Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

You have to use a credit card to play WOW, Home, and every other game I know of. Using a credit card in SL counts as Validation as per Linden discussions here. So go buy some lindens in the game and be done with it already. SL is the only MMORPG that you don't have to spend a monthly figure on unless you want to own or rent land of your own. Go tell Blizzard and Sony that you want to play their games without paying them. When they finish laughing (if they finish...) ask the same of all the other games out there. Then come back with your free account and log in with your free program, and tell us again how awful LL is.

I give credit where credit is due. LL is the only game that people can play for free. I'm very cautious about what data I give out and to whom. But honestly, you give out the same data when you hand your credit card over to the waitress in any restaurant. If you are willing to give out a number for a big mac but not for your entertainment here in Second Life, then the entertainment must not be worth as much as a hamburger to you.

OK, I've read that one before. It's not announcing anything. It's exactly what I said... a long term goal, no plans, no timetables. And nobody at Linden Labs is going to say anything but "there are no current plans to merge the grids, this is not part of a merge".

I'm not saying that I am happy with this dithering, or that I approve of these long term goals, but this isn't the thread for those comments. If I can sit on my tongue, surely you can.

Why cant "handicapped" people verify ? I see no sense in this at all if they can use SL they can verify

"PHILIP ROSEDALE: Generally, I think that the future of Second Life needs to be one where people of all ages can use Second Life together, and that’s the direction that we’re taking in our planning and our work."

Says it all for me. Matter of fact I take it as a direct move toward that goal by making this new "adult continent". I only brought it up as it appears to relate directly imo. No need to hijack this thread with a discussion about the interview; There is another thread to discuss the interview for anyone who wants to look it up here in the forums.

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I agree with Rayne Keynes on this one because making EVERYONE comply to a minority of people that want everything in SL PG is not fair. With having to age verify just to be able to hang out in Mature sim (not every Mature sim is about nudity or violence but about being able to have freedom of speech). Not to mention the fact that anonymity is just thrown out the window & anyone that verifies risks identity theft *if* somehow the system is compromised. What do we know about the third party that is aiding in the verification process? Why would I want to give a "game" my SSN? What if this game compromises some people's RL identity? What actions will be taken if this happens? I understand for a credit card or medical treatment but an online game? Example what if my partner is verified but I'm not but we are partnered in the game does LL terminate our partnership? Will things that aren't considered "PG" that I bought, made before this merge be "blacklisted" or deleted because I'm not verified; will you reimburse me if it unable to be used? How about my home in SL, which is on a Mature sim will I lose my home simply because I didn't verify? I could care less if I never see a nude avie but it should be my right if I want to without having to give up important information. Also isn't a bit rude to assume that every shopkeeper, club owner, etc will *want* to move their store to a new "side"? What if its not an appealing land? Some stores are complicated & I don't think they'll want to take the time to re rezz their entire store(s). Also please take notice some club owners if they all moved to same island or whatever would lag all surrounding things to know end. I'm not going to name any name but I can think of one particular club that just about lags/drags the sim to a halt with the lag because they have so much poorly scripted, as well as hideous things all around their club/clubs. I would be very upset if I were a merchant that had to be stuck next to lag-ness monsters like that. Apparently since this is an active goal that seems to moving in motion even if we like it or not so quite honestly do our opinions even matter? I'm really wondering that all that oppose will be ignored & forced to move or "get out the way"? As an active consumer in SL, as a paying accounting I think my dollars speak for themselves when I say I like things JUST as they are.

I don't disagree. I'm just saying that this has come up Ackerman's Number of times before in these threads, and all Lindens have repeated that this is not part of that plan. They're not going to say anything else.

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Ah I see contradiction number 23423432222 hehe. Thanks Argent

*spews diet Pepsi out her nose!*

Back when this whole topic came to light, many people suggested making a PG area instead of an adult one. If Linden Labs really had a short term goal of merging the teen and main grid, they would have taken exactly that action, and made a grid fit to merge with the teen grid.

As it stands, having an adult area and a main grid that is a mixture of PG and things marked as Mature, all but ensures that any merger of the teen and main grid, would be years in the future.

Has anyone considered that some of this may be a reality check on how well a company the size of Linden Labs can actually enforce something like banning hard-core pornography from the mainstream?

Associating your personal data with eating a big mac is very different than associating your personal information with "adult" activity (as undefined by LL.) There are professional as well as personal safety concerns which can only be removed if you can guarantee 100% security of the data - no third party data mining, no accidental leaks of customer lists, no internal violations of customer privacy. There are 3 or 4 major privacy leak stories every year. What corporation can honestly make a 100% guarantee?

You may not care if your personal sexual fantasies were linked to you in the RL, but I know many women, like me, would be very concerned for many reasons.

I do agree with you that LL is cool for creating an environment where people can play for free.

Well, tbh, I just think this could be a bit cynical. I don't just occasionally visit Mature and Adult areas of SL, I basically live and socialise there too. I know plenty of other people who are largely the same way. I think their figure of 2-4% is either ridiculous or naive and I think the truth of it is this: more money goes through the Adult sector per person per hour than any other stimulus in the in-world economy. If you want to tap these resources you have to idenitfy the size and the makeup of the market, hence there is a playpen created that does just that. Once the market is identified LL cash in by managing the land price and sim costs of the Ursula Mainland.

