Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Actually many species of animals have established cultures handed down from generation to generation. What they don't have is the ability to write.

What Linden Labs has proposed here will do nothing about that. That stuff is already against the Terms of Service, and they don't stop it now, so why do you think they'll magically start stopping it after the Adult Diaspora?

The PG continent solution is so smart. You click YES to PG continent and u are done.

You could even click PG, Mature and Adult. Although I don't want to be the one to decide what is Mature vs. Adult.

I just Age Verified. I don't understand it. How does anyone know? It's not even in my profile?

Click on her name. A pulldown will come up. Click on the link to her profile. On the right hand side near the top of the profile page will be a link to block all posts by that person.

Oh, that's the larval stage. It'll turn into "the best of Queen" once it pupates.


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Of course, I know it is SL, not RL. Of course, I know they can do whatever they want, and you can take it or leave it.

That does not mean customers don't have a right. There are consumer rights in doing business with internet providers or virtual-world providers.

Just because a company provides free service does not mean they can do whatever they want. The TV station is a good example where they provide free service to broadcast their air waves to your home, but it does not mean they can do whatever they want, or the consumers cannot voice their concerns.

On the contrary, it is precisely the free service TV station provides to the consumers that the government regulates what they can and cannot do, much more so than the cable/satellite TV companies who are supported by paid customers.

So the argument that a company can do whatever they want only happens in the dreamworld. In the real world, they are bound by consumer behaviors.

To fight it in court is a waste of time and money on both parties. No one really wins in court battles. The smart move is to look at the business model and see what works and what doesn't work in the real world of how to operate a company that will get a win-win solution.

The analogy is not just limited to Nazi but reflected in the history of the US where the same happened to the Native Americans who were forced to migrate to concentrated areas we called "Indian Reservations", just because those who are in power can get away with doing so. It is a form of oppression in grand scale, even though most people don't want to re-examine our past behaviors in history.

If you want to see another real world example, the proposal to create the .xxx top-level domain name in the internet to put all the adult websites into a "concentrated" domain area never worked in RL, and it is dead in the water. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.xxx

It is no different from LL trying to regulate and put all adult places into one place.

Why is .xxx dead? Because the international community had realized plainly it would not do what it was supposed to regulate. .xxx is merely a political fantasy of regulation, but would do nothing to the adult business in the real world.

If LL has learned any lesson, they should learn it from .xxx lesson in the real world that it simply won't work as they thought it might, except shooting themselves in the foot the second time.

Nany? Is that you?

Would you please care to elaborate? I'd venture to say that the anti- "sex industry" people have done far more damage in this forum than what any group of reasonable people who don't want to see freedom curtailed in this manner could ever do.

So which came first, "Mamma Mia" or "Bohemian Rhapsody"?

THANKYOU!! <3333

Okay, yeah, it's Nany.

great, now i gotta ignore that clone too! >.o

I'm just saying Linden Lab might have a problem with people deciding they don't like the way the place looks. Everyone keeps saying if you don't like it just leave. And I'm saying that is probably what is happening.

Lol- shows you that you're are extremely ignorant, and people should either mute you for being "educationally sub-normal" or simply ignore you. For the record, the Mall i have on Mainland has been there since 3.25 years (Jan 06)....and has never ever used Campers ever...not a single one! If your mundane sim(s) can ever reach its 3rd year...i would be extremely surprised....meanwhile enjoy feeding LL coffers with equivilant mortgage type payments- rofl

For years, in fact since I have started renting land from my once single sim, I have had one thing always on the land rental agreement.

"The SIM is PG, should you choose to have adult content on your land, (eg private rooms, goods and or services) they must not be visitable from casually passing people. Sounds or chat from such areas must not extend beyond your parcel boundry. If your parcel contains adult material, then your parcel must be marked as mature."

This put some pretty tough building restrictions on owners, yet I have had only two complaints in almost 4 years. Leaving the renters to regulate themselves has worked well. Why not give them better tools to do just that? Allow them to mark their parcel adult, institute prims or ways to block cameras and sounds around a targeted area. This last would make most residencs very happy.

Just my 2 cents...

and you forgot to add you have a long waiting list of folks wanting to rent at your Mall as its a busy Mall.

