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Bambi Newall
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03-28-2009 14:46
From: NDN Andel
";(anytime you go to sexland, you'll have to face nothing but flying cocks and boobs everywhere you walk, and nobody willing to 'pause' or be 'discreet' with what they're doing just for you)."

wow. I can see why LL would want to mark that place off.

So you are a frequent visitor of the adult businesses. If it offended you, why in the world did you go there in the first place?

So now, all the adult places are in one place, you don't even have to search for them to be totally pervert yourself into engaging these immoral behaviors, and no one will find out except Linden. Your ID is recorded by them, and send to your wife.
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03-28-2009 14:47
From: Bambi Newall
LL is effectively impose an involuntarily mass migration of anyone they deemed dislike to the concentration camp.

They are forcing people to move involuntarily. Get it?


Are you party to what LL has decided and have not told anyone else yet and personally i find your comparison to a concentration camp offensive. If it really upsets you to this degree i would suggest perhaps leaving. Remember you agreed to the rules when you started and to compare what is happening here to the horrors of war is just plain moronic.

I looked at your profile do you run an adult business that will be affected or do you find drawing parallels to RL atrocities a sensible way to convey your views? Just wondering :)
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Katheryne Helendale
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03-28-2009 14:49
From: Draghan Marksman
As a non-native English speaker, I'd like help on some words I can't really understand concerning the whole issue.

I have read many times here Lindens repeating that "teens won't be allowed on SL, it's not scheduled, it's not a project ..etc..."

OK

I know my English is not that good but... even with the Webster in hand , i have troubles with three expressions :

-PG = parental guidance... so... it means, if i am correct, that, as an adult , I must ask my parents (my mother is 80) to go there... I see no other logical explanation because there are no teens on SL... so who are those that need parental guidance ???

I am lost ...

-Mature = old ... ok ... so this will be for "old" adults then ??? Over what age ??? 40 ?? 50 ??
Because there are no teens on SL ... by definition it is an adult game and the Lindens said many times there was no merging planned with the teen grid....

???

I am confused ....

-Adult ...... Are there adults non adult ??? Yes because it seemed to me that Lindens insisted there are no teens on SL and no merging intended... so who are the adult adults ??? 0.o

.... ok , I 'll get my Prozac.... and some aspirin.... and some lexomil too just in case ..
Trust me - there are plenty of native-English speakers here trying to figure out the same thing! ;)
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Fudgey Jenkins
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03-28-2009 14:52
has anyone brought up the fact that they are probably thinking of merging the teen grid do to lack of users?

I dunno found that interesting.. so a pg world has already died?

I still dont think linden is thinking of banning adult content, it would kill sl, but what i hear daily are people thinking this is really a ban on adult content all together.. alot of people are thinking this is a removal of adult content from everywhere on sl.. please PLEASE stop spreading this, it is not a total ban!!
Rene Erlanger
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03-28-2009 15:01
From: Puppet Shepherd
Even as a PG-business owner, this information is useful - I would like to get an idea of how many of my customers might leave SL altogether if they find themselves restricted from accessing adult content. Also, I am starting to wonder how many of my customers make their shopping money through adult-oriented activities, because if they no longer are able to make their money, they won't be spending it with me, either.

Will this have a broader impact that many of us can imagine right now? Will vast swaths of current mainland become even emptier because people take off and leave, either for the new continent, or for estates, or out of SL altogether? Even if the new policies aren't going to be as restrictive as some imagine, there's so little information out there, and some people will overreact and bail without knowing what's really going to happen.



Ahh, you're beginning to suss it out!
This proposed policy effects every part of the economy.....if you cut your target audience, means less traffic, less visitors to your shops, less sales........Tiers remain constant however!

Went over to Nany's sim....it was bland to say the least! Can't imagine many people wanting to spend much time on SIM's like that.....better off watching TV or playing WoW.
Nany's sim is part of a region that has 14 sims in what looks like either educational or RL company sims...when i was over there i was the only person on that 14 region estate.!!! Later on that evening i mapped it....it had a total of 3 green dots! I hope the SIM owners enjoy paying their Tiers (even at their reduced rates) for the lack of audience they are getting.....my guess most of these sims won't be around in a year or 2 time.

If this is the future.....you're going to see a lot of ghost towns or even ghost regions! Very sad indeed!
Bambi Newall
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03-28-2009 15:03
From: Lord Sullivan
Are you party to what LL has decided and have not told anyone else yet and personally i find your comparison to a concentration camp offensive. If it really upsets you to this degree i would suggest perhaps leaving. Remember you agreed to the rules when you started and to compare what is happening here to the horrors of war is just plain moronic.

I looked at your profile do you run an adult business that will be affected or do you find drawing parallels to RL atrocities a sensible way to convey your views? Just wondering :)

It is an intellectual exercise. If we don't learn from history, we are not human. Only human learns from history. Other animals don't have the intellect to do that.

So how does intellectual self-examination of our own human behavior moronic? Something is missing here.

