Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Ok, so I made it thru the shockwave, I grieved, I cried, and I've sulked which got me no where.

So let's move on to the Solutions on how to make this move that IS going to happen something we can all live with. With any kind of move like this there has to be a transition period. A time when all parties involved get used to said changes. Especially in this case where it's going to be enforced whether we like it or not. At this point it isn't IF this will happen but for all of us its now the WHEN this will happen?

My suggestions to linden labs to make this as smooth transition as possible by showing good faith to all of us.

1) Keeping the Adult grid for a timed transition period open still for ALL. Yes, everyone with the same access to the mature mainland as it is now. This helps on many angles, shows all just how bad or how good this new grid is before just closing the doors and giving up. Will allow others to see for themselves if its going to be the "ghetto". This open access will also help the transition of rebuilding, hiring builders, creators, land developers, etc.. if thats the case. Some of us will need to hire builders or landscapers again. Not everyone can build their dream castle. This will also give those that are undecided a chance to comply with good faith. A see for themselves if its worth staying for.

2) Land trade offs. one for one. Even trade for our lands from the mainlands to Adult lands that we have invested great deal of money and time in building. The land would be return to LL's of our mainlands for resale. No higher charge of tier due to complying during this transition. Example.. I own 1/2 sims on the mainland, yet I have to move to a 1/2 adult sims which for that month mean I have a full sims and tier doubles. No no, taboo.

3) For all those that move to the Adult lands with a request and a show of good faith within a certain time frame "One month or more of FREE tier payments". Since we are ALL, especially those in the business side will be dealing with an enormous time consuming and possibly even big money issues and loss at the very beginning.

4) Deals for those business's worried about sharing a sims with other clubs to own a full Adult sims. Land trade offs with a value towards an owning the whole. Example would be for those of use that over a 2 year period now own over half a mainland sims now having a chance to use their land to trade towards a full sims on adult mainland or a private sims altogether.

5) Without a fee by linden labs an offering to move all that is on our mainlands to our new adult lands. This will probably be one of the hardest task. Is it even possible? Can LL's copy and paste our business's on the new land? This would save enormous amount of time and frustration.

I can't see how this transitional phase will work without both sides, Linden labs and us the consumers, complying and in showing good faith help each other out. Reward us, help us, save us. Show us you want to help by meeting us half way. Lindens I ask that you step forward and show us you are willing to take the financial hit with us. Prove to us you will not hide behind the iron curtain any more but stand proudly beside us during this transitional phase.

This can happen if we work together as a team. And that team being LL's and each and everyone of us. I don't want to lose my business dream, my friends, my home. I don't want to close my doors. I don't want to take a big financial hit because to be honest I can't afford it. Linden labs, I know you don't want the financial hit of losing so many. Work with us please!

Of course I know the dictator will do whatever they want. Is there any doubt?

If you think that people didn't leave after the open sim fiasco, why did LL took down the economic stat and island count web page? Did we not find out LL took a nose dive from that day on? Read the other post on how many island LL had lost every day.

People leave when there is a loss of trust. People leave because there is no money to be made in SL. That is reality check.

Have you read his books?
theres more sex in one suppermarket romance novel then 5 books from his gorean sieries combined!!!!!
As for the slavery in his books its a sub theme you can and would find more of a slavery theme in fiction novel about ancent Rome.

I'm not getting it, what part of the word "FICTION" you guys don't understand and find inappropriate, on Gorean or any other kind of role play. Really.

Do you think people are so brainless to be warned of "Monster Adults". Hadn't your mom taught you as a kid? Are you not an adult now to know the difference without having a warning label put in the forehead?

OMG, LL is reducing us to a moron!

I agree, i first joined this game thinking, oh wow i can do anything to my hearts content, now its the 1940s all over again and Adolf linden wants to restrict us from that because of a few whiny people who are like "Lets go to places that obviously say has adult content so we can complain about it and have our own way !!!", Im sorry but its just ridiculous, that a few people who can't read and complain about things being too obvious and telling you what to expect, can make linden labs go and do stuff like this ...especially asking for your identity number as if that isn't risky enough, at least for an online game...

My gut tells me that the central theme/attraction of the region or parcel isn't going to matter much except to those who are offended by *pictures*. If people don't want to see a titty, then a titty is going to offend them whether it is for sale, rent, or simply on display.

Try telling a naturist that their body is "Adult content" and must be banished.

TRy dealing with the naturist who is offended by the sex trade, or by gunfights.

This is a *giant* can of worms that LL is opening, and it's going to be *titanically* messy, no matter *how* they do it, unless it is a *voluntary* change to a *PG* continent for the people who *want* to be protected.

Anything else is going to be a disaster

-V-

Exactly, LL doesn't seem to know the difference between fake and reality.

I find Dulcett disgusting and morally depraved.

Now, having said that, I'm going to admit that, up to now, I had never even heard of it, let alone encountered it. The only logical conclusion I can reach from that is, if these people exist in SL, then they have done a remarkable job keeping their beliefs out of my face, unlike some people at the other end of the moral scale.

I am not going to try to pretend that I haven't judged the people who are into this sort of thing; I wouldn't be human if I didn't. But, as nobody is being physically harmed, at least in the context of SL, and no RL laws are being broken by simply acting it out in a virtual world, I respect and defend their right to be here.

Hey! That's highly offensive to those of us who were morons before coming to SL!

Oni, I understand and respect fiction. I *know* that it is roleplay. However, I have had some bad experiences in RL that lead me to get the creepy-crawlies when some "Gorean master wannabe" tries to include me in his game by humiliating his "girl" in public, or when some woman, referring to herself as "girl" does the "Nadu shuffle" while I'm shopping for a new outfit (or even "Sensations parts".

