Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

without googling: Springfield, Oregon... three at least.

what do i win? a bear?

Well, seeing as how Sex Sells and Education = taxes and subsidies, you might not want to slug it out, I would guess that the sex industry will slaughter the academic industry if it came to that. Why not loosen up a bit, something like the history channel, "History of Sex" I think that was one of their biggest draws, yes?

And as an American Indian, I would really like to know what institutions you are claiming to represent. Because quite frankly I don't know of any Tribes that are a repressed as you are representing us to be.

For everyone else, American Indians like our sex just fine, thank you very much. Please continue boinking when you are staying in the hotels next to our casinos

Patasha

when did SL stop being fun? when did these wackos start showing up thinking that SL is like a 3d newspaper? seriusly nany, get off my game.

I would first off like to know where you get this perception.

Secondly there are real world businesses operating on sl fine right now.

Third if not for those SEX businesses i suspect you would have no business on sl as they generate a lot of money for sl.

Forth, you seem to assume anything "NOT ACCEPTABLE" to you can be labelled as sex business and it makes it ok for you to condemn it.

Fiith, as a native American, i am disguised by your racist attitude and beliefs. Your the worst example of native people.

Sixth, you seem to forget, the millions of natives that died because whites thought they were different and savages!! Your no better than those people.

I get so tired of fakes claiming to be Native American. You people don't realize how easy it is to tell who is or is not Native.

With the right environment, we REAL Indians can educate the public to tell the difference, and put you fakes in the garbage where you belong.

It's an important job. It needs to be done. Real Indians need to be able to use this platform to make a real difference in their real lives.

Peoria Tribe of Indians of Oklahoma, put up or shut up NOW.

What Tribes are you representing?

Yes it is easy to tell a faker, YOU.



To catch your edit: Tribes do not NEED SL for education. What we need for education is wise stewardship of resources allocated for education. Both the Tribes that are flush at the moment with Indian Gaming receipts and tribes who have decided not to participate in gambling. Quite frankly the Peoria model pleases me greatly. Any child in the Tribe who wants to go to college GOES! as long as they maintain a decent GPA the Tribe pays. SL is media, it's not an education program. The Tribes don't need SL anymore than they would need cable TV. LEARN THAT.

Now, WHAT TRIBES ARE YOU REPRESENTING!?

God help us all if this woman teaches anything to do with native education.

THank god hawaiians are far more tolorate.

Nany, becuase someone is disgusted by your rasist views does not make them less native, it makes them more human.

Are we going to talk about the Seven drty words you can't say on television? Well part of that comes from no clear way to track any advertising you do here whether event listings, ad boards system, classifieds that are done by the highest bidder.

Would a silluette of a female from be considered to be XXX would not be in Rl for an ad for strips clubs. I have personal life experence here as it is to address the trivia question of the day as well even though it has been proven here I happen to own one on main street USA in the mild midwest city of Minniapolis,MN so the question is not if or are there any but what means do those cities really have to force them to move? If the taxes are unpaid the police responce is high and the businessmen stop coming for lunch then maybe I would move. But from every town meeting I attend in this fine city they have bigger concerns with "normal night clubs" then with mine.

Didn't we go though this native american stuff in the last set of threads? Can we keep on topic please?

I'm not quoting anyone for this post. Just have to say George W. "won" and look where he, and his policies took the U.S.A.. In the end we all lost. Not worth responding to someone who obvioulsy has thier ideas, and they are entitled to them. If one encounters this rhetoric in SL would be a simple mute and walk away. Can't do that here, so easier to ignore and pretend they haven't said anything. Responding to them is just adding fuel to thier fire.

Once again i say move me to the Adult land maybe i will encouter less of these people. But not likely, crusaders rarely recognize borders. They will likely go there and begin thier campaign on the new land the day it opens. Ahhh the joys of a free world.

This is going to happen, I have no doubt. I've said it before. Majority of my land is "pg" but I want put on the new continent so i can have the freedoms I had when I bought land in a mature sim. Please give me a list of "adult" words so i can go through and start renaming everything so LL classifies me as "adult". I suppose a bunch of trees called hardc**k will get me there. Or do I need to do more please let me know.

Dftt

hi i am a dancer on free user of sl i love the game have met many great people .i think we should check box like one person sugested yes your 18 and yes or no you want to go in to adult content. i love the adult content and other content but i think this would be a fair way of doing it with out takeing freedom away from people. after all were adults not kids. many free acount people bring things that are good in to sl as well so i think you should do this makes the most cents to every one iv talked to for give my typos

I work as a DJ at a variety of clubs, none of them sex clubs, although some of 'em are pretty sexy. No escorts, no sex pose ball sets or anything supplied or ever allowed there (despite a running gag of some staff threatening to slip orgy poses into the Intan). However, occasionally at some of 'em, we'll do the occasional Skinny Dipping Night, or a Barely There event, etc. So, does that mean they're gonna be Amster-damned to the porn ghetto b/c once or twice a month, the nightly event involves some degree of optional nudity? We're talking 1 or 2 events out of 30 (or 31, or 28 in February except in leap years--you get the idea).

