Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

No, what I'm saying is move all PG land to a new continent and leave existing M land as M land, instead of changing "M" to "PG-Lite". People who are currently stating as a matter of policy they don't allow non-PG activity on their land would continue to be able to do so.

Being a Land Baron isn't against the TOS.

Blondin: all land on Mainland is to some extent or other "open to the public", even if it's on a skybox at 4000 meters. There is no Linden-supported mechanism for people to protect their skyboxes at 4000 meters from access in any case, and content at ground level is publicly visible even if it's surrounded by useless ban lines. So what does "open it up for the public" mean? What does advertising mean? What if they're living above the shop, so the parcel is listed in search, but NOT as an adult parcel... but as a store selling fluffy bunnies and cute kitten pictures around the parcel landing point at ground level. Is it OK for someone to have an orgy 4000 meters above that?

PS: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-205 would solve a lot more of the "adult content" problems than Ursula ever would.

From the automated reply email when I submitted a ticket to get my PIOF account verified since it seems to be refusing to update. Any one see another option to submit under for non premium accounts.

Particularly in light of the following


I still seems to me this could effectively still be Aristotle or paid, or at a least alt of paid.

Fluffy bunny deffinitely is Adult Content


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Wait: isn't "manual account verification" what one has to do for a suspension for suspicion of being underage? Won't work? (I got the standard Aristotle form when I tried it with my unverified Basic PIU alt, although I didn't want to submit so maybe it doesn't really work??)

If my questions lately haven't seemed overly thoughtful lately, it's because LL so frequently ignores them or blows them off with, TBH, BS responses.

If you really want to stop getting crap from residents, stop treating us like crap.

This is what annoys me about LL's lack of comment on estate land, they should be keeping their paws off estate land, if you're breaking community standards then fine but let estate owners manage estate land, the knock on effect of estate land losing tenants due to a sim either going adult and losing non verifieds or not going adult and losing adult business has not once been taken seriously by LL, which exemplifies their lack of knowledge of inworld business.

As for VAT, complain to your government and the EU, it's those with their snouts in the trough who won't acknowledge that the legilsation they imposed to give European business a level playing field in Europe, that creates exactly the situation the legislation was introduced to avoid, that is the problem.

Greedy gravy train politicians and bureaucrats are to blame for VAT.

"those most impacted"... Leaving aside for now the use of "impacted" as a verb (What are we, *molars*? ) This is a non-statement.

Those *most* affected by this change will be:

#1 Those with NPIOF accounts.
#2 Anyone who sells to those with NPIOF accounts
#3 Those who simply want the option to do *anything they like* on *land that they own*.

People who run businesses or have builds that are considered "adult content" (whoever they are, because we don't know yet) would be the *fourth* "most affected" by this new policy, although most of them are already in category #2.

Now if you mean to say "Those who will be most profoundly affected monetarily" Then that would be All the people who sell to NPIOF accounts, Including those those businesses that provide "adult" goods and services, Followed by those Adult businesses that *don't* sell to NPIOF customers.


My point is this. there are *many* more people who will be profoundly affected by these changes than LL thinks. From the most down and dirty, most disturbing and weird sexual venues, all the way to people who don't have a kinky bone in their bodies, but opt for the greatest freedom whenever possible, LL is creating a situation where they are fundamentally changing not only "the rules of the game", but also the very nature of a product that was sold under *different terms and conditions*.

to put it in "software speak" It is as if, tomorrow, A software company who makes a program exclusively for windows, and offers lifetime updates as part of the purchase price, then arbitrarily decides to write software exclusively for Apple instead, and completely cuts off any support to the windows users to whom they sold "lifetime support".

Would the windows users then be entitled to their money back? I think they would. The company has arbitrarily decided to change the very nature of a product they *paid* for, and rendered it useless to them. Just as if they had reached out and turned a lawnmower into coffee table.

LL really ought to suck it up and realized that they are turning the world topsy-Torley here, and that it changes completely the terms of the business relationship that they have with *all* of their customers. LL is, quite literally, offering a completely different product for sale that they are currently selling. *All* residents should be made aware of these changes, and have an opportunity to re-define their participation according to the new paradigm.
Why? Because it's the right thing to do, and because under the terms that your customers purchased their land under, it is what they have a right to expect. If you are changing what is possible, the you own it to your customers to *tell* them, and to offer them an opportunity to re-define *their* position as well.

Swapping the land that no longer suits their needs for land that still retains all of the fundamental qualities that they purchased is what a responsible company would do.

Actually a responsible company wouldn't do it in the first place. If they wished to further segregate PG and Mature land and weed out the unverified, They would place a moratorium on new, unverified accounts, Construct a place for people who *don't* want all the options, and offer *them* a swap to a place where they can have the experience *they* want.
Or, they would simply tell the offended people "Suck it up, cupcake. the world is what it is, and you bought that plot next door to a mature sim all by yourself. What did you think would happen on "anything goes" land? A bake sale? If you don't like it, move."

Eventually, there would be a fairly sharp separation of PG and Mature, and Eventually, unverified accounts would die out as the bots are discovered and banned, and the griefers get booted, the only unverifieds left would be the "leave me alone" libertarians.

