Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

If you are going to attend Nany's gathering in world, that's fine, but please take the high road and argue any opposing viewpoints logically and in a civilized fashion.

Nany has already resorted to the ad hominem in her personal attacks against the adult industry, its patrons, and other cultures, while being arrogant enough to say that she speaks for a great number of nations. Let's demonstrate that not all Americans (aboriginal or otherwise) are this brash, or judgemental.

Already covered by the ToS, as far as I was told when 3 of my groups were renamed and the charters/titles edited by LL. But will they be able to exist uncensored (this applies to profiles, adverts and land descriptions too, I guess) under the new policy?

Possibly this a major reason for seperation though on the mainland, that could be dealt with far more effectively by some sort of resource clamping.

Mainland restricts avatars to 40, most sims have many seperate parcels of various different sizes, as I highlighted earlier in the thread one sex club on a plot of around 5000sqm had the entire sims quoter of visitors, this prevented me from entering the sim to buy a plot.

Owners of plots in that sim would have similar problems accessing land they pay a monthly tier for.

This was highlighted as being something LL would already take action against, as it is unfair resource hogging.



Lord stated as much here.


Moving high traffic sex clubs on the mainland where they are currently using a disproportionate amount of resources for the sims, compared to land owned.
To a new area where they would be colocated with similar high traffic venues.
Would whether people like it or not force owners of such places to be responsible regarding resource usage.

This is a good side effect of forced segregation and colocation of adult business.

I know about that. That's not a cache. I believe we need something people can refer to in two years, not two months. Assuming these forums haven't been turned into a bunch of Yahoo groups by then.

Can we go and just talk, at great length, about whatever makes the least sense vs what she wants to talk about? That'd be appropriate, I think.

If mommy doesn't want her little girl using her computer, mommy needs to log out when she's not using it.

Putting the SL password into the Apple keychain on the Mac would be a nice improvement, though. I don't know if there's an equivalent encrypted password store on Windows.

i would be happy to relocate.
openlife is looking better every day and money is coming so commerce will soon be there.
i seriously hope it kills SL.
land is 1/6 of the price and 3* the prim allowance so on a full sim you will get 45000 prims to play with, just imagine the builds....

Norton Systemworks does that on PCs. It's an extra cost though.

The term 'adult' is employed with an American bias to mean 'pornographic', but in the rest of the world, the term 'adult' does not equal 'pornographic'. The very language used in this discussion is biased toward a US-centric view of the world.

In continental Europe, it is common to see 'pornographic' advertisements on television. Topless women appear daily in British tabloid newspapers and Parisian bus shelter posters. Japanese men read graphic novels on the subway. "Ebichu", a popular TV show in Japan, would be banned in 0.026 seconds in the United States. Belgian students fall over themselves laughing at "Man Bites Dog". By contrast, many Saudi women swim fully dressed at the beaches of Taba, Egypt - and you just try walking down the streets of Tunis as a woman with your long, blond hair uncovered!

The same goes for violence. Watch "Planet Earth" by David Attenborough. Who can forget the battle between two birds trying to drown each other - interrupted suddenly my a mink that kills and eats one of them on the spot. Then there is chimp gang warfare, whereby the victors tear apart and eat one of the losers. The footage of killer whales 'torturing' seals is pretty dramatic as well. Should still photos from the show be banished to the 'Xtreme' continent?

Folks, get the picture here. No one holds a wet T-shirt contest in Salt Lake City. No one wears a Hijab in the casinos of Las Vegas. I give 100 people from 100 countries 100 photographs of human beings in various poses in various stages of undress and good luck deciding what is prudish, silly, normal, acceptable or pornographic. No matter how you twist and turn, there is no way to set 'community standards' on a virtual world as complex and diverse as Second Life - at least not without alienating a significant proportion of the population.

Brava, Ceera. Not that we haven't asked, and continued to ask. But yes, yes, yes! Come on, LL, tell us where you got the numbers. Tell us your current definitions.

Or we are going to have to keep believing, as I suggested much earlier, in the original (now locked) threads on this, that what you did was count Porn Prims. That method, as I demonstrated, will seriously under-estimate the percentage of Adult content in a sim.

Or maybe, as Ceera suggests, you just guessed.

/me doubts that will happen. If you can't even search the new & improved blog for old information any more, something that I _used to_ rely on fairly regularly, you're certainly not going to get them to cache their forums answers.

