Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

I don't need to offer any suggestions. I agree with the suggestions Linden Lab has already made. The one minor suggestion I did give is that they make the rules very clear and enforce them. That's it.

If that is all you did, people would not be upset, they would discuss, but you did a lot more,

You attacked people who did not agree with you.

Made racist comments.

Insulted people

and now claim to represent me and every other native.!!!

Shoot Nany, people don't even have to put that much effort in it. Read my posts I say it flat out. I do fetish animations. I like sex. Take a few minutes to catch your breath.

Now back to the subjects at hand:

It would help if you would specify this forum, is it a SL event or something happening in RL?

You claim you are affiliate with organisations.. who are they.. oh shoot, let me just repost my last so you can read it again and answer it, or just state flat out you have been punked.



Anything other than responding to the questions presented I will go ahead and accept as your admission of being punked.

Actually, I'd love one. Nothing would please me more than to know I could walk freely amongst a prude-free population. I have advocated a variety of ways the Lindens could do it without damaging my time and energy investment in my builds and business interests. My issues are:
- The labor and expense involved in the move which needs to be addressed by the Lindens however they decide to execute this.
- That *I* Am Adult Content and I don't want anyone who is not prepared or interested in the adult themes my AV explores in SLto even know I exist. I'd like it if they simply can't see me or anything I make at all in any form. I'd like my content to simply vanish if rez'd off the Adult sim because I don't want the AR risk if they search my name.
- That LL simply use Opt-In or even a Double-Opt-In to the account-holder's email rather than the "Adult Verification" mechanisms which are all are fraught with privacy and international problems. They are unacceptable, unnecessary and actually have the effect of jeopardizing LL's business as it makes them the content police and, therefore, liable.

Bluntly, I'd suggest anyone who has any adult component to their activities in SL move to the Adult sim, remove all their content from other continents and never set foot in them again for fear of being AR'd for a profile pick or visible group membership. Honestly, I'd be happy living only among the 2-4%.

That there won't actually be any content after that happens will just be something I get to chuckle to myself about.

- Kyle

Samatha, excellent points.

Nude pictures could be artistic expression.
Sexual orientation information could be educational. Unless your talking about classes on how to be a good sub or dom; then that would be of a sexual nature
Sexual education; again it depends on the class.

Cat

Well sub and dom has nothing to do with sex, any more than being husband and wife does so why pick on that??

Do we make weddings on ls between two women adult ??

Thanks Kyle I see your points.

I am not picking on anything; I am honestly just trying to form my own opinions of what I feel is adult content. Obviously now you know I think that sub and dom relationships fall under the adult category. Shrugs I don't know what to say to that other than I find it stimulating in a sexual way. Therefore in my mind it falls under adult content. It is what it is.

Cat

There are so many gray areas and problems in this! A few:
--"in the privacy of your own home" - is it my home if I rent it for a week? a day? an hour?
--what if my home is not locked and others use it? am I in trouble? are they?
there are way to many ban lines now! Is LL mandating that we block ppl from using our land if we have a sex bed?
--is the owner of a sexual animation pose ball at falut for having it out, or the person who might use it?
--Who will police this? Certainly not LL, they can not even police such a simple thing as rotating for sale signs! The inevitable self appointed morality police? Who protects us and LL from their harassment?
--Many clubs have a place in a corner of the land, or high above to take the kind of sexual behavior that is not allowed in the club itself. Is that now illegal? Even if it has a security field?
--We have an alley next to the club, and some sex toys and "beds" in the woods near by, the thrill of those places is that they are outside, a little risky and naughty. That is simply not possible on an anything goes sex continent.

your estimated % of places that will be effected is very low, many places will be effected in part, and those parts can not work if seperated (a Mature or even PG club with seperate Adult areas for example).

I really hope LL sees how many of us are suggesting this type of arrangement.

The idea of "verification" has never been a success. Worse it has been shown the 3rd party was not even .. ummm.... acceptable to perform this function.

LL will cover their collective rears with the simple, "I am 18 and want to see it" or "I am not over 18 or would be offended" checkbox at registration.

It will be worth the hoops (provided they don't kill the economy) when they implement this and create the vast euro-disney wasteland of No-Naughty Continent

Patasha

LMAO Read my post i said walking through the red light area and you owe me for one keyboard covered in coffee. Thanks for the laugh you are entertaining to say the least

Actually, people attacked me, made racist comments against me and insulted me for supporting Linden Lab's proposal.

Yep, until someone else is willing and able, I am the one publicly representing all the tribes in virual worlds on every issue that has anything to do with Native Americans. I think we will have some people coming in soon, tho : )

: )

LET ME BE PERFECTLY CLEAR,

You DO NOT represent me, you DO NOT represent the hawaiian people!!!

Please provide one tribal organization that has appointed you as their official spokesperson.

