Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

There is another angle that potentially could end up being very disturbing!

Extortion!

A group of unscrupltous "unverifieds" might find a new way of extorting in-game money!
If you have sex poses and animations or a sex dungeon kitted out in the basement of your residential home which are being classified as the new "Mature".....there is nothing to stop this group entering your home using all your facilities and snapping photographs of a sexual orgy taking place.....and then IM'ing the land owner and sending photographs to say ""I'm reporting you for using your land as a Public Sex area"............or we can talk about "hush money" instead!

What does the Land owner do?....he's at the mercy of the G-Team acting upon this AR. Will he be banished or have his account suspended? He might well pay them off for not wanting the aggravation of dealing with the G-Team Lindens.

This proposed policy could open up a can of worms leading to more anti-social behaviour on the grid.

If i can dream up these type of scenarios, just imagine what a "team of scammers" can dream up! Hell, we've had enough different type of scams during the last few years.

Far more likely that they will just set up the shot and do an AR party on it..

At that point, the home owner should copy the text of that IM chat, with the time and date stamp, and AR the would-be extortionist for their extortion attempt. Then eject and ban each participant that can be identified.

Someone set us up, the bong!

Notecards, text with timestamps...can all be manipulated. His word versus a number of other avatars showing a different sequence of events on their "adpated" notecards

The gteam doesn't (or isn't supposed to anyway) pay much attention to the text from the AR itself, except as a reference on where they should look in the server logs.

So..you're saying this type of Extortion cannot happen or unlikely to happen?

I'm only saying it's not supposed to happen.

That's fair enough.....i'm just throwing things out there to discuss


Where do you live again?


We did have doughnut land cutting, which was a form of Land extortion.....you might be living on prime land....that i want!

On the list of people who are going to be forced to relocate to some overcrowded sim with 'protection' for minors that doesn't really work.

Security systems are evil, but a necessary one. If somebody not in my household group wants to intrude on my dungeon they'll have to first move their camera inside a featureless black megaprim to find it then go to a certain amount of effort to get in there since neither the megaprim nor the internal structure has any means of entry or exit other than tp or editing a block you're sitting on through the walls. Lot of effort to go through to end up teleported home 20 seconds later. (+/- a random few seconds because the sensors dont scan that often to prevent them causing lag)

As we all know...security varies from house to house, from land to land from SIM to SIM.
Someone very new purchasing/ renting Land for the very 1st time would be extremely vunerable initially.

There's possibly a degree of truth to this, but if there was strong backing for the proposal those people would feel more comfortable, safety in numbers. I don't see this as a for it or against it scenario, for example I support the setting up of the adult continent, I don't support the forced relocation.

I also support a PG style continent and can't for the life of me understand why Linden Lab aren't setting one up other than the original FAQ's and proposals being an attempt to pretty much turn existing mainland into a PG continent. Now that they're retreated from that position the balance a PG style mainland continent would bring is imperative to this plan.



That's an impossible task, which is why seeking to get people to voluntarily move makes more sense. Once the adult continent is up and running it becomes easier to point out what is suitable where.

As I said awhile back. Continuing to allow adult activities in private homes cannot be allowed to continue if LL is serious about this policy. I figure that issue is next on the hitlist after they get the adult continent setup.

And Yeah I think the whole thing is a crock. Restrict non verified existing accounts and all new accounts to a PG only continent until they verify and call it done. Otherwise its a useless gesture and sure to piss off huge chunks of your paying customer base.

Precisely. The purpose of the copied and pasted part is only to show the G-team where to look in their logs for a tamper-proof copy of the extortion attempt in the IM.

Anyone who uses text chat or IM to attempt extortion hangs themselves, because LL has a tamper-proof record of that attempt.

If they just swarmed in and took pics and did an AR party, they still hang themselves, because the G-Team can check and see who was in that location at the time the pics were taken - proof that it was a frame-up, since the only people present in the images and at the location would be the people making the claim of wrongdoing.

Point taken....i hope it's this full proof.

