Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Wow LL - you haven't even started the forced march to the ghetto yet, and already the few people who know what little there is of your plans, are quitting. And as you firm up your decisions, ten times that will be going.

Any chance you might reconsider now and try a different approach? One that doesn't make 1/3 of your paying customers close their wallets and leave, yet still creates a worthwhile and predictable new user experience? The money is beginning to go and no new money is replacing it. If you don't change direction soon, it'll be too late - you only get one chance at this you know.

Ah, see, that makes sense. Thank you - I was wondering. Yes, in that case, this was a stupid move by the Gteam; one of many.

Seems to me, logisitically, it might be very much less work for LL if they offer the move to any currently owning Mature land that want to move.

Apart from doing away with any 'fairness' issues.

This would presumably result in a great many more 'whole sims' being 'on the move'.

I am not a programmer...but surely if it is a whole sim being moved...LL can simply remap the sim address to locate it in the Ursula mainland, choosing an appropriate place (coastal or interior) to plonk it down.

This would mean almost no disruption to residents - they would be on the same sim...just attached to a different continent. And very little work for LL...

Any terraforming differences between newly moved adjoining sims shouldn't be too dramatic and will just reflect the fine tuning that is always happening on the mainland.

This would seem also to help the 'fairness' argument as people would be ending up with exactly what they originally purchased - just new neighbors in the nextdoor sim. It might even result in whole blocks of Mature sims just needing lifting up and plonking back down.

Obviously, there will be some partial sims owners who will require to actually move to a new location and extra work for LL allocating Urusula locations to them. But the beauty of this idea is that the wider LL publicises the move the less complicated the work for them .

This might also help to prevent any wild changes in the value of land in the various category sims as all those who want to move will have done so as part of the process ... therefore no abnormal land demand for speculators to cash in on.

Perhaps Blondin could advise whether there are programming issues on such a suggestion?

Umm .... pretty much anyone who has a friend/neighbor who is into adult content?

As well as finding ways to break it quite easily. Who do we submit the bill for tester consultant services too?

It would be less work if they simply made the current "mature" land the adult continent, and glued together the remaining PG parcels with openspaces somewhere else.

A simple thing like a spontaneous announced vernissage at a spontaneous rezzed art gallery (and my art-gallery structures are open, not closed, they are designed for open air installations), could be a problem. For example. Spontaneity is, as said, the keyword. Living on mature land is now like to live with a cutter in the head. If I like to rezz a funny realistc male or female pee-animation-ball behind a bush/tree, because my home has no toilets, hahaha, then I can forget that from now on.

Same with pools. What cannot all happen in a pool...while a party...

Or maybe I like to hang my avatar..., naked, because he is frustrated, hahaha, and everyone who is firm in medicine knows: if a man hangs himself, he got an erection...if not a last orgasm... yes, really, and I would not hang my ava clothed, because I don't like to make my clothes dirty. Also naked sky-diving as couple in missionary or doggy position can be fun.

And then comes a monk and nun couple contemplating along their walk, looking in my garden and then they AR me....what then?

Millions of ideas....

Yes.

First of all...thank you for addressing this! I know its not exactly soft lobs we are throwing here.




A month might seem long for a large build where all objects are owned by a single account, or all transferable, but things usually aren't that simple.
Consider many places that have been around for a while have evolved to something a lot messier. Multiple owners, no transfer group deeded items, renters, special exception items that is neither group nor owned by anyone in the group (SLX terminals, for example). Alot of tiny details.

If it was just about the build, it could be moved in 20 days, but that really is the easy part.
The thing of it is...its not just moving a build, its moving a community. Its moving your staff, your customers and reinventing the way that you do business.

Its not only the move, but the landmarks and picks and classifieds that need to be updated. Then there is the huge question of marketing under the new rules. How will they be able access new potential customers, guests and staff? How will the search changes impact them directly?
Yes, we know in theory how its going to work, but I doubt anyone will really have those answers until the transition has happened. Once it goes live there are bound to be some bugs to be worked out. Only through trial and error will that become apparent what works and what doesn't.

There will be existing staff, guests, tenants and customers that might need to be helped thought the age verification process before they can even enter the new location. They won't turn to Help Island for that.
(Though if you want to create an official Adult Mentors group, sign me up!)
In many cases, these are just casual users that may not be on for weeks at a time. It puts the venue owners on the spot to try and catch these people and get them up to speed. Lets face it...only a slim minority reads the offline messages, notecards, group notices, forums or blogs. Combine that with the actual move and you are looking at a nightmare scenario.

If this was something that had been requested, it might be a different story. But it isn't. Most business owners that I've talked to just want this whole thing to go away.

Many content creators have worked hard to carve out a niche in an already competitive saturated market, finding what works for them and then the rules were changed. Just like that. Now many affected will have to rebuild and reinvent the way that they do business.

There are a lot of hoops to jump through just to get back to normal. Even then, there are alot of uncertainties that will need to be addressed. AND please...make no bones about it, if you have an adult venue, this will cost you money.

If you own an adult based business, you will lose money. Not because of performance issues or service problems but because Linden Labs decided to change the rules.