If one has, represent them, but do not try to claim you represent all native people.

If not, STOP claiming you represent us!!!

I think there is no hope for some people lol its a shame when some are so narrow minded and not accepting of other cultures etc. exactly the sort of thing that i thought she was trying to stop with bringing her culture to SL and teaching understanding.

ah well go figure

BULL DOOKY! lol.

Um Wha?

Greenknight Kaul applaudse and throws roses. Yeah let the biggots have thier land. Let the Lindens realize not everyone fits into a box. yay.

So when do we get to whine and bitch about the people that come into our sims and harass us with their vanilla look and attitude like we supposedly do to them.

Hey Lord,

Bringing our culture to SL, is really no different that anyone else bringing their's. I mean there's French culture in SL, whether is it representative of traditional aspects of the French experience can be debated. Same for Native People's of any origin in SL.. be they American Indian, Celtic, Saxon, Greek, etc... No one can claim to speak for any ethnicity.

This is specifically true of a group whose origins span an entire continent, who at present are made up of over 500 Tribes, many speaking languages that are not common to eachother.

Even if we narrow down the experience pool to only identifying experiences post resettlement and termination of the past 130 years, the experience of Nany's Tribe, Cherokee Nation, is completely different that the experience of the Navajo, Lakota and Mission Bands. Shoot it's different for Cherokee Nation than it is for Eastern Band of Cherokees. It's different than my Tribe's experience and our reservation was only about 70 Miles from hers.

I can claim shared experience with maybe 50,000 other members of the Tribes in my region of Oklahoma. We grew up going to Pow-wows with the Quapaws, Nany probably went to Red Earth if she went. Even those experiences would be different. Red Earth being more focused on Fancy Dance competition than Quapaw in which the big event was the stomp dances at night.

Then there is the whole experience of the civil war in the 70's. I'm assuming Nany went through that given her statement of her allotee grandmother who would have been living in 1890s when the allotments were made, so I'm guessing her age to be between somewhere around 60, given that, which side did her family go with? Traditional or Government? Were they split like my family was? The 70's experience still resonates with many many individuals and associations within tribes can still fracture along the lines of Traditional/Government though not with the bloodiness of the previous generation.

Nany speaks of 'the rez' but she doesn't specify. Reservation experiences are also different. The experience of the State Reservation Tribes of the East Coast are different that the Northern Plains reservations which are different that the Southwestern Reservations which are different that the Missions.

One simply can not claim to be of all American Indians. We have no national governance for Tribes other than the US Federal Government. Each Tribe negotiates separately with the BIA when the BIA looks at new rules and regulations. When the BIA rescinded Tribal constitutions in the 90's, each tribe rewrote their own, when new compacts are made with states/municipalities each Tribe negotiates for themselves.

If the Tribes were homogeneous between themselves then we would all either have casinos or not have casinos, not some do some don't. We would all be Traditional Faith, Catholic or Baptist or Morman or etc... not spanning them all.

The simple fact as well, is, SL is it's own culture. We can do presentations of cultural iconography from various regions of he world for educational experiences, or present language instruction for those interested in learning to speak. But sitting down and chatting with me in vitual hot tub at a welcome area, or next to a prim-teepee (which we never used, we were more lodge builders) is not going to expose you to my culture on the same kind of level it would if you were to jump a plane to Oklahoma and come to the general council meeting/stomp dance in May.

All that said, I have no issue with someone building a sim Indian village any more than I have problem with those awesome Buddhist monasteries I like to visit. I do understand that the sim I am visiting is not giving me an in depth understanding of the culture of Nepal though. And would be dubious of anyone claiming to be able to explain every issue facing every Nepalese person.

Patasha

Why on earth does Linden Labs want to merge the two grids? Seriously, what is the benefit of merging the two grids into one besides possibly pervs targeting fresh meat? Before being shocked that I even said that think about this adult males are relentless on this game with women when we turn them down, I don't want to even imagine some teeny bopper chasing women around because they are "hot". I personally as a 23 yr old do not want to even interact with with anyone "teenage" let alone anyone under 21 by choice. Their issues/concerns are not relevant to my lifestyle. Besides the fact of being able to swear, buy genitalia if I so choose to, or simply the right to dress with a belly shirt or even booty shorts its about being possibly forced to having to interact with children/teenagers. The whole censorship rule will change won't it? If I wear a T shirt in a PG area of a television show perhaps of an "adult" cartoon like Beavis & Butthead will I get reprimanded because its not PG enough (even though perhaps it has no violence or sexual content on the shirt)? Will Vampires be allowed to be in PG areas like they currently are or will they have to remove their fangs or not have any blood splattered clothing even though they are fully covered because little Timmy shouldn't see it? How about transexual avatars/ people that play the opposite gender but talk on mic or are known to be opposite gender of what they are RPGing as even if they are fully clothed, not swearing, etc. I'm sure that would confuse some new teenagers starting out in SL for the very first time especially if they came from another kiddie game or never played a virtual game at all. Some parents may not for whatever reason want their kids to be around adults of any kind "PG" or not, ever think of that?