Heck, even they would eventually go verified, because their unverfied accounts would become a valuable commodity worth money to those who want a disposable alt to make a statement or something. They'd create a new, verified alt, take the money and run. I know *I* would

-V-

Well, if that's what happens, then be prepared for extreme pornification- There are a lot of people out there that want the option to do *anything* on land they own. That's why they bought land with a "mature" rating. Because the "mature" end of an "Adults only" environment is "anything goes". LL sold it as such. if they are changing it, then the folks who are in the "adult" category *should* be a self-selecting group.

I think that the definition was done ages ago- when they first posted it on the wiki. I think what is happening is that LL didn't get the reaction it thought it would get. Rather than landowners trying to come in *under* the radar- cleaning up their act so that they didn't get sent to the new ghetto, the residents in the forums said "okay, but you better send *me* too, because I bought "anything goes" and I mean to *keep* "anything goes"!

Since LL has about 1250 CPUs available from canceled open-space sims, they have to limit Ursula's size to what they can do without having to buy new hardware.

LL is currently trying to narrow the definition of "adult" to *exclude* as many residents as possible, aren't they?

-V-

not switching platforms, but did anybody else switch from winzip when they pulled the stunt of making users who had bought 'lifetime licenses' suddenly have to purchase every new version?

I did, I now use winrar, which promised me free upgrades, and supports more formats to boot

"consumers are such mercenaries"

Well PIOF is suppose to count now as verified.
But the account still say NPIOF in world.
I want my PIOF(on the account page) to say PIOF not NPIOF in world.
I see no way for a PIOF or NPIOF to submit a ticket about this.

You have to click one of the preset categories.
We need a new ticket drop category for basic accounts
"I verified but it is not working in world"

This is completely unacceptable. That LL is changing the fundamental nature of their product (Three rating categories rather than two, limiting access by *some* accounts to *some areas*, and Assumption of the presence of children rather than presumption of a completely adult population) is bad enough. That they are doing so without notifying *all* the residents in the most effective way possible (via a message at Log-in) borders on fraud.

You are *changing* the product we have purchased *after* you have our money. That requires a little more effort on LL's part than a couple of voice-chat parties and a one-linden customer relations department /Help-line!

I am appalled by this cavalier attitude- This inablilty of LL to see the sheer *scope* of what they are doing!

This isn't simply a case of "I want my porn, so I'm arguing to keep it". I could care less about it, frankly. I could also care less about whether you require verified accounts or not.
What I care about is *fairness*, and keeping your god-damned *word*.
LL sold something as one thing, and is fundamentally changing it to the point that it will be useless to some people who have paid them for it.

Does that mean *nothing* to you people? Has the company changed so much that they have lost sight of the fact that Second life is *made by the residents*, not Linden Labs.

Linden Labs provides the platform, the residents supply the content. They forget that at their peril.

-V-

I really wish this forum had a thank you and agree button right now.

THIRD TIME to ask this... something of an answer would be appreciated.

On SLX if you want to look at 'mature/adult' items.. you get this...

WARNING/DISCLAIMER

You are about to be redirected to Xstreet SL Uncensored.

The adult content within this site is intended for ADULTS ONLY (18 years of age or older). If you are not of legal age or do not wish to view materials of a sexually-explicit nature or you are offended by transgender images or topics, then please click CANCEL now. If you continue on to view any adult content within this website, you are stating the following:

1. I am an adult over the age of 18 years.

2. I will not allow anyone under the legal age, stated in 1. above, to access any of materials labeled Mature.

3. I am viewing mature content of this site willingly and I understand that by doing so I will be exposed to materials of a sexually-explicit nature.

(ENTER/CANCEL)

and it's not 'sticky'.. every time you go to SLX you have to do that if you want to enable mature items..

Now... on the MAINLAND here you could fly from one sim to another so the controls would be necessary, However for a PRIVATE SIM... you have to GO THERE... you can't just 'fly in'... so... explain to me in simple terms WHY IF YOU TRY TO TP TO AN "ADULT, NON-MAINLAND SIM" the viewer can't....

WARNING/DISCLAIMER

You are about to be enter a region that has been declared ADULT.

The adult content within this region is intended for ADULTS ONLY (18 years of age or older). If you are not of legal age or do not wish to view materials of a sexually-explicit nature or you are offended by transgender images or topics, then please click CANCEL now and your teleport will be canceled and you will be returned to your starting point. If you continue on to view any adult content within this region, you are stating the following:

1. I am an adult over the age of 18 years.

2. I will not allow anyone under the legal age, stated in 1. above, to access any of materials labeled Mature.

3. I am viewing mature content of this sim willingly and I understand that by doing so I will be exposed to materials of a sexually-explicit nature.

(ENTER/CANCEL)

ENTER = complete TP in
CANCEL = cancel TP and stay where you were.

Please, TELL ME WHY THAT WON'T WORK.. IF IT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR SLX (which has been stated will not be changing) WHY ISN'T THAT SUFFICIENT FOR IN-WORLD.

