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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Qie Niangao
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04-22-2009 05:54
From: Argent Stonecutter
I have started transferring Blondin Linden's "8 answers" posts to the Wiki for archival purposes. I keep getting "session timeouts". I would appreciate it if someone could take on the task.

https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content
When you get a chance, Argent, please check if I've done what you'd have expected with that.
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04-22-2009 05:56
and of course those brownbags still don't have text transcripts

around the 21minute mark of the merchants made me laugh and growl. i haven't gone any further yet as it is just a timewaster
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Valerius Constantine
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04-22-2009 06:00
From: Monalisa Robbiani
IMHO mature is even more worthless than PG:

If I want land for the sexxors I buy something on the adult continent. If I don't want that stuff, I buy PG land. Why bother with mature.


Because now, on PG land, you can be AR'd for holding a pixillating *BEER*, that's why.

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Qie Niangao
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04-22-2009 06:05
From: Valerius Constantine
Because now, on PG land, you can be AR'd for holding a pixillating *BEER*, that's why.
Oh crap: I guess I better quit smoking at Linden office hours.
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04-22-2009 06:06
From: Qie Niangao
When you get a chance, Argent, please check if I've done what you'd have expected with that.
I put a blank line before the "ANSWER:" part because otherwise it runs them together with the question.
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04-22-2009 06:18
From: Qie Niangao
Oh crap: I guess I better quit smoking at Linden office hours.


and no Farting, belching, swearing or scratching your private parts either lol
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Brenda Connolly
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04-22-2009 06:21
From: Brieanne Bomazi
Let me correct a few points here.

1. You DID NOT ANNOUNCE THIS. You posted a forum post, and about 1/8 of the SL residents have seen it. There have been nothing on the log-in screen, no in-world announcements, NOTHING. SO get that fact straight.
2. You have had Blondin, who has done very little to show He is paying attention, gives half assed answers, ignores the most pertinent questions, and give us lip service which amounts to nothing more than smoke up everyone's ass.
3. There were no *required polls*... If you guys REALLY gave 2 shits about your residents... EVERY single AVIE logging into the grid would have been FORCED to take a 3 minute survey about what areas of the grid they prefer, Mature/PG, and given an option to provide further feedback. This would have shown you that the 2-4% is really more like 90%.

LL has again shown a blatant disregard for its residents, its land tier paying members, a sheer lack of customer appreciation, and regard for no one but itself.



I said the same thing when I read the post. Announced my ass! Most people still don't know what is going to hit them.

Looking at that picture I stil ask...................Why are you themeing Ursula. You are forcing people to move as it is. Shouldn't the continent be a blank to let the residents theme their areas? Or do you want even the Adult areas to look like fucking Disneyland?

I don't own a business, create content or even spend that much time in SL. But when I do I enjoy the freedom and wide range of creativity out there. And I am actually surprised that I am getting as worked up as I am over this whole affair. Maybe it's because I'm becoming a bot activist in RL in my old age and am tired of seeing government run roughshod over people, and am now seeing it in the one place I came to escape RL's perils and pitfalls.

This plan is INSANE. It's being dome for the wrong reason, to cater to a group who aren't even in SL to a large degree, and is being implemented in such a ham fisted, closed minded and arroagant way. LL is acting just like the government. We're doing it, we're not going to tell you much about why or how, and frankly we don't care about your opinion anyway.

I stopped being a premium member a year ago. I gave up my Estate parcel that I paid about $40 a month for. I throttled down my Lindex purchases from an average of 30-50K lindens a month to 0-5K a month. I was starting to become more interested in SL right before this started, going premium again and getting a decent sized plot of mainland. I was looking at new computers to enjoy SL to it's fullest. But that's been brought to a halt.

This whole mess has pretty much soured me, not on SL as much as on LL as a company that I wish to do business with. While I can understand their wanting to take some steps on the classifying and managing cotent so people aren't assaulted by stuff they don't want to see, but the manner in which it is being done is absolutely disguisting and shameful.

I don't plan on giving up SL totally, at least no right now. I am buying 10K L today, and that will be it. I will never give LL another cent directly. Those lindens in my account are all I will have to spend from this point on. When they are gone, there will be one less consumer in SL.If there are legitimate 3rd party ways to buy lindens that don't involve LL in any way, fine, If not....*shrugs*. I have enough stuff to keep me happy.
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04-22-2009 06:23
From: Brenda Connolly
Shouldn't the continent be a blank to let the residents theme their areas? Or do you want even the Adult areas to look like fucking Disneyland?


