Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Fair point, but previous errors tend to accumulate in people's minds. At the moment, SL is the only robust virtual world on the market. If Linden Lab sells the server code (SL in a box) and competitors arise, you may find that three years of pent-up frustration result in a mass exodus of talented entrepreneurs. While content from those entrepreneurs may flow back into SL from other worlds, SL will become little more than a theme park living off an entrepreneurial engine based elsewhere. If that happens, SL will dwindle down to a pale version of EuroDisney. Maybe this is what LL wants. Maybe that's the money-pot. I don't know, but esthetically, it would be nobler to slit one's wrists.

My home. It is public, with a garden and a little stream, a sex driven menu in the bridge, ducks, butterflys and flowers. No walls.

I do like the open space, the view. I won't build walls around it. I won't make there non public.

Oh, and I have a teleporter from my store, in the same sim, right to the garden.

It is not a free sex place and I dont advert it, but it is open, people can enter there whenever they want and use the menued bridge if they want.

If a Linden goes there and say that I am not eligible to the swap, and later I am ARed for Adult Content in the new disneyland, will the Linden be suspended or myself?

the majority are still here because there is not yet a viable alternative, but the clock is ticking and there will be better, cheaper alternatives, and when they are here there will be an exodus from this bait and switch corporation.
actually this is the worst LL yet with adult segregation in an already adult world.
it's just anothe nail in LLs coffin.

Well I had assumed the people doing the approving since they were already reviewing things could just mark the appropriate applications as "approved for second wave paid move"

How silly of me!

umm.... well you could always limit it in size, this particular concern seem mostly centered on individual parcels not huge land tracts.

Good luck on getting an answer to your hypothetical question, despite being told here that each case for whether people qualify for a free move or not, being a case by case review, I've had no luck on getting a reply to my hypothetical examples, so I can have some idea about whether I need to AV and move to Ursula or not

For Hire: Club "Crier"

Person will advertise a sex-poseball business for me at my expense. Said ad will instruct customers to IM you to find out where the adult business is located, at which time you will give them a landmark to the business located on Mature land. You will also inform people of upcoming events, sales, and LL restrictions-of-the-day.

This puts my business safely outside LL's definition of Adult Business as all the ad does is refer you to an individual and not a storefront. I'm not even involved - I just pay someone else to answer questions for me. If you claim anyplace being promoted by a LM is a business, then everyplace in SL becomes a business and the distinction is useless. And the TOS does not prohibit people answering questions about businesses, such as where they are and what they offer.

Compensation includes weekly pay in Lindens, free use of the company boat and jet, and 2 free items from the store every week. Employee must be able to reply to IMs quickly for at least 6 hours a day, and reply to messages left within 24 hours.

Must be available to work on the 32nd of April for the launch of our new product line...

If there's demand, you'll make the land!

The problem with the land barons is at auction time for people who don't qualify for the labd swap, but want Adult rated land. Then casual resident who just wants a 1024 ends up stuck on the sidelines watching prices go Nautilus. It's irrelevant during the land swap.

On a tangent, instead of a fixed move-in period for everyone, how about 9-days, with options for extensions for residents who can't get moved in the alloted time for whatever reason?

We arent asking for the moon, we are asking for CONSIDERATION.

I agree that anyone that WANTS to move to Adult land should have an option for a free swap...BUT.....

For all us adult business owners... we have only 2 choices. Close our businesses.. which, in my case....is over 3 years old in SL....or move. No one asked my opinion. No one said.. Brie.. what do you think. Not to me, and not to the other hundreds of Adult Business owners. and content providers in SL.
Instead we get... *heres the plan, you all will love it, give us input*... while not listening to a damn thing we say. Asking for some courtesy is not asking for a lot. Asking for a little *customer appreciation* is not a lot.

Once all the established Adult business owners.. and by this i mean.. long term, like someone else said.. check land history.. and see how long *Joe Blows Free Fetish Emporium* has been the name of the land, if it was BEFORE this started, then they qualify. if not, they have to wait, get moved... again... starting with FULL SIMS, then 1/2, then 1/4.. let US figure out how to place ourselves, give US some credit here PLEASE....then open tickets up for anyone else that wants a clean swap, land for land. If you have any excess...the current tenants should have option first.. then sell it, auction it, whatever.

Again i'll say... where and when. # 149 looks good to me.

~Brie

How will all this affect XStreet? Would this be of advantage to LL in that businesses may leave the grid, where The Providers don't get a cut of the Quatloos, but may go to XStreet where they will? Or will XStreet be similarly gated and restricted? I've never used it so I don't know how it is setup.

I think you're asking the wrong question. You ask "do I need to AV and move to Ursula?".

Blondin's statement in post 3501 states, "If they want to advertise it, it will have to be on Adult rated land". So, if you can't rule out the possibility that you *might* some day want to advertise a public event on your land, then the only sensible conclusion is that yes, you do *need* to move to Ursula.

The real question that you need an answer to is whether or not you will be eligable for a "free" move or if you will have to pay a potentially exhorbanant amount in order to maintain the freedom you currently have at your current location because LL is changing the rules on you (which I will concede is their right if they wish, but that doesn't mean I agree with it)

Thanks for the reply as i was wondering and i can see where you are coming from now VAT is bad as well for those that have to pay it i agree, but we are an Adult business RL so have a VAT number, it really gave those outside of Europe an unfair advantage and most European players don't have a number to not be charged it by LL, but we can't blame LL for that.