Just wanted to add that as u forgot

Everyone posting to this thread, no matter what their position on the Adult Continent, should probably vote for Gigs Taggart's proposal: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-205

Great, I knew someone else had to think the way I was... But is it too logical?

Great idea and i have voted thanks for posting the link and i got the wife to vote as well

A large percentage of the SL User base is unaware of the upcoming Adult Content changes. In the last week I have received 2 LL surveys on how my user experience is when logging in. Its obvious they could be doing the same with a message about the changes with a link to this forum. This will affect everyone. Mainland or Private Estates. Paid or Free Accounts. Landowners/Non-landowners. Interesting that they choose not to inform everyone so more voices can be heard and that everyone understands just exactly what is coming down the road.

Bored. So I popped over to Pervz to see if the place was still there. Yes indeed. I smile remembering how I and a couple GFs went there to check out the 'Dolcett' Toaster. I laugh again now as we laughed at the time - each of us giving it a go. One of the girls was definitely not into BDSM. She simply rolled her eyes as we took our turns - making jokes at the ghastly scripted chat (no mod).

The reason why we laughed is because...it was not real...in the same way that most funny jokes are not real - they are stories, shadows or mirrors of reality that we can look at without going blind - concepts as distinguished from reality itself. Obviously, none of us would wish to come into contact with a REAL toaster. I doubt anyone could bear the site of such a thing in RL. We laughed and played with it in SL precisely because it was NOT real. It was a joke.

If people can no longer understand the difference between fantasy and reality, between abstract and concrete, between photo and flesh, then we have a serious social problem. To confuse a metaphorical toaster made of prims and particles with a real toaster made of steel and plastic - to confuse an avatar with a flesh and blood human being - is, quite frankly, a sign of mental illness.

If by that you mean that the majority have the decision-making capacity in Second Life, I'm sorry but I don't agree. Linden Lab are the sole decision-making authority for the virtual world of Second Life, and they choose to delegate some parts of that to Private sim owners. Saying something does not make it true, no matter how much we would like it to be...

I look at it a different way - they aren't moving PEOPLE they are moving BUSINESSES. People that want to visit those business will need to visit that place. Look: This is not a segregation of people but of businesses. All the cries of apartheid, Godwinisms and the like just plain don't apply, because this is not about any attribute of a person, from what they have said. If a Linden has said this applies specifically to people (and contrary to a previous rather condescending dismissal of my points, I HAVE read all the posts in this thread) then I'd like to be pointed to that, please.

Funny how everyone is accusing LL of segregation with this action, and demanding their rights to be able to do what they want where they want in SL. Well, it's already there - PG and Mature regions. You can't go into a PG region and run around naked in public. Come on people, where are your god-given freedoms? (sarcasm intended).

You can't grief someone, you can't harass them, you can't run a casino, you can't do Adult things on PG land. All of these have been put in place by LL at one time or another and SL is still functioning..

Brilliant. Voted.

YES!
GOOD!
You could even have this done automatically. Have a database full of mature sims and if the name comes up it disregards the AR.

Robert, I absolutely agree with you - they really do need to do this, and get more people involved in the discussion - I even proposed the poll they could post a few thousand posts ago.... If the consequences are as severe as some on this forum think it would be, then LL need to know that by polling ALL the residents, not the vocal minority on the forum.

It's plain to me that they are not going to be swayed by ANY arguments made by this small group, no matter how many times, or how stringently it gets repeated. If enough people vote that they would leave SL if LL did this, or spend significantly less money then that might force them to think again, because that goes against their pocket books. LL has got to be concerned as to its revenue base, and a mass exodus, if it is going to happen, would have to be a wake-up call.

In what way? The fact that a popular venue attracts 40 avatars and crashes a sim isn't the fault of the club owner. what are they supposed to do? Make the club *less* popular? Turn away patronage? become lame?

There is nothing "unfair" in using sim resources in proportion to the traffic that you attract. People in business have to expand as they can afford to. It's silly to say "Buy an island if you want to have 40 customers by yourself" *Every* business owner, adult or not, wants that!

BY creating a "club district", and forcibly relocating adult businesses there, LL is guaranteeing that *none* of them will have the resources they need to be successful. Can you imagine 4 successful 1/4 sim clubs shoehorned into the same sim? because that is what this situation is looking like.

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