If you want people to believe this isn't a shady bit of opportunism, how's about matching land prices permanently to PG equivalents and strictly managing the private sale of land on Ursula or space available in order to ensure the absence of punitive costs at a later date for all concerned.

Just my two cents...

There is quite a bit of name-calling going on here. This is not a particularly sophisticated discussion. Many of the participants seem incapable of grasping nuance. It is necessary to drop to their level to communicate with them at all.

In this case, I decided to turn the unwarranted attention that was being directed at me personally into an opportunity to advertise the need for representation of Native American viewpoints in SL. I don't believe any of the people claiming to be Natives here so far are qualified, but there may be others who will be inspired to challenge my claim that I am the only one speaking for them.

My goals wrt SL are entirely practical, and I am not opposed to sacrificing myself to achieve them if necessary. I don't have a chip on my shoulder. I'm not concerned with the way the White man oppressed Indians. My concern is the future for my tribe and for all American Indian people. Period.

So LL wants to use a third party to verify paying residents? Well that leaves me and a number of other paying residents on a little sandy island with a single palm tree then. I don't have any other method of verification other than what I've used and if i have to verify with a different way, then I'll be stuck on the side with people who have seperated me from my friends and my loved one. I've seen the exact same thing happen elsewhere and that site is now struggling to keep its members, losing hundreds every day now. Why not move those minority to the new continent and let the rest of us do what we came here to do? Afterall, we're here to have fun and meet people!!

(1) What they seem to be saying is that if a parcel isn't being explicitly advertised as a public area to the public, it's not public. However, in this thread Blondin said that if a build appears to be a While West Brothel, it's not a private home. Is there a conflict here, or is the visual appearance of the build (IE, the front of the building says 'Madam Sagebrush's House of Negotiable Affection') what he was referring to? What is "publicly advertised"?

(2) Actual photographs OK or not OK in "non-public" builds?

Personal, just my meaning we came to second life with a big group of Dutchies after a few years walking around in other virtual communities. We left there because we heard that SL is different , Adults , freedom, possiblities to learn and create.
We came from a kindergarden to find a place what is set up for adults and were we can be our self without screaming kids kids/teeners around.
Now 2 years later we see dayly Dutch kids , not even teeners but realy kids in the age of 8 till 12 years old around. We know that they are 100% RL kids because most of us have RL kids and the spell faults are not the usual typo`s we all make.
For the dutchies who read this post , we all know the differents between ei and ij.
The Netherlands , and most of the europe lands are easy countries. Kids do have lots of freedom here and are all over no matter if you have to mark a agree button or not , Those buttons doesnt mean anything for those kids, it makes it more that they want to come in because they wanne be a " big girl/guy"

What i have seen with my own eyes is that a kid on a Dutch sl form told open about how he was getting his money in sl , 12 years old boy in RL and stripdancer as a girl
And that forum was mod by adults also mom and dads in RL .
And no single word about that it is now allowed.

My meaning is no Rl kids at all on the maingrid and if i have to give my privacy up for that , i will.

Sorry for my typo`s as i am a from the Netherlands

Not unless you are NPI (No Payment Information).

Or we can stop addressing a eventuality and deal with the reason it becomes an issue. The only way Jonny boy is gona get onto his moms SL account is if:

A) she neglects to log out
B) has save password checked (I don't agree to removing it, it's useful, and if someone is uncomfortable with it or feel it compromises their security they are free to turn it off)
C) doesn't monitor her kid, if her kid is a underage teen it's her responsibility to make sure he abides by the law

Stop the problem before it becomes a problem. Changing things to fix the issue once it's already occurring only serves to hurt those that are responsible. (not as in responsible for the issue but responsible as in teaching their kids etc.)



And yet you yourself have given no proof of it either. How do we know that you're telling the truth? So far you've proven you're a hypocrite and a liar what makes you think we'll just believe what you say about being a Native just because you say so? Especially so when you're saying others probably aren't real Natives because they haven't provided proof either. What makes you exempt from having to provide proof?

Oh, I know, your prude and ego driven attitude.

Ah, that perfectly explains why you are parading around in a thread about the Upcoming Changes for Adult Content. Are soapboxes on the questionable content list?


Closer to topic....Has anyone heard anything today from Linden Labs?

brings us back around to what constitutes public/private and what wether becuase it's paid to be in search if it's public

Do you know what ad hominem means?

I agree with the changes in handling so called adult content in SL and want to cast a vote in favor. I believe public displays of slavery should be included as adult content, and want to communicate that to Linden Lab in the appropriate forum. You got a problem with that? Too bad.

I assisted a Mistress who is Jewish in setting up her sim which will no doubt be forced to relocate. Obviously this isn't RL. But, it still has taken her to some dark places emotionally. She refuses to even come into the forum because she doesn't feel she can keep those emotions in check. She lost members of her family and is having some PTS issues. For her this is more than just mourning the loss of her mainland SL home and business that she loves.

I still do not believe that is a reasonable criterion. If it is in search as something other than a residence than that may be taken to indicate it isn't personal space, but that can't be a simple determining criterion like "because it's in search it's public". And "it's not in search" is probably not an adequate filter to determine that "it's not public".

As a factor to be considered, certainly, but not as a hard line.

Do you know what liar and hypocrite means? I could care less if it's ad hominem, it's also truth.

It means that for all your crusading bullshit in this and other threads about who and what you represent you have yet to bring forth any proof that you are continually challenging others to bring.

Set the example as a supposedly responsible adult.