The economy RL is not good and people are not spending as they used to and non essentials like entertainment for a lot are going, we even got laid off by Time Warner as sales to the magazines had dropped so much it was cheaper for them to move operations to South Africa, same as Adobe, moving all the UK Tech Support and CS to India. I am lucky i was working because i wanted to and not because i had to, now i can concentrate on the RL business as that is building nicely and we have other projects in the pipeline.

This whole episode is not good, but i am in the camp that i don't agree with it however LL has made the choice so I will try and minimize the impact to our group here and put forward suggestions in the hope that they are considered along with all the others I have spent a lot of money here over the years i have been here and to me it doesn't matter if someone is here 2 days or 6/7 years we are all in the same boat. LL as you know have done similar before and still the membership figures grow and continue as people leave and more join, to me its about adapting to the changes, whilst trying to put forward reasoned arguments. We have to accept that these changes will happen now thats for sure and to try and work together collectively to help each other as the changes go forward.

I do not think LL will get rid of Adult services totally, they may contain them as the grid and LL evolves, but i do believe LL is not totally stupid and realizes a lot of its income comes from Adult generated business and all the spin offs and i am happy to stay for now and ride the wave and see what happens in 12 months time but thats just me

You know, it would be very easy to have the same sort of "Black Box" compared to Xstreets "White box", but the entire website would be naughty stuff that LL doesn't want advertised. You can buy with paypal on the website, a message gets sent to the black box, and it delivers the merchandise to the user requested. And LL would be powerless to stop the ads on a website outside their system - just be certain not to use SL or Second Life in the site name so they can't snag you that way.

That's TWO ways now I've found to endrun LL's little pogram in less than 1 hour. I'm sure I can find more.

Yes we can. It was a deliberate policy decision to establish discriminatory pricing (passing on VAT instead of absorbing it - as they has been doing for some time). It not only hurt me personally (I lost access to Concierge support), but, in my opinion, it hurt SL as a whole.

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Additional Problem when converting an account to PIOF:
That is suppose to count isn't it?

The account status does not appear to be updating in world
meaning you can NOT get to ADULT land!
(Yes I have tried this on an alt)

Now the real problem comes if you do not have a PAID account.
I am hoping tickets for this count as "Manual age verification"
for basic account holders, otherwise NPIOF that aren't alts are in trouble.


PS Somebody update the Knowledge base with to include non Aristotle verification.

THis isn't what you said before, blondin. You said that strip clubs were "overtly sexual and therefore adult"

You said nothing about "ordinary strip clubs" versus the kind that had sex available in the champagne room!

One of the biggest argument *on* these forums was your definition of NUde beaches as "mature" and Strip clubs being "adult"!

When are we going to see an actual definition of "Adult" so we can stop the speculation and misinformation? Because if you don't know any better than *we* do what LL is doing, then that's all this Q&A is- misinformation masquerading as a "feedback process".

-V-

Adobe do the same thing charge high prices in Europe but the same product is far cheaper in the USA. I hate VAT but taxes are taxes and something like it or not we have to pay, why should any non European company have to adsorb the taxes charged by a EU country? but this was done to death at the time

Its our relevant country governments we should be lobbying to reduce VAT etc. we pay 19% here in Holland you UK lot got a reduction didn't you and back to the topic in hand

I'm PIOF and I am not able to access Ursula and using the LL AV tester I am not registered as AV

PIOF for over 2 years not just recently added I might add

Well then they either need to fix that or tell us its Aristotle or PAY.

Come one LL get your act together.
Give us the rules at least and follow what you tell us!


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Wrong test?
PIOF works at the Arapaima?

Ursula is not opened to visit. But Arapaima (the infohub for Ursula) is, and one of my alts is PIOF (not PIU) and could go there yesterday and today, but friends that are not PIOF or verified could not

As well they should. There's no reason they should be stuck with Mature Mainland either, if they want to swap for Ursula. They, too, bought in good faith whatever they currently hold on the Mainland, and LL is now making only the new continent correspond to the terms and conditions under which they made their investments (modulo the encumbrance of restricted access).

They absolutely should be allowed to trade, as should everyone else.

Ursula is not open yet. no one except lindens and moles have access.
Look up *I-World*. there is an AV station there.. i am sure someone could provide you with a LM if needed. PIOF, PIU are NOT the same as AV. As a point of fact, Couldbe, Kara, Deltango and myself were there yesterday. I had to redo my AV, but once i relogged, i could access it. I brought my alts in... and even the PIOF couldn't. seems this needs as much work as everything else.

~Brie

Yes, that is my point (sorry if in my poor English it wasn't clear). It seems that soon I will have to advertise my garden as "free sex area" and put there a poster saying "Everybody is invited to be naked here", just to be sure.

Let them go last tho! I don't have a problem with that.

There's no flag to flip that says "this land is not really mature". If you walk around with your family jewels hanging out in an M sim, currently, you won't be treated as being in violation of the ToS, will you?

A Mature sim is a Mature sim.

Read the article. I believe there is a very good business reason to do it. No one has yet provided a commercial counterargument.