Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

K, thanks. Much appreciated.

/me sticks her tongue out

Considering all the weird recursive acronyms I have to deal with working with Linux, I'm doing pretty well.

Of course it could. but broad friendships are not always sexual in nature between adults. I will be the first to admit that I only know enough about sub/dom and bsdm to consider it a fetish. I realize that some ppl take it very seriously and I respect that. I just do not fall into that category. RP is more in line with how I view both sub/dom and bsdm.

Cat

Thanks very much Ceera

i pay for my first land and the land i bought next to it, i pay my tier i should be able to decide if its mature content or not. I do not agree with moving all the age appropriate stuff to one area. I think the sim or land owners should decide their content.
Im not into some things on sl but i, as an adult ,make the choice to not go there or go there and keep quiet if im checking it out. I do not feel i have the right , as i have so often seen so many do, to go into a sim with a life style choice i do not believe in and slaughter it with viscious words and actions. We are adults , i live my life differently then my neighbor does real life, but doesnt mean the government has a right to come in and move me or make it so neither of us can live our lives the way we want.
if you want to recreat the real world in a virtual form , bdsm, sexuality, gor, fighting .. thats all part of it. read the papers.. pick up a magazine.we are humans we do these things in rl and secondlife is for many people a chance to do what they cannot do in real life. YOU may not be into what im into but that doesnt give you the right to take away my rights. I do not infringe my choices on anyone else nor do i expect them to infringe their choices on me.
please dont do this. i think if you do you will lose alot of people. you have competition out there now also, people can check out other virtual worlds similar to sl. not every mind is open but every person can make a choice to go somewhere on sl or not.
i would hate to cancel my account and move it to a free one because i keep paying to have my first land but if you make it pg or g. i wont be able to live there. i like my avatar to be able to wear sexy sometimes adult themed things. i live in small town america it fun to be more worldly then jeans and tshirt.

sighs and for those of you who are wondering check out there.com and openlife.com, secondlife is not the only virtual world out there anymore. it just the one i love until it changes and the people i love to meet and hang out with leave. whats the point of a ghost world?

http://www.blogcatalog.com/search.frame.php?term=metanomics&id=e556bf15972deb1997bcf2db2df04465

Well Philip Linden did.

LL has announced that they will be creating a new adult based continent, Philip Linden has said recently that the TG and the MG will merge at some point. My assumptions come from what LL is directing. Since LL owns the grid I will take my cues from LL. I am sorry you feel I am pigeon holing this discussion; not at all; I am simply trying to form my own opinions of what I believe is "adult content" because quite frankly I am on the fence about several of the issues here. People in this forum have me re thinking some of which I thought was black and white; "adult content" isn't nearly a clear definition as it seems. I understand that there are a lot of NPIOF ppl on the grid. I have run many residential communities in the past 5 years; most of my residents were NPIOF a great majority of them were also ppl who worked in adult clubs. So I don't see these issues nearly as blindly as you may think.

Cat

Edited to add;

Some of my main concerns from the get go have been;

How will this affect the land values of the mainland?
How will this transition take place?
Will ppl be assured that they will receive a parcel of land that is the equal value of what they owned before they were moved?
What is the time line on this new continent, and will there be a grace period?
Is there a system in place in which to move ppl or will they be expected to move themselves? Because that can be a huge task.

Do I believe this is a done deal? Yes of course.

Unfortunately, none of the other virtual worlds have a functioning economy, nor are any of them that I have seen even close to providing the capabilities that SL offers. Flawed though it is, SL is still years ahead of what any of the competing virtual worlds are so far able to provide. and it will be years yet before any of the wanna-be virtual competitors to SL are even close to offering as good or better a deal.

If LL cuts its own throat with this latest insane action, or future ones like merging the teen grid (Just a matter of time, denials or no from LL), many of us may try to move to other virtual worlds. But it will be living in a self-made grass shack on a desert island and trading coconuts and fish for the residents in those new worlds, as compared to living in a mansion near the big city and experiencing a varied and viable economy in SL.

The forum in question is Friday at 9:30am at ISTE Island and I would ask that regardless of issues of representation brought up here that you please do not take this arguement into the Conference with the expressed purpose of disagreeing with a single individual. The forum is about Non-Profits, not who speaks for whom. While I encourage people to come by I would ask that in attending the sessions to please stay on topic.

