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Grady Vuckovic
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03-28-2009 19:33
From: Nany Kayo
Australia, ok.

Do you guys do a doggy arf haunch move at strangers there? I see a lot of that in SL.

Well, the point most are trying to make here is that SL was created as a sex tool, is a sex tool, and sex is what most people do here most of the time.

It's not in private either. That is the problem. It is advertised, and everybody sees it whether they want to or not.


Your complaining about a simple funny gesture?... That is a humerous gesture that is just for fun! It's not hardcore porn! If you think stuff like that needs to be moved to the adult area I think your head is a little unscrewed! :eek:

As for what me and my friends like to do in public in RL here in Australia. Actually we do joke around a bit and occasionally make some lewd thrustin's against each other's side's and legs like dogs. But it's just as a joke, and for fun. If you find that offensive then I suggest you stay away from SL for good, and just go to a church and spend the rest of your life there, because even a child would say, "That's tame".

And you the only person here that has ever suggested that SL is a sex tool is YOU! And even *I* a frequent RPer of:
- hardcore bondage
- sex slave themes
- gay/straight/bisexual
- transexual
- interspecies
- vore

Am saying that SL is a place for both sex and anything else that people wish to bring to it! Music! Games! Education! Whatever! Any and all desire equal attention.
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Fido Levee
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Here we go again huh?
03-28-2009 19:35
Im fairly new to SL but have enjoyed using the thing for a number of months now. I was sent the news about LL's decision to basically restrict our individual liberty and freedom by a friend. I am posting to offer support AGAINST this decision....

I admitedly use SL for adult RP and enjoy doing this, but I have to add that along the way I have met some really nice, imaginative folks who are happy and able to make a clear distinction between Rp and normal interaction. What I mean is...there appears to to be an unspoken understanding of boundaries that in my (okay, all be it limited) experience of SL people tend to respect. So the obvious question is Why oh why do the 'powers that be' feel the need to constantly interveen in peoples lives so darn much nowadays?

Unfortunately SL seems to be reflecting the deeply disturbing paternal aspects of society, in that people need to constantly be told what to do, when to do it, when not to do it, what is okay to do, what is not okay to do etc etc :(

As I gather from the information, the decision has already been made and there is nothing that can really be done to change this...Hmmm, doesnt this sound all to familiar in a societal sense? The shape of things to come huh..control, control and yet MORE control!
Argent Stonecutter
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03-28-2009 19:35
From: Nany Kayo
This discussion has made me curious about whether people are actually doing the same stuff in public in other countries that they do in SL.
Why yes, I teleport to work every day, and use a couple of telephone books to sit on my chair because I'm a meter tall ferret-critter, and do EVERYTHING in SL just like I do in RL. And there's no kids under 18 ANYWHERE I go in RL, because RL is an over-18 environment. Just like SL.
From: Nany Kayo
Well, the point most are trying to make here is that SL was created as a sex tool, is a sex tool, and sex is what most people do here most of the time.
The only person making that claim is you.
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Valerius Constantine
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An excellent point
03-28-2009 19:36
From: Cinda Noel
Ahhhhh! It's not real! It's a cartoon, it's a bunch of polygons organized in a mesh with a texture that is being put together by some fancy math on your graphics card!
Cinda rolls her eyes wondering if the whole world has become a bunch of gamers that can't tell reality from a video game.


Exactly. As a matter of ironclad *fact*, all sex and violence perpetrated in all of Second Life is *CARTOON* Sex and violence.


*ALL* of it.

We're talking about splitting the hairs on cartoon sex and violence in a game that is *already* limited to people over the age of 18, and is rated at the sim level as either "mature" or "pg".

Exactly how many angels *can* dance on the head of a pin? :)

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Couldbe Yue
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03-28-2009 19:37
get with the times Nany. Australians are so repressed that they frown on topless sunbathing and their government is about to implement IP filtering to make sure they're not tempted into anything sinful.

Ah Nany, you really should try to keep up with what's happening in the world..

particularly around catholic priests and others in positions of responsibilty.. They're really the people who set the standards..

except in Australia of course.. always at least a decade behind the rest of the world..
Taly Fluffy
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Harem costumes --> Verified eyes only!?
03-28-2009 19:38
From: Blondin Linden
I would suspect that stores selling Gorean clothing would be most comfortable on a Mature rated sim.


Oh dear, how did I miss that comment the first time around?

Gorean clothing is primarily men's full-body-covering outfits including capes and heavy boots,
and...
silks. Which the general public would refer to as "harem costumes".

I sell harem costumes inworld, and they are only slightly more racy than many other sexy ladies' Halloween costumes. Or, heck, bra and panty sets.

If silks are considered equivalent to explicit sex such as f***ing, then I'm in a panic about just how much stuff LL really wants to move to the "Adult" sim.
Nany Kayo
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03-28-2009 19:38
From: Grady Vuckovic
I act the same way in RL as I do in SL.