Maybe some homeowners are not as knowledgeable as you, regarding the "tamper-proof" copy on system available to the G-Team. Also someone who is practiced in the art of "blackmailing" would unlikely be so direct or could opt for VOICE.....they could ask lead questions"what do you propose we do about this?".....thus inducing the homeowner to make the monetary offer for not AR'ing.

Again just showing different angles.....things are never so black and white!


Anyway...sorry....I derailed the topic....let's get back on track!

No - the AR system is horribly flawed.. It's good that they don't rely on pissed off people to honestly report what was said but, overall, the system sorta makes me cringe.

I agree that the AR system is badly flawed, and will admit that a plot like that could certainly cause inconvenience to the victim, as the victim would most likely get suspended for a short period of time while the logs get checked. But when all is said and done, the false accusers are likely to suffer a longer suspension, or possibly face banishment.

And personally, if anyone tried that on me, I would be likely to sue LL for the RL info on the accusers, so I could take the accusers to RL court for libel and extortion charges.

However, for this reason I agree with Darkness Anubis, that the only way to prevent false AR's is to completely isolate the "Adult" content. Which means, you'll need *several* continents to cover all the affected people. Far easier to leave the adult stuff where it is, and make a squeaky-clean new continent, simply leaving the existing PG and Mature sim ratings as-is, and rating the new continent "G".

Okay so someone may have actually asked this question however I'm going to put it a different way.

Say you are in your own PRIVATE home whether it be on a private sim or a mainland sim and your allowed to do the dirty deed in the PRIVACY of your own sl home...What happens then when another avatar is camming around and accidentally or even deliberately cams into your house where you are having sex...Does that make it become Public sex as this avatar can see what your doing by camming inside your house? Does this mean that avatar can lodge a complaint against you for having sex in your own private home?

Will there be trouble for getting caught? Or will you ban us from having sexual items in our own private homes and/or using them anywhere but in an adult themed sim?

Oh yeah and if that happens...When will we be turning into a Communistic goverment in SL?

In addition, being someone who holds a full account and is unverified age wise I simply refuse to have such important details sent to a third party for verification which could lead to my identity being forged as my only means of verifying my age is my passport. I'm sorry but no.. I won't put myself at that kind of risk And if that means not being allowed into Adult sims and only being given access to PG or Mature sims then so be it. But restricting us further for not being willing to risk our personal details would smack of coercion. And there goes a very very large hunk of revenue for SL.

Status: Discussion going nowhere

1. Lindens haven't contributed anything substantial to the discussion in days. Minor prods just to keep people talking. No status reports from them as have been requested by several people.

2. Forum thread degenerating into mis-informed rants, personal attacks and off-topic discussions like ferrets. Very few new points are being made, because of point 1 above.

Pages and pages of complaints may just make us feel better, but are not changing anything, in my opinion.

What she said. Come on, LL...don't leave us hanging like this.

I agree, Neptune, which is WHY I own my sim, but my CLUB only takes up a quarter of it...and Linden Labs has been EXTREMELY unforthcoming on the issue of how land will be allocated. I want to move my whole sim, not just the "adult" portion. Is LL going to let me, so that I can CONTINUE being a responsible sim owner who limits script, particles, texture sizes, etc. to reduce lag and rez time, or will they only move my quarter sim of adult material, forcing me to "live" with whomever gets the other 3/4ths of the sim?

What about hadicapped people who come here for a bit of enjoyment and even some sexual fun who can in no way be age verified?

New product - protected poseball. Nobody can use it unless you're present.

changed(integer c) 
{
  if(c & CHANGED_LINK) {
    key id=llAvatarOnSItTarget();
    if(id != NULL_KEY && id != llGetOwner() && !listFindList(id, gPermittedList)) llSensor(... llGetOwner(), ... gSensorRange);
  }
}

no_sensor() {
  key id=llAvatarOnSitTarget();
  ejectAndBan(id);
}

So anybody who owns at least, say, a 512m2 of land in a mainland sim should never be prevented from getting to their land due to the sim being full?

/me does the math.. regions are 65k m2, mainland is capped at 40 people.. hm...