The issue of representation is often a thorny one in that those that stand-up to be counted are the ones that typically get noticed and have control over agendas especially when others don't know about, or don't show up for, the committee meetings. All you have to do is look at your local city government to see how true this is.

I doubt however that anyone would argue that lack of representation implies consent to speak on behalf of any particular demographic, nevermind every demographic. At the same time however specific individuals are certainly more qualified to render an "expert or qualified opinion" than others when no one else is available to give voice to those who aren't fairly represented.

In the case of this panel, there are only 5 individuals representing a multitude of voices within the Non-Profit arena. It is unlikely that ANY of the individuals on the panel could be said to speak on behalf of all demographics for which they are peripherally associated. That is simply the nature of a discussion panels and how they generalize sometimes even very broad categorizations of peoples and cultures.

Nany Kayo is representing one such qualified opinion. Within the Panel, she is the “subject matter expert” as no one else on the Panel has the associated expertise in this field as she does. Does that means she speaks for every possible demographic that defines Native American Culture – of course not. As an SME in this field however her opinion carries more weight within certain topics area as she bring a unique perspective to the discussion that the other Panelist are not qualified to render.

Beyond this – people are always free to disagree with what is brought up and said by ANY of the panelists. As participants in the process - you yourselves - have multiple opportunities to raise questions at the conference, blog, twitter, plurk, facebook, youtube, stickam, hold meetings in Second Life, put comments in the discussion area on our wiki or within the SL communities forums which can expand on the pros and cons of the opinions rendered as part of the panel.

I would highly encourage people to do exactly that through __constructive__ interaction focusing on the issues rather than the individuals. Because at the end of the day – its really the issues that are going to stimulate discussion and debate, not necessarily who said them.

I completely agree with you; This ship has already sailed, and we weren't invited to the christening.

Questions for the lindens that will be ignored

1. Have we defined personal/public

2. Have we defined adult?
(I have a feeling that this will get reverted to GTeam's Definition)

3. And have we any Idea on how this move will be accomplished?


These are they questions from day one that need to be awnsered by the Lindens once they do all this silly back and forth can be quieted. Funny enough these are the 3 questions that are raised by this entire topic and you think they would of sat around with their lil 'Think Tank' and cam up with their own awnsers that they were willing to stick by once they announced this.

Worth repeating.

/me cues a Linden to thank us for our thoughts, assure us that they will be carefully read then lock this thread without answering most of the questions we've been asking since the start of this.

/me sighs. I love SL but you guys really make it tough sometimes..

I would tend to err on the agreement side there as cleaning up SL is going to be a mammoth task as policy is written and re written during this time. I am also for the merger of the grids, as long as there are strict controls so as minors cannot access this adult/mature material and also they are confined to a PG world and i am sure there are many other considerations to be taken into account first. But i do not see that as an end to SL maybe a new beginning. IIRC the girl who developed the Ajax viewer is/was 15 years old what a catch of talent for SL and i am sure there are many other equally intelligent teens that could contribute a lot to the grid as a whole.

Blondin said that no one realized just how big SL would be and hindsight is a wonderful thing. I feel that LL has the gift of foresight, its called its customers. We are in the main a dedicated group that want to see LL and SL succeed, yes we argue with LL and each other over changes but we argue because generally we cannot get the other party to do what we as individuals want and many do blur the reality of the real world and laws with that of SL and LL which is a private company and can ultimately do as it pleases as i have said many times in the past. However harsh that may sound to some.

LL imho should start some steering groups of residents that haven't got personal agendas but want SL to move forward. Get the group members to sign NDA's which they already do for the Enterprise Support email list and get heads round the virtual table. Start being more transparent where business allows it and start using the talent that LL has at its disposal with us customers. Most importantly for me is for LL to start communicating with us even if they cannot give us exact dates and information at least give us information that will stop this crazy speculation in the forums, because that does nobody any good whatsoever.

If things are going to take a few weeks or months at least let us know so that we can know how to plan our individual needs. I am sure that many here understand how company wheels turn especially with corporations beholding to investors/shareholders etc. but having information will allay some of the fears here i feel.

I will continue to support this change although i am still not happy with a forced move but will always listen to whats on offer first as i know if i do not like i can leave and yes i know that statement upsets some but that is how i see my life here at SL. It is up to me as an individual to make my stay here as fun or as rough as i want within the definitions that LL gives me in the form of the TOS and CS etc.

