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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Blondin Linden
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04-21-2009 11:25
Just got an email that I thought I'd pass along:

"Last night my alt started hearing rumors that because of the AO changes SL was doing massive grid wide age verifications and that residents were being instructed to go to an island and give up personal info like real names. drivers license numbers, passport numbers, and ssn. If they did not comply in a week their accounts would be banished to the kidgrid for good.

Just a headsup that there's possibly some organized phishing going on regarding AO stuff"

Has anyone encountered this? Be safe out there!
Blondin Linden
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04-21-2009 11:26
From: Ryanna Enfield
Is there room for growth of the Ursula Continent even beyond say the current PG and Mature Continents? In other words, what if the community shifts and the largest portion of the population desires to reside on Adult Mainland?



If there is demand - there is room to expand.
Matthew Dowd
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04-21-2009 11:26
From: Meade Paravane
That's because they've put some SQL injection protection softare on the forums.. Avoid the word ...


Or rather only ever use the words "from" and "select" in that order, never the other way around.

(that includes usage of those words in quotes, hence I had to remove edit out select in Meade's post).

Matthew
Blondin Linden
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04-21-2009 11:27
From: Deltango Vale
At the risk of annoying everyone, I don't think screaming at Blondin accomplishes anything. I believe the problem runs much deeper and that Blondin is the unfortunate messenger. While everyone here is angry and frustrated (myself included), the true power of this forum is to articulate well-reasoned arguments - to give Blondin some real ammunition that I'm sure he would be thrilled and relieved to print it and pass along to his boss. Think about it. How many of us have had bosses who weren't the sharpest knives in the drawer? I'll bet Blondin has similar thoughts on his way to work in the morning.



I appreciate the post Del - Thank you.
Blondin Linden
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04-21-2009 11:31
From: Couldbe Yue
There are people who work 5-7 days a week and there are those who do things like go on holidays with their families.

For the latter, no insurance company is going to accept the cancellation of a holiday reason being that the service provider was so unreasonable that they wouldn't advise the move date until almost the last minute and that there would only be given a limited period before their goods became forfeit.


And we can and will be sensitive to people in these situations. If some is oing to be on holiday, we can make arrangements around that. And if you start on a Friday - 9 days can span 2 whole weekends.
Blondin Linden
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04-21-2009 11:31
From: Argent Stonecutter
And if your property in SL "relies on adult content", but it's not a "business"?


Can you give me an example?
Matthew Dowd
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04-21-2009 11:32
From: Qie Niangao
There had better be. People who bought Mature Mainland with the expectation of being able to do Adult things with it when and if they want should automatically qualify for replacement land with the same ability for which they paid. LL is making some of their customers exactly that offer, so they're setting their own precedent. Hence, denying such a request by any other customer is a taking.


Morally (and I'm saying morally to avoid endless discussions over legal obligations and rights or lack thereof), LL should offer these land swaps to *all* mature mainland owners who wish to retain the current restrictions of the land they own or to *no-one*. Any selection will look like favouritism - particularly in the edge cases, which would not help LL maintain any reputation for professionalism to the RL companies LL so clearly wishes to attract.

Matthew
Blondin Linden
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04-21-2009 11:33
From: Argent Stonecutter
I have added an "Unanswered Questions" section to the Wiki page on Adult Content. It might be worthwhile adding your own unanswered questions there.



Can u link to it? I'd like to see it :-)
Matthew Dowd
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04-21-2009 11:35
From: Blondin Linden
Can you give me an example?


Based on previous indications that something overtly sexual and advertised in classifieds or events, then if someone decided to hold a swingers party in their SL home and wishes to advertise this in events then their home would need to be on Adult land.

Matthew
Brieanne Bomazi
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04-21-2009 11:37
From: Blondin Linden
Just got an email that I thought I'd pass along:

"Last night my alt started hearing rumors that because of the AO changes SL was doing massive grid wide age verifications and that residents were being instructed to go to an island and give up personal info like real names. drivers license numbers, passport numbers, and ssn. If they did not comply in a week their accounts would be banished to the kidgrid for good.

Just a headsup that there's possibly some organized phishing going on regarding AO stuff"

Has anyone encountered this? Be safe out there!