Please, a simple straight answer... and 'well people can lie' ISN'T A GOOD ANSWER.. Junior can put in Dad's Credit Card info for PIOF....

Make that one of the 8 questions for today...

SLX is not whre LL wants the Corporate Suits to put their logos, so they don't care about the naughty things for sale there.

Thank you!

Affected = changed (those affected by the policy are unhappy)

Affected = pretended (she affected humor when she was actually depressed)

Effected = brought about (rising water levels effected erosion in the riverbank)

Impacted = the state of a collection of things crowded into a too-small space

Impact = high-energy collision

So let me see if I've got this right..

* all landowners on the mainland have to decide if they are impacted by the proposed adult definitions and if they want to move.

* if they are, then they lodge a support ticket with ll ~giving the reasons why they think they're affected~

* then, ll will review the land and make a decision.

* eventually they'll tell you if you pass the smut test and you're asked for you land choices

* then the fun begins.


I suspect the review will consist of them checking the parcel description and checking any ads you place.

so you probably only need to spend 80l a week on the parcel and minimum ad to qualify and possibly put a couple of plywood boxes out named "horny chick ***" and make them show in search.

My neigbours are going to hate being next to a snow bunnies free sex barn, but that's life on the mainland I suppose.

Can we talk about some basic principles for a few minutes? Because I think that, in all the debate, we've lost sight of a few very significant facts.

First: Human beings are animals. We have, programmed into us, certain characteristics. These characteristics are there for a reason – they promote survival. Among those characteristics are our sexual nature, and our propensity for violence. If you think for just a moment, it should be obvious why we are built like this. Violence, applied at the right time, ensures the survival of the individual. It puts food on the table. It protects the family. And our strong sex drive ensures the creation of families, the survival of the species.

So. Sex and violence are innate parts of our human nature.

Second: Societies put limits on these two drives. A man may not have any and every woman he chooses. A woman may not have sex indiscriminately. There are good reasons for these rules. The prevention of unwanted children. An orderly society, which also promotes survival, both of individuals and of the larger group. Indiscriminate violence is also prohibited, and for much the same reasons.

Along with the limitations, though, a great deal of moral baggage has grown up around these very right and proper and necessary ideas, most especially in the area of sex. Sex has become something to be ashamed of and hidden away. Variations in sexual preferences are despised and hated. “Blue laws” are enacted by overly righteous people, usually, I think, because they are jealous of the fun that some of their neighbors are having.

Now: Along comes Second Life, a new and pristine world. The creators give the residents free rein, saying, “Your World, Your Imagination”, and then sit back to see what happens. It's a grand social experiment, and a chance for people to start fresh, with few of the restrictions imposed by the past.

Moreover, this new world has some important differences from the real, physical world. For the purposes of this discussion, the most important difference is the lack of consequences. Indiscriminate sex does not result in unwanted children in SL. It does not spread disease. SL “escorts” are not enslaved to pimps who exploit them and get them hooked on drugs.

Violence, too, is made free of negative consequences. The victims of violence in SL can't die! They can't actually be hurt at all. It is cartoon violence, the violence of the Road Runner and the Coyote. At the end of the day, murderer and victim go off arm in arm for a beer.

I am astonished that, given this, anyone is surprised when SL turns out to be a world full of sex and violence. It is only the result of people expressing their basic human nature, within the structure of the virtual world. Because of the lack of negative consequences, sex and violence can be given free rein here.

And here is the most important point: It is not necessary to suppress sex and violence, not in SL, or any other virtual world. Because the reasons which make it desirable to restrain these basic human drives in Real Life, the negative consequences, don't exist here at all. There's no need to carry all that extra moral baggage with you into SL. Trying to apply familiar real world standards to SL is foolish. It is an attempt to go against basic human nature, with no positive gain at the end of the day.

In bowing to a few people who forgot to think things through and simply fell back on “what all right-thinking people know”, Linden Lab has violated the basic principles on which SL was founded and became a success. They're going against human nature, and the result will be a world that is less satisfactory to most of its residents. More “predictable”, maybe – but less human, less creative, less free. And, inevitably, less fun.

Update:
submitting a ticket under "manual Verification" but with out submitting the requested info seems to have fix this, it could how ever be coincidental timing. I not have received any replies but the account is now PIOF and was able to get to Arapaima after relogging.


In any case the ticket submission on this and the knowledge base need to be updated.
Trial and error is not acceptable.

Very good, well-thought-out post, Lindal.

As we all keep saying, there is no real onus for this action, other than LL themselves deeming it necessary, probably because the people behind it are part of the REAL problem that you indicate here.

This is nothing more than a solution looking for a problem. Well, in that regard, it will generate plenty of problems, to be sure.

The only question is what poor souls will be left when said resultant problems come home to roost.

Tp paraphrase Ronald Reagan, LL does not have the solution to the problem, LL IS the problem.

/me stands and claps.

Good job Lindal!

Bravo! Now we are getting to the heart of the matter.

Now the fun part will be to get LL to "solve themselves".

Such a conundrum...