up.

In your opinion, do you believe that those of us with non-adult mature mainland will qualify for free land swaps if we request it?

For many of us, we have adult neighbors we want to stay near or we have plans to toy with an adult oriented idea in the future. There are a variety of legitimate reasons for moving that do not include buying up cheap land to make a quick profit after the swap. I just want the unrestricted land I bought to remain unrestricted so I'm free to flex my creative muscles anytime I feel like it.
Vorren Voltaire
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Glad you can read, but can you discuss?
04-21-2009 09:32
From: Blondin Linden
Consider it read



Okay. Great. Now how about some dialog on this?

Do you understand what the concerns are? Just to keep it perfectly clear. Here is a summary recap.

Brieanne Bomazi said:

1. It has been stated that 9 days will be allowed move. It is entirely unfeasible. There are many full sim owners that simply can not pack up and move a full or even ½ sim in that allotted time. We propose a changed time limit of 30 days minimum, for anyone owning more than 2048 land. The original 9 days could be applied to anyone owning less than this amount. This allows existing businesses to still remain in business while the new location is being built and set up.

2. It has also been stated that LL will not charge a *duel* land tier while the swap is underway. While this is acceptable, there is also the time that we, current paying residents of SL, have to invest to rebuild/move. In compensation for this time lost, we respectfully request one months land tier credit, to compensate for our time, and loss of business this move will incur.

3. In consideration of the land swap, all group owned land choice should be given to the current group owner, or top contributor of donated land in the group.


Valerius Constantine said: (in regards to "first come first served"

this is simply not acceptable. My group has some 8768 Sq meters. We'd like groovy land on Ursula. But we don't have a whole sim- not even a quarter.

It would be completely unfair for LL to give us our parcel, taking up a small part of a sim, and then having a full sim owner have to shoehorn in around us.

Is this how LL repays the customers who pay the most tier fees? "First come, first served?"



So far, all you have said, Blondin, is consider it read. I think there is more here that needs to be addressed than the fact that you have graciously acknowledged it. There are some very valid points and concerns being raised here, and still you keep avoiding these questions. Come on already.
Lindal Kidd
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The Scarlet Letter!
04-21-2009 09:40
Show the Lindens what "2 to 4%" means.

Join the group *I* Am Adult Content. Look back in the group notices for the one about the "Scarlet Letter" signs. Keep the attachment.

You'll get an assortment of big red "A"s on a big white background. Big enough to be seen from orbit, on the Map.

Rez the biggest one you can fit on your parcel. Loft it up to about 300 meters, above the cloud layer.

While you are at it, check out the Mature section of XStreet and get the freebie *I* Am Adult Content t-shirt. Wear it with pride!

Come on, people. You have Adult Content. You want to keep it. Cover the landscape in Scarlet Letters. Be proud of your Adult status.
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