How about weapons sandboxes, you can shoot weapons that do not I repeat do not kill anyone (like a gun that shoots rabbits at people) but if all weapons sandboxes are automatically rated mature that wouldn't be fair to the kids because they don't get weapons testing of their own. I as an adult do not want to interact with anyone that is a teenager, I'm past my teen years I rather talk to my own peers. I mean this in the kindest way teenagers voices can be so annoying & frightening when they get all high pitched. Don't you think a lot of adults and teenagers personalities would clash as well? I'm sure some of them wouldn't like to hang us "old" people on our grid either, heck I barely feel like I can talk to anyone near help island (not meant to offend any HIP regulars ) because everyone seems to be 40-ish & a bit more conservative than I'm used to; can only imagine what teens on a merged grid will think when some 30-50 year old woman talks to them like their mother when they ask for help. Just some things teens do just are in no way funny to adults. I think some things that Adults say in rage on here to other people if it were said to a child would really harm them since a lot of kids are sensitive & may not yet (depending on age) realize that some people are just hurtful individuals. A lot of people have children of their own to deal with & don't want to have to listen to someone else's "brats" when they socializing amongst friends. The teens have a right to enjoy their grid just like us adults have a right not to want to be around the teens in anyway including on our adult "PG" sims. I like having the option to be in a PG sim on the Adult Grid as an escape, but that doesn't mean I want it "Disney" PG. If any of the teenagers are like the handful of past ones that show up at Orientation Island Public on our current adult grid wrongfully they are beyond annoying especially if you simply ask them to turn their microphone down they will instead scream into the microphone to further infuriate anyone standing in the sim until they go "poof"...Food for thought.


"If It Ain't Broke, Don't Try To Fix It"....in other words please for goodness sakes leave our grids alone!

Now we keep going around about what constitutes Adult/Mature/PG. And this is the problem. We all have our own definitions. And even if LL provided definitions we would all have our interpretations of those definitions. I mean just on the first rub, here's my definitions:

PG: Things you would see in a bugs bunny cartoon or the movie Cleopatra. (Yes including cross dressing, and submissive kneeling behavior, and the occasional swell battle scene)

Mature: Things you would see on HBO. Sex and violence included. But not for it's own sake, it would have to be driving the narrative somehow. NoR is mature.

XXX (pornvana): if you aren't boinkin' or killin' folks, leave now.

Now I think we all agree what XXX would allow. But where is the line between HBO and Vivid video? who decides that? I mean really if LL wants to implement a rating system on use to this level there is one thing that they really must do. Implement a ratings board. Right now we have Lindens running around making arbitrary decisions on what is appropriate and what isn't. Fine I can live with that because we are all mushed together like this. But if LL is going to start forced resettlement of people, they need to have a governing body like the MPAA that makes the call. Not leave it to RandomX Linden who may either have spent her formative years in a monastary or in a bordello.

And the board would have to make the call before the resettlement, not be a appeals process. None of this: BanziDeath Linden returned my humping puppies objects so now I have to submit a request to have it appealed, which we all know LL will never respond to. If there is one thing I think we all agree on it's that using the current help/reporting structure is futile.


Patasha

If that is so, then it will at least prevent families like mine from becoming displaced/separated by this segregation policy. BUT - they damned well better get it in writing, somewhere official, like the TOS! Otherwise, this is going to become serious AR-fodder!

Okay everyone, tracked her down. Nany is part of a 5 person panel discussion:

PANEL Not-for-Profit Organizations in Second Life
"Not-for-Profits in the Virtual World: Making the Seemingly Inaccessible Accessible"

It takes place Friday, Mar. 27, 2009 at 9:30am on ISTE Island (I'm assuming that's SL time, maybe if Nany isn't afraid she will correct it if I'm wrong).

http://wiki.vwbpe.org/index.php?title=Schedule

I know I, or if I can't make it at least one other member of my Tribe, will be there to see if Nany in world is that same as Nany in forums. Hope to see a bunch of you other folks there as well. Should be entertaining. I already have started with some questions for the panel.

Patasha

Not just Gaslamp, but nearly every micro-community in San Diego has them - from Garnet Avenue and Mission Blvd in Pacific Beach, around the Midway/Sports Arena area, Ocean Beach, Mission Valley -- Hell, there's a big, highly-visible one on Clairmont Mesa Blvd at Mercury Drive. And I'm sure there's many more in Kearney Mesa around the MCAS...

...and, no, I do not go looking for them. Seriously!