This is just my opinion and i am sticking to it lol

i don't think we should change the program we have going on. i think it's all a matter of self-responsibility. if someone doesn't want to see mature content, they need to pull themselves away from mature sims on their own. why should we do the work for them? why should YOU do the work for them? if they can't take care of themselves, and they can't steer themselves away from adult content, maybe they either need to stick to the sims they KNOW, or they can decide to look at the adult content. the problem with implementing the system described would be, some people are simply PARANOID about giving out their IRL information to a system or a person, so some people wouldn't be ABLE to access the adult content even if they wanted to. i know, because i am one such person. i don't think i NEED to give my personal information to ANYONE to be able to use a game. if i did, some irresponsible Linden Labs employee might exploit my information. I'd know, I've had this kind of thing happen to me before. not all employees can be trusted. i also made a vow to myself not to spend money on a game. i mean, i can get the same entertainment value for free, can't i? and once again, giving my credit card information leaves me open to exploitation by an irresponsible employee. if you wish to separate adult content from PG content, that's fine, but please don't go messing with a person's basic ability to go where they please. thank you.

<3 Morgan Dinzel

I'm not going to faff about listening to some podcast in realtime, do you have a transcript? Does he say "we're going to merge the grids, here's our timetable" or did he say "I'd like to..." or "one eventual goal is..."?

Because what I said is basically what Blondin Linden said. That's their line.

Now obviously this move makes that kind of merge potentially easier, but this is still not the thread to discuss it in, because you're not going to get anything else from the Lindens on that subject.

What do you mean "any more"? There.com is older than Second Life, and it sucks in so many ways, specific and general, plain and fancy, frilled, waffle-cut, and rotating, that it makes OpenSim look good. And OpenSim doesn't look all that good.

I do not want to detract from your insightful comments; so I will keep mine as short as possible.

I too think it's very important to look forward now, and agree with you about the focus groups. I believe that would be a win win situation for LL and it's user base.
I too see this as a new opportunity. Like many I am also leery of the impending changes but I am willing to get threw our differences to see this new chapter for SL.



Cat

Or maybe we should take their silence as a sign that they gave up on this idea?

I don't think you realize just how chilling those words are. Granted, some clubs (and other venues) don't come by their traffic honestly, but many do; and what you just said is tantamount to LL declaring, "You've gotten too popular, and for that, we are going to heavily penalize you. Have a nice Marxist day!"

Like I said, some places do hog resources unfairly with loads of needless scripts and traffic bots; but most of the better clubs I've seen are responsible with their resources - after all, it doesn't serve their purpose to give their patrons a laggy experience. For these clubs, the onus is on LL to provide an infrastructure that supports their needs. Clustering all these clubs together in one place where they have to fight for already-sparce resources is the wrong way to go about it.

No. Don't stoop to her level. All that does is give her credence she doesn't deserve.

Linux uses a keychain. Dunno about Windows, though.

The full transcript is here:
http://www.metanomics.net/transcript011909


Cat

So, as interesting as all this is.. why are we trying to make SL like RL? This is a game and a fantasy world. Many people play this game to be something they are not.. albeit slutty, sexy, or just plain naked. It's what WE choose to be. And we are, of course, going to let a few people who can't read search, or understand that mature content is mature, ruin what we have going? Well.. that's just silly and a fatale flaw. Because its going to affect alot of people, and alot of store owners, including my own. And then the fact that we have to register to get into the "mature content" sim with a third party? Really? Who wants a third party checking their info... And what IF the person doesn't have the info that is needed. How will they get land to put their shop up on the new "mature content" land? What if this person makes their living off SL? What then? Is it okay? No, not really.. but if the lindens want to take away our freedom to be who we want to be.. then what is the point of playing a game that is so close to RL? Of course, in RL... we don't shove all the bad sex places, or drug places, or whatever into one cramped little region. So, sure.. lets go with the Linden Labs little game because we can't stop it. They are going to do it anyways, and alot of people are going to just say screw it and quit. So let them tear down their fanbase because of a few self rightous people who can't freaking understand that when it says "sex" in the search description.. it's a sexual sim. Hmmm.. that's hard to figure out.

"Linux" doesn't even have a GUI.

Which Linux? Which desktop? Which keychain?