Furthermore, how about streamed content? If the aforementioned example club doesn't get deported to Pervvyland, does that limit the music stream? As a DJ, do I need to be worried about getting reported if I play a request for something like Jose Nunez's "Bilingual" or Nickelback's "Next Go Round?" In short, are the regular hangouts/dance clubs and DJ's going to be resigned to hosting tea parties and playing Barry Manilow?

*fears his music hard drive will spontaneously convert to a collection of Kraft Cheese Slices if it has to suddenly be restricted to Pat Boone*

You're right, Nanny, we can tell. And you smell fake to me. And no, you can't see my CIB card.

Ok. This is gonna be a long story, but whatever, just wanna tell whats on my mind. Before I start putting in any comments considering the adult threads on this blog, let me first tell you about my SL. When I came here 2 years ago, I had the idea about being able to really experience something new, something different than real life, as an extension and even expansion of my RL. Adding just a bit of excitement and spicy sauce to the good life i already had. Of course I started out as a stripper and hostess in clubs (hey, would I ever do that in RL), just to make some lindens and have a good laugh about it with my online friends that I gathered over a short period of time (turned out all of them I still consider as RL friends) and it didn't really bother me walking around nakkie my pixel puppet on a stage seeing people around having a great time, all because it was just a fun thing to do. I ran 2 of SL's biggest strip clubs in the past, and was never critiized for anything we did there, all was just a game, a RP thing, people that came there because they felt the openess and freedom to live there hidden dreams, show their inner feelings and share them with people who felt the same. All of it within the safe boundaries of a virtual world. Nothing wrong with that...
Makes me pop the question.... WHY are we here, WHY did we ever choose to even start playing this game? Was it a search for a little addition to the bore and everyday same RL, maybe even an escape from it? Or was it based on a decision to just continue real life in just another perspective, meaning this virtual world, which has really not much to do with reality in the first place?
Well to me it was the excitement, the unpredictable adventures, the new challenges, and with that came an understanding of what I wanted to do here, what I liked, what I didn't like, and with that, places I just had to avoid, and places to go to because I loved it. And Second Life made me think about my deepest secret desires, my hidden secrets, that would've never even appear in my thoughts when not having played this game. I learned to look at my inner self, discover places in my mind, giving me insight to moral questions, and therefor enhanced my way of thinking about, and looking at issues. How far do you go, where do you, as a person, draw the line in RL and where is it in a virtual world? Questions that made me realize there is much more to learn about yourself IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO.
Look.... It's simple and easy, cause we can make our own choices. If I wanna go to a club in RL and feel I want to sit at a bar just talking to friends and feel save, I'd choose the right place for it and I'd go there. If I am looking for excitement I might even visit a strip club in Amsterdam's Red Light District... (i'm a dutch girl and adult... LOL); in RL all of that is possible, and making the choice, I would feel safe. We can make our own choices and we have to. And we can make our own choices here in SL as well.... to me it seems like with the new rules for adult content, Linden Labs is trying to treat us like we ALL aren't able to make those choices. Second Life is an adult game (can't get in under 18.... coming back to that later...*), meaning we all are adults and we know how to make these choices. To me personaly, I hate to see a child avatar in a mature club and I hate to see sex with animals, or rape actions, but if I dont wanna see it, I just dont go there... all because its just not me. Thats my personal choice. If there is anyone out there that DOES wanna see it, I'd say have ur fun, its just a puppet play, a virtual world, and we are very capable to understand this is a virtual world and dealing with any of the consequences of living it the way we want it. And we do have a voice and are very capable of saying so when things happen in our surroundings that we dont want to see happen in our malls, clubs, houses or whatever we are doing in there. Of course there are limits and of course there should be defined rules. The TOS defines them very clear and I must say, compared to my son's Playstation games, other online virtual worlds, or movie and TV content, the SL TOS already covers a lot of good rules to make people understand what we really can and want to do here. And feeling safe as well.
Going onto the PG and Mature issue, I wonder why Linden Labs would want to "ban" all so called adult activities to a closed sim, shutting people out to making their own choices while living in a free world in RL, being very much capable of making such choices. We have the Second Life teenager version for our kids, as well as many other places young teenagers can go to online when wanting to start a virtual game (Them, Habbo Hotel, etc, etc). We have Parental Advice rules, and they are very much applied to SL as well, we have ratings for content in RL games, movies and TV shows. And since SL was to be only accessible for adults, there should NOT be an exception to what we do in here. It is the open society, the peronal choices that we make in here, the search for just that little extras than what we have in RL that makes this game so wonderful, so challenging, so thrilling and of course so relaxing, adding extra delight in understanding ourselves to what we have in RL.
Oh my.... To Linden Labs (and some more people on SL) I'd like to say this: please think about the reason why you are here, do you consider this game as your RL or just an addition to it? To me it occurs Linden Labs is crossing the line when it comes to judging people when banning those personal choices. This is certainly not my idea of feeling free in real life, let alone playing an online game with a pixel puppet in a virtual world.
The only problem that Linden Labs experiences is some negative publicity in the press, being afraid to lose players. Of course this is not a good thing, and I am very well aware of the consequences and law rules, as well as Linden Labs needing to stay in continuous development of a rather new technique, giving people worldwide a chance to share lives. But still, since I started 2 years ago, the people daily online numbers in the inlog screen has doubled ever since (too bad they took out the number of players that has registered for the game, all for the alts probably, but whatever, the alts also have their own personalities and lives -as well as L$ spendings - ...so what you ashamed of .... hehe).
Oh well... guess I will have to come up with an alternative solution to the problem then huh? *smiles. Its not so hard, there's a million of websites out on the internet doing a great job registering adult content only, just by a few clicks away being able to filter adults from kids, based on credit card, paypal, or any other information available. Hey, why not first look into all the possibilties out there before banning 90% of the SL community and all its wonderful freedom that comes with it?
And to the few "real" kids that manage to log in, there's just my message to their parents; start watching your kids when they go online, make sure your PC is secured, and teach them well about what is going on in this world of information that is provided for us on all possible media channels.
Look.... If I am washing my dishes I look around the corner wall of my kitchen every minute to see them sitting watching the latest Shrek video instead of the violence in Call Of Duty or any other movie or TV prgram that might have a negative effect on their journey to maturity. And to be honest, I think THAT's where the responsibility is; parents need to watch there kids. It's not you guys at Linden Labs; we love you for what you did for us making SL such a wonderful place to be, so consider more effective ways to make sure to have only adult people accessing this world instead of banning all its residents to a place they really dont want to be in, based on undefinable restrictions and moral considerations, which are so personal and unique. Ooooo I'd feel so happy if you did that... and well... ok... maybe a lil proud even ... *smiles... With Love, Lammy