Putting all the adult business involuntarily in one place is a concentration camp. No country in the real world would force relocate all the adult business in a concentrated area like that.
Ciaran Laval
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03-28-2009 15:08
If they verify alts on the back of a main being verified (and really, it's silly that they don't) then there will be a lot more avatars with PIOF status and therefore verified.

The PG continent however must happen, there is absolutely no reason for it not to other than LL being pigheaded over this because they didn't think of it. The current status of PG next to mature already leads to situations where PG is meaningless, so now LL have the chance to introduce this, they don't need to change current sims but they can offer people the choice of moving to a PG continent.

I really don't mind the adult continent, they just shouldn't be forcing anyone to move there, migration will happen if LL leave it as a matter of choice.
Aeslyn Dae
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03-28-2009 15:17
From: Valerius Constantine
I thought that we were only talking about the worst of the worst, Blondin. Since when is "overtly sexual" considered on the same level with "crunchy decapitations"?

Until there is a standard issued from LL, nobody will have any idea whether they can live with it. Until they know whether they can live with it, they don't know if they'll stay or go, and until they know whether they'll stay or go, LL won't have any idea how such a change will affect their bottom line.

*FAR* easier to create a new *PG* continent and harshly enforce the community standard. That makes it "predictable" for corporate, the sensitive, and the new. Start folks there, and allow them to branch out as *they* wish. implement client-side content filters, and *voluntary* flagging for landowners to match. and Yes, if it's that big a deal, require some sort of payment info on file, but allow paypal, pre-pay cards, etc. to preserve anonymity.

Of course, if you set things up where you could tie several alts to the same account, that would solve a lot of problems too.


Absolutely right and worth a requote.

This is so *utterly* obviously the most sensible way to handle the situation. It's simply inexplicable why LL would tie themselves, all of us and the Grid in knots trying to sort out the bafflingly convoluted (and in my opinion, frankly unworkable) system they appear to be hell bent upon, instead of the simpler, saner option as you've outlined.

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Valerius Constantine
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03-28-2009 15:18
From: Patasha Marikh
I like this idea too. Let people self filter when joining. "Yes, I am over 18 and would like to see all the 'offensive' material you can shove down my connection" or "No, I am not over 18 or I am offended by acts of sex and/or violence"... From that moment on the avatar is either given full access to the whole wonderful mess, or they are locked down onto Disneyfied lands. Don't put the onus on the people who have been living the SL for years, put it on the new players when they join.


SL is already limited to those over 18. A checkbox when signing up, and an option or two in "preferences would solve this whole issue nicely.

I.E. a *client-based solution*.

-V-
Rene Erlanger
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03-28-2009 15:19
I just had a wicked thought.....if say the 5 or 6 of biggest Estate companies in SL banded together to create their own 250 sim Adult Region...first there is better control in terms of Estate Tools for that sim, plus AV limits could be set higher than Mainland's 40, better terrain, better SIM design, better mangement of making sure that you don't have 3 clubs on the same sim and lag the death out of it. (say a mix 1 club and then mostly shops or adult resident homes)..........would be fun to see LL left with a near deserted Adult Continent with a lack of tiers collection and downgrading to Basic membership ......can get some of their own medicine they have been dishing out the last 2 years!
Lord Sullivan
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03-28-2009 15:24
From: Bambi Newall
It is an intellectual exercise. If we don't learn from history, we are not human. Only human learns from history. Other animals don't have the intellect to do that.

So how does intellectual self-examination of our own human behavior moronic? Something is missing here.

Putting all the adult business involuntarily in one place is a concentration camp. No country in the real world would force relocate all the adult business in a concentrated area like that.


Its not an intellectual exercise in my opinion, its a company exercise from a company that has lost touch with its customers and the only history to be learnt from is LL history and the way it treats its customers. This is NOT RL its a game played on LL servers and they make the rules by which we play. Whats so hard to understand about that? If your Telephone company or ISP starts charging you to much you go and find a better deal, except atm LL is the only real player in the big picture.

Its not about rights or civil liberties or human rights the only laws involved are consumer laws and if you feel that LL has broken any then take them to court.

Your last line sums it up for me. This is not a real country in the real world its a game, a fantasy world where whether we like it not LL makes the rules and if we don't like them, we can complain and then if we do not get the desired result from LL we can leave and go do do some RL instead its that simple :)
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03-28-2009 15:25
From: electroRogue Fizzle
So , now "as asked" to define what should be adult ? The sex industry should also avoid using Adult terms while trying to define it. I'm sorry if I've misinterpreted that , but doesn't that seem a little unrealistic to you ?

Please don't feed the alt of the troll.
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03-28-2009 15:26
From: electroRogue Fizzle
So , now "as asked" to define what should be adult ? The sex industry should also avoid using Adult terms while trying to define it. I'm sorry if I've misinterpreted that , but doesn't that seem a little unrealistic to you ?

From: Uriel Wheeler
That may be - but that doesn't make the rest of us, who aren't part of the sex industry but support freedom, any less right.