Tsk Tsk.. Language Brenda..

/me wags a finger

you know that adult speak isn't welcome here anymore.
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-22-2009 06:24
From: FAQ
Is this something that Second Life users have asked for?

Yes. Numerous Residents, ranging from adult-content vendors to educators, have requested that we provide additional tools to enable them to tailor their inworld experiences and make them more predictable.
Why do you keep trotting this out? We want you to fix bugs and stop region crossing crashes and head-up-the-butt and my-avatar-is-black and my-avatar-is-painted-with-sky and my-attachments-disappeared. That doesn't mean we want to watch friends vanish because they got banned when someone with a bug up their behind accidentally teleported into their bedroom.

So: I find it hard to trust this statement. How many users complained about jugs of "Toonshine" in Lusk?
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KT Syakumi
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04-22-2009 06:24
Can you imagine what the adult sim will be like? Every lag inducing, ott badly scripted sex device, club lighting, contest boards etc etc tec - you'll have to be sitting on the server at Linden HQ to move at all.

If I were a commercial sim owner I'd be VERY worried. Say a sim has 2 clubs and a whole lot of shops. To keep the clubs with their dance poles etc in the sim, it has to be flagged as adult. But to do that will restrict the customers of the shops to only age verified premium accounts. And that probably reduces their customer base by half. or more. So do you leave as mature or pg and lose the clubs, or do you go adult and have the shops move out? Either way, the Sim owner is the loser. If you think about it, this is another hit to landlords and sim owners. Potentially a big one.
Couldbe Yue
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04-22-2009 06:26
From: KT Syakumi
Can you imagine what the adult sim will be like? Every lag inducing, ott badly scripted sex device, club lighting, contest boards etc etc tec - you'll have to be sitting on the server at Linden HQ to move at all.

If I were a commercial sim owner I'd be VERY worried. Say a sim has 2 clubs and a whole lot of shops. To keep the clubs with their dance poles etc in the sim, it has to be flagged as asult. But to do that will restrict the customers of the shops to only age verified premium accounts. And that probably reduces their customer base by half. or more. So do you leave as mature or pg and lose the clubs, or do you go pg and have the shops move out? Either way, the Sim owner is the loser. If you think about it, this is another hit to landlords and sim owners. Potentially a big one.



don't be, they're bringing in script limitations too it seems..

if one doesn't put us out of business the other probably will
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Milla Janick
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04-22-2009 06:27
From: Brenda Connolly
Or do you want even the Adult areas to look like fucking Disneyland?

That's what it's supposed to be, isn't it?

Wait until you see the NC-17 version of "Mr. Toad's Wild Ride".
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-22-2009 06:27
From: FAQ
However, for Residents who have moved from the Mainland to the Adult continent during the two-week priority move, we will leave their old parcel untenanted for at least 30 days, and they may leave a landmark giver to their new location.
This sounds like you're planning on having EVERYONE move over a single two-week period.

:eek:

I mean.

:eek:

And also.

:eek:
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Couldbe Yue
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04-22-2009 06:38
From: Argent Stonecutter
This sounds like you're planning on having EVERYONE move over a single two-week period.

:eek:

I mean.

:eek:

And also.

:eek:


that has always been their intention. They open up ursula on day 1 for business and you have 9 days. well, 4 if you have a day job. FFS I just about got my last shop set up (and that's only 1/3 sim) in 4 days and i didn't have to take anything down.

caring and sharing..

from the merchant brownbag...

This is Ken Linden (I think)

19:30 "we don't want to see adult business failing.. we're all in the same boat"

20:20 "we want this to proceed.. we're not going to sacrifice efficiency to that (the timetable for implementation).. we want to limit the pain, infact there is no pain.. and make sure we can understand how we can mitigate any short term disruption that will occur."
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04-22-2009 06:50
From: Couldbe Yue
that has always been their intention. They open up ursula on day 1 for business and you have 9 days. well, 4 if you have a day job. FFS I just about got my last shop set up (and that's only 1/3 sim) in 4 days and i didn't have to take anything down.
Giving EACH PERSON a separate 9 day period to move is not the same as having EVERY PERSON moved in the same two weeks.
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Bhakta Thor
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damn customers.
04-22-2009 06:53
From: KT Syakumi
If you think about it, this is another hit to landlords and sim owners. Potentially a big one.


