and I doubt they'll be sorry to see the back of us.
*steals a glance* Too bad. They don't know what they'll be missing.
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Brenda Connolly
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04-21-2009 09:45
and I doubt they'll be sorry to see the back of us. *steals a glance* Too bad. They don't know what they'll be missing. _____________________
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Blondin Linden
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04-21-2009 09:48
then this is a new and very welcome development since you described a very different criterion earlier, you said that submitting a support ticket wouldnt get them moved, it would result in an inspection to see if they qualify to. A business that depends on adult content even though it itself falls on the "mature" side of the line would therefore have been SOL. I'm glad to hear this is being changed. You may want to hold your Kudos. Submitting a support ticket will allow you the chance to explain how this is impacting you. There isn't a guarantee. There will still be an inspection to identify those who qualify. However, if your business relies on Adult Content and would be negatively impacted, then there is nothing stopping you from submitting a ticket along with everyone else, explaining your need to move. We'll judge it on a case by case. |
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04-21-2009 09:50
You may want to hold your Kudos. Submitting a support ticket will allow you the chance to explain how this is impacting you. There isn't a guarantee. There will still be an inspection to identify those who qualify. However, if your business relies on Adult Content and would be negatively impacted, then there is nothing stopping you from submitting a ticket along with everyone else, explaining your need to move. We'll judge it on a case by case. So if you don't have 'adult' land but live where you do because your good friend and neighbor does, your request to move will be denied? _____________________
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Blondin Linden
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04-21-2009 09:52
I do not know if this question has been asked already or not but here it goes. What can I do if I want to keep the land that I am going to be moved from? Would I have to wait for it to be aucttioned? Can I just pay a double tier? I don't mind moving my prison over but I would like to keep the mainland that I am currently on for my home. On your support ticket, you can explain that you'd like to keep your Mainland parcel as well. |
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04-21-2009 09:58
You may want to hold your Kudos. Submitting a support ticket will allow you the chance to explain how this is impacting you. There isn't a guarantee. There will still be an inspection to identify those who qualify. However, if your business relies on Adult Content and would be negatively impacted, then there is nothing stopping you from submitting a ticket along with everyone else, explaining your need to move. We'll judge it on a case by case. So only FIC need apply. Thanks for the clarification. _____________________
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Blondin Linden
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04-21-2009 10:10
Okay. Great. Now how about some dialog on this? Do you understand what the concerns are? Just to keep it perfectly clear. Here is a summary recap. Brieanne Bomazi said: 1. It has been stated that 9 days will be allowed move. It is entirely unfeasible. There are many full sim owners that simply can not pack up and move a full or even ½ sim in that allotted time. We propose a changed time limit of 30 days minimum, for anyone owning more than 2048 land. The original 9 days could be applied to anyone owning less than this amount. This allows existing businesses to still remain in business while the new location is being built and set up. We're discussing the 9 days and yes, from some of the complex builds I've seen, 9 days does seem rather short in my opinion. However, I think 30 days is a bit too long. We're talking about it internally and I'll update you all when we have some type of answer. 2. It has also been stated that LL will not charge a *duel* land tier while the swap is underway. While this is acceptable, there is also the time that we, current paying residents of SL, have to invest to rebuild/move. In compensation for this time lost, we respectfully request one months land tier credit, to compensate for our time, and loss of business this move will incur. Unfortunately, I doubt that this would happen. If we kept the move to 9 days, then there would be less economic impact then if the move was dragged out over 30. 3. In consideration of the land swap, all group owned land choice should be given to the current group owner, or top contributor of donated land in the group. That's really an issue for individual groups isn't it? What if there are multiple owners? Valerius Constantine said: (in regards to "first come first served" this is simply not acceptable. My group has some 8768 Sq meters. We'd like groovy land on Ursula. But we don't have a whole sim- not even a quarter. It would be completely unfair for LL to give us our parcel, taking up a small part of a sim, and then having a full sim owner have to shoehorn in around us. Is this how LL repays the customers who pay the most tier fees? "First come, first served?" We will be quite conscious of where and how we place people. Even with First Come, First Served, we will consider placement, content and parcel size. |
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04-21-2009 10:22
What? They use Lua for scripting, the industry standard for scripting 3D game graphics that can be multi-threaded to run concurrent processes. The point is not what language they use, the point is that they are restricting building scripting to city owners and developers approved by the city owners. Odds are you won't even be able to give someone a scripted object and have it run. _____________________
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04-21-2009 10:24
OpenSim allows you to do exactly that. ![]() Legally, I mean. _____________________
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Ryanna Enfield
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04-21-2009 10:24
Is there room for growth of the Ursula Continent even beyond say the current PG and Mature Continents? In other words, what if the community shifts and the largest portion of the population desires to reside on Adult Mainland?