Let ME correct this. Yesterday, a group of us was at the new AV station, trying it out, and asked folks to come try it out as well. What stemmed from that, faced with LL's secrecy of the adult content changes, is, as always, rumors and BS. The requested listed information is in fact, some of the required documents for AV from the website. Now how this got turned around to...banished to the kid grid is nothing more than speculation from uninformed people. Why are they Uninformed? cause 90% of SL HAS NO CLUE WTH IS HAPPENING HERE. They don't know to check the forums, they are getting misguided info, and drama is being started simply cause LL hasn't set forth the new guidelines, and hasn't opened this to public scrutiny.
We want answers, we want to help shape the changes we can't control.
ANd all I, and i'm SURE numerous other people wanna know is.. WHEN AND HOW do i file a ticket to get my new land? I have a full sim, i want a full sim, not one divided by LL roads, or content.. and from looking at the map, Ursula 149 would suit me perfectly. I plan to do a 100% rebuild.. so why can't we simply get on with it?

~Brie
Blondin Linden
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04-21-2009 11:40
From: Matthew Dowd
Based on previous indications that something overtly sexual and advertised in classifieds or events, then if someone decided to hold a swingers party in their SL home and wishes to advertise this in events then their home would need to be on Adult land.

Matthew


If someone whats to have a swinger party and invite some friends, there is no problem with that. As long as they don't advertise it, who is going to know what is happening in their own home?
Phoenix Welles
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04-21-2009 11:43
From: Blondin Linden
If someone whats to have a swinger party and invite some friends, there is no problem with that. As long as they don't advertise it, who is going to know what is happening in their own home?


That seems to be the problem though, Blondin, from what I understand. somebody might not be running constant ads, but they might wish to list something in the events list once every so often. So people who want to have a party open to anybody once in a while, but otherwise uses the location as a private home are being told they will have to move for that occasional party with an open invite.
Hypatia Meili
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SUGGESTION - about the land speculation problem
04-21-2009 11:45
Allow those on mature land who do not officially completely qualify for the "Free Direct Land Swap" because they are not an "Advertised Public Adult Venue" but meet the other "Basic Requirements", swap land by buying it from LL at reasonable prices after the free land swap but before the completely open market and the land speculation rush.

This could be implemented in several ways.
. 1) let them pick a "swap" parcel but they need to buy it form LL and give them the same free tier break as fully qualified.
. 2) let them pick a parcel matching their existing one for free but charge them the tier.
. 3) let people chose either of the above options.
. ?) any other variant of this that will allow legit mature land owners to beat the speculators


Those that Almost Qualify NEED a chance to get in before the land barons.

LL Please do something to make this a little easier!
Argent Stonecutter
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04-21-2009 11:45
From: Blondin Linden
Just got an email that I thought I'd pass along:

"Last night my alt started hearing rumors that because of the AO changes SL was doing massive grid wide age verifications and that residents were being instructed to go to an island and give up personal info like real names. drivers license numbers, passport numbers, and ssn. If they did not comply in a week their accounts would be banished to the kidgrid for good.

Just a headsup that there's possibly some organized phishing going on regarding AO stuff"

Has anyone encountered this? Be safe out there!

THIS should be announced in the Blog and given a link from the login page.
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-21-2009 11:51
From: Blondin Linden
Can you give me an example?
Well, just for one possibility, let's say someone who does whatever it is that defines something as an "adult business", like simulated pixel-sex with strangers, or making prim naughty bits, but doesn't take money for it or advertise it in search.
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-21-2009 11:52
From: Blondin Linden
From: Argent Stonecutter
I have added an "Unanswered Questions" section to the Wiki page on Adult Content. It might be worthwhile adding your own unanswered questions there.
Can u link to it? I'd like to see it :-)
Same place it was the last few times I posted: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content :)
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04-21-2009 11:53
From: Blondin Linden
If someone whats to have a swinger party and invite some friends, there is no problem with that. As long as they don't advertise it, who is going to know what is happening in their own home?
So what constitutes advertising? Word of mouth?
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Ceejay Harvey
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04-21-2009 11:53
From: Blondin Linden
If someone whats to have a swinger party and invite some friends, there is no problem with that. As long as they don't advertise it, who is going to know what is happening in their own home?



so are you telling us that if we close down our current mainland to anyone not invited and on the access list (put up the red barriers, place security orbs etc) we can do what we like. sexual, violence, or both.


as a follow up question if someone Cams in and takes a picture and files an abuse report for adult content, then the owner of this mainland won't, face acount ban or loose there land.