.....and only a tiny minority have read the blog.
2 weeks on....and i bet most of the non-English speaking residents still don't realise what LL are proposiing.....because LL are simply afraid to place a splash screen on our Login page. This is one of the biggest changes that LL has ever advocated and probably the single policy change that effects the most residents ever!

This whole proposal has been relegated to an "English" written Blog and a few threads placed on SL forums where only a miniscule of the SL population visit!
Go figure!

To Linden Lab:

Crap, more crap and yet more crap. No don't tell me, land-owners in the new "adult" continent will be charged more a la homesteads Why don't you just increase prices instead of doing it in such a roundabout way that fools no-one.

If you're going to have age verification to get into the new "adult" continent best have one that Europeans can use. The current system doesn't work for Europeans.

I saw this in a movie where all the criminals were held in a high security island and left to their own devices. Or is it going to be just the SL red light district?

Personally, I foresee saving 86 USD (inc V.A.T.) a month which I currently pay to LL. Nuff said!

And looking ahead, decide on areas of the mainland that will here on be either PG or Mature/Adult, and as people move out, change the parcels appropriately. Having PG and Mature land together is an idiotic idea to begin with, it should have been fixed long ago. Over time, the grid will sort itself out in a way where nobody will see what they want to see. Zone areas for business only, again PG and Mature/Adult and encourage people to move there. The objective I think LL is after is laudable and probably necessary for growth, but they are doing it in such a wholesale manner. They are basically disrupting the experience of many of it's current and loyal customers for the benefit of a group that aren't here yet, and may never arrive in any significant numbers.

Having lived in New York City most of my life, I've seen urban renewal and gentrification happen in 2 ways. The first, which is analogous to LL's plan. Condemning proprty em masse, excercising eminent domain, forcing people to uproot for the benefit of someone else, without any regard for them

Second is the gradual change,new developments, enticing people to move into them, and gradual reshaping as areas become vacant. This is slower and requires more work on LL's end, but I think it would benefit them and all of SL much more in the long run.

True. I password protect my computer, and I take security at least a little seriously. I never leave that box on the log in screen checked. But not everyone exercises personal responsibility.

Removing the box would be a simple step LL could take to prevent this sort of misuse.

Excellent point. The Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese/Brazilian, Japanese and Swedish communities might be horrified to discover that their fate is being decided by Anglo-Saxons in an obscure blog. Fortunately, the Anglo-Saxons are putting up a good fight on their behalf.

That's why someone outside LL needs to cache them.

If it's not a standard part of Windows then LL shouldn't use it because open source clients can't use it.

Think you hit the nail on the head....this is what Kapor and M.Linden are after as well as attracting RL businesses & Educators too.

When this policy was first released via the blogs......i thought this was all about the merging of the Grids, but LL would be committing suicide with this policy! The Lindens on this thread have said there won't be a Teen Grid merger......although Phillip's Linden desire for a merger at some point still hovers like a grey cloud!

Awesome. Thanks for volunteering. Please let us know how it goes!!


Hows about an update, Lindens?? I think we've come up with some good (and some sub-good) feedback and given you a number of options & concerns that maybe were not in the original plan. You're sorta leaving us hanging here - some kind of update or summary of what you've heard or something would be really good about now..

I would love to see a condensed version that has just community questions, proposals and actual Linden questions and answers. (Are there any Linden answers yet?)
The problem with that is by the time anyone finished editing, there would be another 50 pages to slog through.

I seem to remember something about the brown bag list being announced this week. Is that still on the table?

This seems the most logical and easy to implement solution around. Every new player starts their life in PG world...from there they can make their choices.
Puritans can just stay putt on that new continent without ever knowing or viewing Adult content.

LOL. We can have the Nine Circles of SL. Your avatar can progress from the Light of Innocence all the way to the Outer Darkness.

Sorry, I'm just being silly. It's actually a workable scheme, IMO...unlike what LL is proposing.

I don't think it would work unless they created an adult continent, too. They'd probably sell a ton more land there.

It's something I proposed about 70 pages ago.. Enable people to make their own decisions and let the market decide where it wants to go. I don't understand why this whole thing needs to be done so soon - LL should just let people actually make their own choices and see what happens.

Well, for people using the official client. Anyone compiling another client though would probably include a patch to add that box back.