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04-21-2009 10:24
At the risk of annoying everyone, I don't think screaming at Blondin accomplishes anything. I believe the problem runs much deeper and that Blondin is the unfortunate messenger. While everyone here is angry and frustrated (myself included), the true power of this forum is to articulate well-reasoned arguments - to give Blondin some real ammunition that I'm sure he would be thrilled and relieved to print it and pass along to his boss. Think about it. How many of us have had bosses who weren't the sharpest knives in the drawer? I'll bet Blondin has similar thoughts on his way to work in the morning.
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04-21-2009 10:24
On your support ticket, you can explain that you'd like to keep your Mainland parcel as well. And trust LL to act in our best interests? I don't think so. I'm selling my mainland NOW, I'm not waiting. So are a lot of other people. I'm seeing more and more mainland, in prime locations, coming on the market. And prices are already starting to move down. I told you so, I told you so, I told you so. _____________________
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04-21-2009 10:27
We're discussing the 9 days and yes, from some of the complex builds I've seen, 9 days does seem rather short in my opinion. However, I think 30 days is a bit too long. We're talking about it internally and I'll update you all when we have some type of answer. Unfortunately, I doubt that this would happen. If we kept the move to 9 days, then there would be less economic impact then if the move was dragged out over 30. For a lot of people it won't be 9 days though. You may consider the bulk of your customers to be housebound shutins who should get a real life but as with a lot of things LL are completely wrong. There are people who work 5-7 days a week and there are those who do things like go on holidays with their families. For the latter, no insurance company is going to accept the cancellation of a holiday reason being that the service provider was so unreasonable that they wouldn't advise the move date until almost the last minute and that there would only be given a limited period before their goods became forfeit. _____________________
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04-21-2009 10:27
However, if your business relies on Adult Content and would be negatively impacted, then there is nothing stopping you from submitting a ticket along with everyone else, explaining your need to move. We'll judge it on a case by case. _____________________
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04-21-2009 10:27
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Meade Paravane
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04-21-2009 10:34
At the risk of annoying everyone, I don't think screaming at Blondin accomplishes anything. I believe the problem runs much deeper and that Blondin is the unfortunate messenger. While everyone here is angry and frustrated (myself included), the true power of this forum is to articulate well-reasoned arguments - to give Blondin some real ammunition that I'm sure he would be thrilled and relieved to print it and pass along to his boss. Think about it. How many of us have had bosses who weren't the sharpest knives in the drawer? I'll bet Blondin has similar thoughts on his way to work in the morning. And if Blondin is actually a big fan on this project? We've made tons of very reasonable comments already; we've pointed out huge, glaring holes in their plan; we've offered lots of alternatives that would better accomplish the goals LL said they're trying to accomplish. /me isn't seeing LL doing much except plowing ahead with their original plan. What we say really doesn't seem to matter much.. Not that I'm saying we should take our (very justified) frustrations out on Blondin. Just that he doesn't seem any more interested in what we say that other Lindens do. _____________________
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04-21-2009 10:35
I have added an "Unanswered Questions" section to the Wiki page on Adult Content. It might be worthwhile adding your own unanswered questions there.