you know as well as I do that per Pratchetts Law any song stored on any media for long enough morphs into "Best of Queen"

I like this idea too. Let people self filter when joining. "Yes, I am over 18 and would like to see all the 'offensive' material you can shove down my connection" or "No, I am not over 18 or I am offended by acts of sex and/or violence"... From that moment on the avatar is either given full access to the whole wonderful mess, or they are locked down onto Disneyfied lands. Don't put the onus on the people who have been living the SL for years, put it on the new players when they join.

We know visual filtering works, with the current mute, so why not but an additional bit on objects/textures when they are created, a MA or PG bit, if an object has a prim or texture where the bit is MA then it gets visual filtered from people who made themselves PG only when they joined. PG land could also be scripted to check for MA bits when someone tp's in or something is rez'd. If the bit it set it gets muted. Grandfathering wouldn't really work in this case, but in a few years, the amount of 'old' material would begin to drop anyway.

@Sindy-
Sorry about hammering on Nanny, just tired of her using my ethnicity as her shield to deflect criticism.

/me high-fives Arcadian, should we ask for roll numbers?

It's CDIB. Anyone can verify my enrollment with the Cherokee Nation using my avatar name.

My family is Old Settler, McDaniel. My grandmother was born in Tahlequah. Her mother's allotment was in Verdigris. I was born to a war clan.

I am representing all tribes and all Indian people. See for yourself. Virtual Worlds Best Practices in Education, this Friday.

should have got off your skank ass and done this yourself if you didnt want someone else speaking for you, enit.

So, Nanny.. you deteriorate into that kind of ad hominem against your own people. you just zeroed out any kind of respect anyone may have had for you.

Go back under your bridge.

Nany - Come on up to Miami and spout this to any of the Tribes on 8 Tribes Trail, we will be happy to show you the door. YOU DON'T represent us. We are just doing fine without the likes of your minstrel show. And please, Cherokee Nation.. sigh.

When and where is this forum?

@Blonden is this really the language we are looking for in here

For anyone else keeping track. Other than herself, 100% of those identifying themselves as American Indians/Hawaiian Islanders who have responded to Nany have refuted her statements of representing our thought/feelings regarding this subject. I feel it's safe to say she does not represent the ideals of North American Aboriginal Peoples in SL.

So to recap. Nany doesn't like naughty thoughts or images or words except when she uses them to insult others. The rest of the Native contingent loooooves being awash with sex. Ship us to porntopia.

Patasha

as a Kanaka Maoli i can clearly state i don't want you representing me or any other hawaiian!!!!

so your right to profit trumps our right to free and open creativity. Hmm... where would we be with out the creative minds of the world?