Finally yes I know its only...supposed...to involve open access area's, but nothing has been .clearly...clearly defined.
Milla Janick
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04-21-2009 11:54
From: Blondin Linden
If someone whats to have a swinger party and invite some friends, there is no problem with that. As long as they don't advertise it, who is going to know what is happening in their own home?

What happens when someone files an AR for it?

In the past, the G-Team has suspended users over nonsense ARs. The incident at the Brooklyn Is Watching gallery where an artist was suspended after a piece of one of her works fell on a resident last year leaps to mind.

Residents who bought Mature land for mature uses would probably be more comfortable holding private gatherings on Adult rated land in the future.

I keep a little art gallery on my land. It's not advertised, but my place is open to anyone who comes along. There's nothing adult there now, but will I be able to put such works up there in the future without having to worry about being suspended because of a frivolous AR?

Basically, one issue is getting what we're paying tier for.
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Deltango Vale
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04-21-2009 11:59
From: Argent Stonecutter
THIS should be announced in the Blog and given a link from the login page.
Agree. This is a serious and unexpected consequence of the new policy. LL should act fast before it gets out of control.
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Hypatia Meili
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04-21-2009 12:00
From: Blondin Linden
Just got an email that I thought I'd pass along:

"Last night my alt started hearing rumors that because of the AO changes SL was doing massive grid wide age verifications and that residents were being instructed to go to an island and give up personal info like real names. drivers license numbers, passport numbers, and ssn. If they did not comply in a week their accounts would be banished to the kidgrid for good.

Just a headsup that there's possibly some organized phishing going on regarding AO stuff"

Has anyone encountered this? Be safe out there!


How about actually getting the word out that this going live and is no longer a verify beta test.

Or is LL going to suddenly turn it on and have how many people all at the same time either trying to verify or filing complaints tickets against it after it is already a fact.

Give people some time to adjust! Put it in the login notice! :
"Verification is going FULL live, You Will need to Verify in order to access ADULT Areas" etc etc.

Get the Facts out and it will squash rumors.
Shockwave Yareach
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04-21-2009 12:02
From: Milla Janick
What happens when someone files an AR for it?

In the past, the G-Team has suspended users over nonsense ARs. The incident at the Brooklyn Is Watching gallery where an artist was suspended after a piece of one of her works fell on a resident last year leaps to mind.


While I acknowledge there is much gray area and variation within the G team, I'm very suspect of this example you list. How, exactly, does a work of art "accidently fall" onto another person in an art gallery? Either it would have to be scripted to attack, be deliberately set physical at exactly the right time, or deliberately moved to strike with the Edit functions. A painting just falling on someone because a nail gave out does not happen in SL - that's not the way things work here. So in your example, I think there's a great deal your artist friend is not being upfront about.
Kira Welty
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04-21-2009 12:05
From: Argent Stonecutter
THIS should be announced in the Blog and given a link from the login page.


I agree

The less residents that know about the changes, the less residents filing tickets for the free move, the less residents 'judged' to be impacted by the change, the more LL stands to profit from all this.

Do you think they will be fair, open and honest to all residents in a highly visible way?
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Matthew Dowd
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04-21-2009 12:05
From: Blondin Linden
If someone whats to have a swinger party and invite some friends, there is no problem with that. As long as they don't advertise it, who is going to know what is happening in their own home?


But that wasn't the example I gave - the example I gave was someone who wanted to hold a swingers party in their own home AND advertise it in events!

Matthew
Milla Janick
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04-21-2009 12:06
From: Shockwave Yareach
While I acknowledge there is much gray area and variation within the G team, I'm very suspect of this example you list. How, exactly, does a work of art "accidently fall" onto another person in an art gallery? Either it would have to be scripted to attack, be deliberately set physical at exactly the right time, or deliberately moved to strike with the Edit functions. A painting just falling on someone because a nail gave out does not happen in SL - that's not the way things work here. So in your example, I think there's a great deal your artist friend is not being upfront about.

It was a scripted piece, and would occasionally fall apart and reassemble itself. There was no deliberate attacking involved.

The G-Team did eventually agree that the suspension was unwarranted, and cleared her record, but they did suspend her in the first place without thoroughly investigating the incident.
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