I hope Linden sees that this many unhappy customers will hurt their business. Where I live Comcast gave people a long time to grow to hate them before Fios came. I think they are at times actually lining up outside of Comcast now to return their equipment since Fios is now available.

I think Verizon will take a similar hit for putting so many restrictions on their phone technologies.

So, screwing the customer is an accepted way of doing business in the short term so that the CEO can retire at an early age.

My guess is that there are lot of retired GM CEOs shaking their heads now somewhere in the south of France over the plight of all the lazy GM workers (there has to be an acceptable scape goat). I would probably do the same thing. I hate being the underdog.

BT
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04-22-2009 06:55
From: Argent Stonecutter
Giving EACH PERSON a separate 9 day period to move is not the same as having EVERY PERSON moved in the same two weeks.


they never implied that at all. I've always read it as the great land rush. Which is one of the reasons I'm seriously unhappy.. 3 shops, a house, a couple of workshops and a beach to pack up and 2 shops to re-establish.
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04-22-2009 06:57
From: Argent Stonecutter
Why do you keep trotting this out? We want you to fix bugs and stop region crossing crashes and head-up-the-butt and my-avatar-is-black and my-avatar-is-painted-with-sky and my-attachments-disappeared. That doesn't mean we want to watch friends vanish because they got banned when someone with a bug up their behind accidentally teleported into their bedroom.

So: I find it hard to trust this statement. How many users complained about jugs of "Toonshine" in Lusk?


This. The existing tools are fine, IF THEY WOULD WORK PROPERLY!!! And if you guys would consistently enforce your existing guidelines. But instead it's the usual too lazy /incompetent to fix things, so make the customers bear the burden. It's the same story over and over.

Who are these people that are requesting this? Is there an SL Illuminati?

A more predictable experience means we want SL to work like it is intended, that we aren't getting "Don't buy or rez" messages constantly, that we can buy land without being scammed, that people can't cause mayhem unpunished by virtue of throwawy alts......that SL is an enjoyable experience and not a cause for head banging and fist shaking.
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04-22-2009 06:59
From: Couldbe Yue
they never implied that at all. I've always read it as the great land rush. Which is one of the reasons I'm seriously unhappy.. 3 shops, a house, a couple of workshops and a beach to pack up and 2 shops to re-establish.
Since that means SL will be unavailable for a two week period I guess they'll give everyone else a two week rebate on tier. No? What do you mean "crazy talk"?
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04-22-2009 07:05
From: Argent Stonecutter
Since that means SL will be unavailable for a two week period I guess they'll give everyone else a two week rebate on tier. No? What do you mean "crazy talk"?



lol but they are doing all they can to mitigate the pain by allowing us to leave a LM giver on our old land until the end of the month.. aren't they generous?
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Test Station Revisited
04-22-2009 07:05
About a year ago (maybe more), I tried to verify with Aristotle. It didn't work. Today, I tried again - and it worked. So, I returned to the Test Station.



A few days ago, when I tried to get through the barrier with only PIU (and I think you will agree that US$6,000+ in payments to Linden Lab over the past three years constitutes PIU), I was rejected as 'unverified'. Today, having registered with Aristotle, I am accepted.

Therefore, the Test Station requires either Aristotle alone OR (PIU AND Aristotle). This runs counter to my expectations, which were Aristotle OR PIU.
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04-22-2009 07:13
according to the merchants brownbag, only 2% of people who make purchases have no payment info.. (47:00)

I find this unbelievable. XSL it may be around 2% but inworld it is much higher than that.
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Brenda Connolly
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04-22-2009 07:15
From: Couldbe Yue
according to the merchants brownbag, only 2% of people who make purchases have no payment info.. (47:00)

I find this unbelievable. XSL it may be around 2% but inworld it is much higher than that.


Is 2%-4% a TAO mandated response? Do they tell knew Lindens to use that answer for any statistical question?
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04-22-2009 07:16
From: Couldbe Yue
Tsk Tsk.. Language Brenda..

/me wags a finger

you know that adult speak isn't welcome here anymore.


Never mind your finger. What's that in your other hand?
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04-22-2009 07:18
From: Deltango Vale
Therefore, the Test Station requires either Aristotle alone OR (PIU AND Aristotle). This runs counter to my expectations, which were Aristotle OR PIU.

That's a test station for the Aristotle Age Verification system, so PIOF or PIU shouldn't work.

Being able to go to the Arapaima Safe Hub should be a test of account verification via PIOF or PIU.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Arapaima/131/170/22
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