I'm not a part of their game, I don't want to be, and there's no earthly reason why I *ought* to be, when there are plenty of other goreans to play with. I don't think that it is too much to ask that when in a public place/non-RP area, that Goreans mingle with, and act like, everyone else.

After all, I don't run around biting people willy-nilly, and I detest "mosquitos" who *do*. If I can control myself and limit my sanguinary adventures to IM and appropriate areas, then why can't Goreans do the same?

That's really all I ever ask, and when met with hostility, I respond in kind. When met with Courtesy, I respond to *that* in kind as well.

-V-

+1

Too many people don't like the looks of SL so they don't come here is probably exactly why Linden Lab is doing this.

Welcome to the united states of america- In my geographical location, the strip clubs are almost *all* on a main street. same thing for the massage parlors and sex shops.

They are in the *commercial* districts, rather that the residential sections, but then it's an urban area. the point is, it's treated as a *business*, albeit one that is zoned in such a way that it can't be within certain distance of a school or church (and to be fair, a school or church may not move within a certain distance of one and then claim that they are violating the law either).

Strip clubs are also advertised on billboards along the freeway, complete with risque photos of scantily clad dancers and suggestive comments, albeit without nudity and actual profanity.

And *that* is in one of the most repressed, uptight and child obsessed places on the *planet*.

So, why should SL get "babyproofed" to an even *greater* degree than RL?


-V-

It is crazy that people really think that engaging into any of these activities will endanger the society and corrupt the moral.

The EXACT OPPOSITE is true, even though it is counter-initutive.

There are studies after studies in scientific research that showed exactly the opposite.

EXAMPLE: People think that these violent video games would make kids violent.
FACT: Studies have shown kids reduce their violent level and calm them down after playing those video games.
WHY? Because they were allowed to vent their anger on some harmless virtual character.
RESULT: Kids don't have to hit other kids to relieve their frustration.

Same thing in your therapist's office, when they ask you to do an anger workout to hit the pillow. Then you won't have to hit your wife.

THE REALITY: SL allows people to vent their pant up unexpressed emotions in RL, and virtual reality allow them to let go of them in role play, just like in the therapist office when your therapist asked you to role play the unexpressed emotions.

THE RESULT: SL allows people function properly in the real world, when they express their repression in the virtual world, when it doesn't hurt any REAL people.

So think again, when you made all those assumptions about morality and righteous condemnation.

PS: you may need to do an anger workout in SL to relieve your panted up frustration for being a hypocrite in RL.

Of course, I don't like Gorean role play either, its just my personal quirk. The deal is, the gorean master wannabe can't force you to take part on his pseudo role play that he is doing on a public shop, now can he?

That's the thing, no one forces you, you come across someone mentally poor who disrespects you at that point, well, click over his profile, hit the mute button and walk away. It's simple as that, you'll not have to deal with the person ever again!

Generalizing the whole Roleplay/BDSM/Clubs/Cultures/Whatsoever to say they are all the same and try to exile them away from the rest of SL. Okay, thats the right thing to do then?

panted up? LOL

Flying penises and screaming objects don't actully force anyone to do anything either. They just make it unpleasant to be here.

I think that if you use that standard, you are going to depopulate a *lot* more than 2%-4% of mainland.

-V-

No there is never any doubt in mind that LL, the company will whatever they wish, tho i always hope that they will listen, but i am not a share holder with LL so i doubt that will happen anytime soon.

I didn't say that people didn't leave after the OS fiasco, what i said was probably less left than was anticipated, just like after every bombshell they drop, but i still see the most vocal opponents in the forums shouting down LL latest plan before aall the details are finalised and yes i read and followed the OS problem as we owned them, but after it all we sold the island dropped the OS's we owned and moved back to the mainland saving 250 USD a month and just have one mainland sim now.

Yes i saw they took the stats page down, does it worry me, not really as any stats can be manipulated to suit the needs.

Yes people leave when there is a loss of trust, but so far i have not lost any trust in LL as for me its a business arrangement i pay for my server space here just as i pay for my servers that i own for my RL business and in return i agreed to abide by LL rules when i started, knowing they could change at anytime. I have rules on my site which i reserve the right to change at anytime with my members, just as facebook, myspace and all the other countless social networking sites out there, so why would LL be any different?

I disagree with the way it is being done totally with the forced move, if that path is taken, i hope that LL re thinks, but perhaps this is the best way they have without making everyone here to verify to play. But i think LL is taking back the controls of its product which it lost in 2006 when the floodgates opened and SL expanded to fast and now they want to put some safety mechanisms back in place as they lost control and those that now want adult will have to do PIOF or whatever LL decides they have to do to access it.

SL was never a platform to make countless L$ for every person in my opinion and anyone that thinks its a cash cow, well i wish them the greatest success. SL is more than making a few L$ for me anyway and when i feel LL has lost its shine then i will leave as well via the backdoor and without a fuss either

I thought the problem was that we're panted down. !

So are popup ads. Solution. POPUP BLOCKER! Doesn't remove the popup, but stops you seeing it. Excellent yes?

Why shouldn't people have the right to grief anyone they want? Where is the freedom?

So you come to SL because you can sneak into those "adult" places without getting caught?

I mentioned no names. YOU did. I simply grew tired of being bombarded by "OMGZ LINDENZ R TEH EVIL NAZEEEZZZ" I see every time I log into SL. It got so bad that I'd close the window and it would pop right back up again.

I have nothing against you or anyone else. I'm just tired of being spammed.

uh, no. Can you think of any other reason someone might come to SL? LOL