Whatever the grand plan may be, and even if in the long term these changes do pay off, in the immediate future the majority of venue owners, adult content creators and service providers WILL lose money. There just isn't any way around that.

Many new and existing customers will have another hurdle to jump over. There will be less traffic. There will be a lot of general confusion...which never translates into profit for a business owner.

Some sort of compensation (besides the good will of Linden Labs and a few articles in the knowledge base ) would go along way to help get back to normal. A tier grace period really isn't asking a lot. Its really bare minimum compensation.

Yes, that does mean that Linden Labs will have to take a loss for a month on income from tier for the selected residents, but look at the upside. Consider it an investment in the adult community, giving those affected venues and businesses a chance to adapt, thrive and make this transition a success.
This has the potential to be some great positive PR on the increasing quality of customer care. It's a step in the right direction.
In one gesture, LL could change the entire tone of this transition.
It doesn't have to be a perverts ghetto when it could be a hedonists paradise. Successful adult venues = successful adult continent. That would mean more profits and better PR for Linden Labs in the long run.

A month isn't excessive, and it could go a long way for everyone.

and make sure that once the land in ursula is claimed that it can be LM and TPd to by all verified accounts - as soon as the build commenced people are going to want to start getting the new LMs out.

no, much of M land is designated PG by the land owner. M land doesnt mean it is M or A. Its up to the individual owner as to what they have, or allow on their land.

Hmm, I wonder if ursula LMs should be indicated some way? A different color border maybe?

That also means you would have to do something with the slurls too. Maybe replace the '/secondlife/' with some other string?

And they can still keep it that way. But restricting current M land owners who bought in good faith to a PG setting is wrong. People bought land with no restrictions, they should have the option to move at no cost to other no restriction land if this new system is going to be implemented.

Thanks Blondin it would be appreciated, most of us i am sure realize you are having an uphill struggle what with us and maybe your bosses but as i have always said it is important to get this information disseminated as quickly as possible, one to stifle the rumor mongering and also to at least try and build some trust between the customers and the Lab as this moves forward.

Hope your RL issues got sorted ok

If you look, what Argent was saying is move asll PG land to a continent and make existing M land A land. That wont work because a large segment of ML M land is now PG by the owners wishes.

Thanks and

The PG land you're talking about is however on mature sims, therefore they are not the PG land Argent is talking about.

exctly, so hows could exisiting M land be lumped with A land?

There is demand, again making it voluntary for people to move will allow the continent to grow organically, plenty of people want to move there, some due to the fact that they feel Linden Lab are moving the goalposts on mature and that does certainly seem to be the case in some circumstances and others because they feel it will be vibrant there.

Making the moves about choice of course means you annoy a lot less people, it's the foced moves and trying to define silly definitions that will continually undermine this project, let people move there who want to move there and leave everyone else alone.

all i can say is you are easily pleased.

he is them whatever you say and he has actually done nothing as far as i can see, to be honest i'd rather LL just did it and stopped the BS.

learn the meaning of lip service because thats all this is.

am i angry about this?
damned right i am, because the fruition of LL's plans will wreck a lot of peoples livelyhoods.
Their time and money will have been wasted and it goes in this guys pocket as well as all of the other remaining "lindens"
you wait and see.
and then when your heat is bleeding for blondin wait until LL tell us the next part of the plan.

you think this will end here?

"Adult" people will be forced out of SL.
disneyfication is on its way and i think you know it.

Very well said Vorren. I posted a reply similar, but.. i got forbidden not allowed to post response. I think i might not have stated my case quite so well, due to the fact that i am more than a tad bit angry.. but you said it all. Maybe they will pay attention.

~Brie

Well said and I totally agree with you on every word Lets hope its read and worked on by others

This was pulled directly from the LL Knowledge Base.... they have answred their own question.

What is the difference between PG and Mature land?



Private Region/Estate/Island owners can indicate their land to be either PG or Mature from the Region tab of the Region/Estate window, using the Maturity dropdown list. This option is not available to Region owners on the mainland.

The PG and Mature ratings mirror those used by many countries' movie and television industries to denote the age-appropriateness of behavior, language and creations within a given area of Second Life.

PG Areas are designated to be free from sexually explicit language or behavior, swearing and other forms of aggressive language, violent behavior and/or imagery, including horror. Gambling for Linden Dollars is also prohibited.

Children and young people up to age 17 are automatically restricted to Teen Second Life, a special PG area that separates them from the adult population of Second Life.

Adults age 18 and over may seek an experience free of Mature content and so, we also offer PG areas within the adult regions of Second Life.

Mature areas are limited to the adult-accessible areas of Second Life only, and do allow adult language and behavior.

seems this move is a moot point and directly attacking the "adult" users.

Even if they were on an Adult continent, they can still be PG by the owners' wishes, just as they can now on a Mature sim. They'd have to get Adult access, but if that's a problem they could move to the new PG continent.

(The fact is, we really need a PG-only continent separated from Mature content a whole lot more than we need to separate Mature from slightly-more-Mature content. But that's only been said about a thousand times on these threads.)

Any wandering vigilante busybody who cams through the wall?