From: 23rdDjin Negulesco
hmmm... dunno as far as "anarchy" goes, but it definitely describes to a 't' the leader and the "democracy" i'd previously lived under for eight years...

From: Bambi Newall
If the priests molest children, then you should keep all children from churches.

Priests are sociopath too, don't forget!

You should filter all the words that come out of the pastor's sermon to keep our children safe too.

It is insane and absurd to think such control freak behavior ever work in RL.

If it doesn't work in RL, why do you think it works in SL? Hitler

Who is more dangerous, Hitler or sociopath?

Please don't feed the alt of the troll.
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Ciaran Laval
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03-28-2009 15:27
What's happened to Blondin by the way, have the "I am Adult content" group kidnapped him and held him for ransom?
Nany Kayo
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03-28-2009 15:29
From: Rene Erlanger
Ahh, you're beginning to suss it out!
This proposed policy effects every part of the economy.....if you cut your target audience, means less traffic, less visitors to your shops, less sales........Tiers remain constant however!

Went over to Nany's sim....it was bland to say the least! Can't imagine many people wanting to spend much time on SIM's like that.....better off watching TV or playing WoW.
Nany's sim is part of a region that has 14 sims in what looks like either educational or RL company sims...when i was over there i was the only person on that 14 region estate.!!! Later on that evening i mapped it....it had a total of 3 green dots! I hope the SIM owners enjoy paying their Tiers (even at their reduced rates) for the lack of audience they are getting.....my guess most of these sims won't be around in a year or 2 time.

If this is the future.....you're going to see a lot of ghost towns or even ghost regions! Very sad indeed!


They are nonprofit institutions. The sims are mainly used for meetings.

Personally, I like having a whole landscaped sim to myself. I'm going to buy two or three more.

I don't like the way your shops look, either. I mean, skins? More skins? It's the same old boring junk you can find all over SL in another ugly, unimaginitive little mall. The only people there are campers.
Sindy Tsure
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03-28-2009 15:29
From: Fudgey Jenkins
has anyone brought up the fact that they are probably thinking of merging the teen grid do to lack of users?

Could be.. They're really not saying, though.

From: Fudgey Jenkins
I still dont think linden is thinking of banning adult content, it would kill sl..

We've heard _totally_ conflicting info from LL on who will be forced to move, we've heard almost zero info on the mechanics of how the move will work and nothing about what the lag situation will be there.

From my point of view, they're taking on a huge task and have, apparently, per the wiki, put a lot of work into it already but they've got nothing, NOTHING, in the way of details that help residents know what's going to happen or help residents judge the impact it.

So, they may not be planning to destroy most of the adult industry but so far it's looking like that's what's going to happen anyway.
Nany Kayo
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03-28-2009 15:32
Ghost regions sound pretty good, actually. To me, it sounds something like protected land, a place to ride horses.
Grady Vuckovic
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03-28-2009 15:32
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03-28-2009 15:34
From: NDN Andel
Too many people don't like the looks of SL so they don't come here is probably exactly why Linden Lab is doing this.
Alas, the question of whether a build is ugly is not a function of whether it's X, Y, or Z rated. :p
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03-28-2009 15:38
From: Ciaran Laval
What's happened to Blondin by the way, have the "I am Adult content" group kidnapped him and held him for ransom?


Bound and gagged in a dungeon somewhere on the grid lol
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Grady Vuckovic
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03-28-2009 15:39
I can just see it now, Blondin coming back wearing fishnet stockings and long hair, heels, lipstick. "I've had a change of mind. PG Continent it is!"
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03-28-2009 15:40
From: Grady Vuckovic
So are popup ads. Solution. POPUP BLOCKER! :D Doesn't remove the popup, but stops you seeing it. Excellent yes?
Popup ads are a bigger problem on the internet than porn. The latest variations of them can't be blocked by a popup blocker because they pop up inside the page you're looking at, and keep popping up.

I think you're way out of line for comparing something as innocent as porn with a real problem like popups or spam.
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Sindy Tsure
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03-28-2009 15:41
From: Ciaran Laval
What's happened to Blondin by the way, have the "I am Adult content" group kidnapped him and held him for ransom?

That's usually a sign that they've stopped paying attention and will soon thank us for participating in the discussion and for all our feedback, which they will promise to read, and then lock the thread until they feel like telling us that they will do exactly what most people asked they not do..
Fudgey Jenkins
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03-28-2009 15:43
is there a way to block all posts by nany? I really wish someone would censor her =P

she is the most, selfish, full of herself person i have ever seen. i used to be on the side of the native Americans, thinking we kinda moved in and took over their land, but now i really don't care about them, i feel like burning everything in my house that even resembles something native American.

nany, get the hell over yourself.
NDN Andel
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03-28-2009 15:44
From: Argent Stonecutter
Alas, the question of whether a build is ugly is not a function of whether it's X, Y, or Z rated. :p


The builds you can kind of get away from. You can just not go to Torley's sim, for example. The problem would be the stuff that comes to you no matter where you go.