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04-21-2009 10:42
And if Blondin is actually a big fan on this project? We've made tons of very reasonable comments already; we've pointed out huge, glaring holes in their plan; we've offered lots of alternatives that would better accomplish the goals LL said they're trying to accomplish. /me isn't seeing LL doing much except plowing ahead with their original plan. What we say really doesn't seem to matter much.. Not that I'm saying we should take our (very justified) frustrations out on Blondin. Just that he doesn't seem any more interested in what we say that other Lindens do. I agree... and funny thing, when i tried to respond to Blondins last post, all i get is *Forbidden*. WTF. so lets see if this works.... And it didn't... i could preview this post, but when i tried to add my response to Blondin's post, i got *forbidden not allowed* |
Wynochee LeShelle
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04-21-2009 10:51
You may want to hold your Kudos. Submitting a support ticket will allow you the chance to explain how this is impacting you. There isn't a guarantee. There will still be an inspection to identify those who qualify. However, if your business relies on Adult Content and would be negatively impacted, then there is nothing stopping you from submitting a ticket along with everyone else, explaining your need to move. We'll judge it on a case by case. With that, it is clear, that any spontaneity is murdered and dead. I don't know if I build tomorrow 200+ adult positions into my interior, I don't know if I like to sell it or not, I don't know wich item I buy and rezz and use in the next second in game and I don't know what will come to my mind in the next minute, if I photograph a real life model or doing a painting on canvas and maybe scann it to upload it as adult-art for a gallery or as part of an interior concept, or what will happen while a creative process while mixing impressions and ideas in photoshop, or wich happening or event I like to start now, or tomorrow or next week, month or in a year... This freedom is definitly gone now. But for that freedom we buyed mature land. To be able to do all or nothing, depending on moods and creativity. There is in much cases nothing to explain, to review, to be seen case by case. It happens or not, ever the slogan "Your World. Your Imagination." in background. It is impossible to explain or to review ideas, wich are not born or wich are born, but not visible to see and to touch so far. Mature land gave that freedom, to be spontaneous and this is why everyone should have the right to swap *without questions*. It is just logical. |
Deltango Vale
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04-21-2009 10:51
I have added an "Unanswered Questions" section to the Wiki page on Adult Content. It might be worthwhile adding your own unanswered questions there. _____________________
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04-21-2009 10:55
I agree... and funny thing, when i tried to respond to Blondins last post, all i get is *Forbidden*. WTF. so lets see if this works.... And it didn't... i could preview this post, but when i tried to add my response to Blondin's post, i got *forbidden not allowed* That's because they've put some SQL injection protection softare on the forums.. Avoid the word 'select'. _____________________
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04-21-2009 10:55
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04-21-2009 10:56
And if your property in SL "relies on adult content", but it's not a "business"? Apparently you get to fight it out with land speculators for a chance to buy an Adult 1024 for L$50,000. Or stick with The New PG and wait for someone to AR you for changing your clothes. Unless you're confident that the G-Team will make reasonable decisions and ignore frivolous ARs. Yeah, let me know how that goes. _____________________
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Deltango Vale
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04-21-2009 11:05
....I have lived exactly this scenario, in a different setting, the Open Directory Project. The result of attempting to define "adult" results only in bickering and fighting, from the moment you make the decision to *create* a definition, the fighting will continue until either the idea is scrapped or the place shuts down. Fighting not only among residents, but also staff. Been there, done that, for 5 years, have the scars still. It is ugly. And ultimately not worth it.... But there is NO WAY you are going to manage to successfully define the term "adult" and then apply that consistently all across the grid. LL will need to hire staff that does nothing but check whether stuff is "adult", day in day out, called to decide whether any given shade of gray falls under "black" or "white". I do NOT envy those LL staff members who will be called to do this, simply because I know what it is like. /me shakes his head in dismay at the folly of this decision... _____________________
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04-21-2009 11:05
At the risk of annoying everyone, I don't think screaming at Blondin accomplishes anything. I believe the problem runs much deeper and that Blondin is the unfortunate messenger. While everyone here is angry and frustrated (myself included), the true power of this forum is to articulate well-reasoned arguments - to give Blondin some real ammunition that I'm sure he would be thrilled and relieved to print it and pass along to his boss. Think about it. How many of us have had bosses who weren't the sharpest knives in the drawer? I'll bet Blondin has similar thoughts on his way to work in the morning. blondin is LL, he is not a messenger, he is here as an LL employee representing LL's interests only, and he should feel ashamed of himself and LL, this is is lip service only. and LL can say "well we listened to our residents and here is the deal..." i don't have the slightest sympathy for him. "Think about it. How many of us have had bosses who weren't the sharpest knives in the drawer?" They were your bosses and on a higher wage than you and had the upper hand over you. not the sharpest knifes? sharper than you... |
Deltango Vale
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04-21-2009 11:17
blondin is LL, he is not a messenger, he is here as an LL employee representing LL's interests only, and he should feel ashamed of himself and LL, this is is lip service only. and LL can say "well we listened to our residents and here is the deal..." i don't have the slightest sympathy for him. _____________________
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