I hug people I don't know in RL all the time. It's fun. :D


It creates confusion in my victims each time I do it, but they eventually just smile and hug back. It's all good.


In RL though, people who practice BDSM, or strip clubs, or threates where people do plays involving death, aren't required to move to special adult only continents. Like in RL too, we do it in our homes, or in clubs and do it away from peoples view. And that's all we do in SL, and yet we're being asked to move.

Yes we know your views, you think that every part of SL has just a mass of people having big orgies all over the place, but to be honest, your completely wrong on that. The same way I can tell you the sky is blue, I can tell you that it isn't true. Log in, take a look in SL for yourself. Unless your definition of sex is people standing next to each other, then that just ain't happening in SL.

Like most roleplayers in SL. I actually prefer:
1. To roleplay in IM's.
2. To roleplay in the privacy of my home, or my club's downstairs area.

I don't enjoy doing things like that in public, unless it's maybe a short and simple RP in a club where that is the theme, I stick to private things. And nearly every RPer I know does the same as well. We do so because we like to avoid folks like yourself who would make comments and complain, and to not be rude or annoying to others.


No, I would have no objection to your RP at all. Not in the slightest. I'm glad you can enjoy playing in SL.

The only concern I have with any of this is that it silences other kinds of expression. Many of the people using this place for sex are extremely intolerant of other uses. They say all the schools and businesses not involved in the sex trade should just leave.
Grady Vuckovic
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03-28-2009 19:40
From: Couldbe Yue
get with the times Nany. Australians are so repressed that they frown on topless sunbathing and their government is about to implement IP filtering to make sure they're not tempted into anything sinful.

Ah Nany, you really should try to keep up with what's happening in the world..

particularly around catholic priests and others in positions of responsibilty.. They're really the people who set the standards..

except in Australia of course.. always at least a decade behind the rest of the world..

Oi! *throws a boomerang at Couldbe!* We're not all prudes! :eek:
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-28-2009 19:41
From: Taly Fluffy

If silks are considered equivalent to explicit sex such as f***ing, then I'm in a panic about just how much stuff LL really wants to move to the "Adult" sim.
Yah, I really think LL needs to get on message with this. We're getting different answers from different Lindens, and they're completely contradicting each other.
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Brett Finsbury
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03-28-2009 19:42
shakes her head nany I am all for the new policy that Linden labs is putting in effect but my agreeing with you left a long time ago. I think you are more trying to make people mad than prove a point. Am i a puritian? no.. I just see a need to identify the people in the sims since a family member of mine and I have been stalked for over a year from people that spilled out a few RP sims. I agree if you don't like what you see leave. but what happens if it follows you? you abuse report the people... then their friends from the RP sims are now mad that you abuse reported their friend and soon you have a bunch of people from the RP sims sending alts to harass you. Even on your own sims. To reduce people harassing and griefing, I would like all accounts to become verified. that is my motive. wether or not you like or agree with my opinion.. I really don't care... such is life.
Valerius Constantine
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Adult?
03-28-2009 19:42
From: Argent Stonecutter
Nudity is not "adult". I grew up less than 10 minutes easy walk from a nude beach, and the beach outside our back balcony was topless, and I hardly ever eat babies.


Heh- Frankly, I don't consider *any* of this stuff to be "Adult". It would be more appropriate in most cases to refer to a lot of the sexual content in SL as "Adolescent"- say, about 14 or so. In the beavis and butthead range of behavior. :)

Not that there's anything *wrong* with that- running around pretending to be a vampire isn't exactly the most grown-up thing to do either... it's just that the definition of "adult" usually means something like "Responsible and Mature", when a lot of the activity and content *called* adult is anything *but*. :)

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Couldbe Yue
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03-28-2009 19:42
From: Grady Vuckovic
Oi! *throws a boomerang at Couldbe!* We're not all prudes! :eek:



Did I say you were??

Any nation that has as one of its most popular songs a little ditty called "Tie me kangaroo down, sport.." will always be eligible for the cocked eyebrow..

:)
Nany Kayo
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03-28-2009 19:43
From: Couldbe Yue
get with the times Nany. Australians are so repressed that they frown on topless sunbathing and their government is about to implement IP filtering to make sure they're not tempted into anything sinful.

Ah Nany, you really should try to keep up with what's happening in the world..

particularly around catholic priests and others in positions of responsibilty.. They're really the people who set the standards..

except in Australia of course.. always at least a decade behind the rest of the world..


interesting. I love the internationality of SL.

I did think it was still ok in Australia to go naked on the beaches. I am surprised about the IP filtering.
Grady Vuckovic
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03-28-2009 19:43
From: Nany Kayo
No, I would have no objection to your RP at all. Not in the slightest. I'm glad you can enjoy playing in SL.

The only concern I have with any of this is that it silences other kinds of expression. Many of the people using this place for sex are extremely intolerant of other uses. They say all the schools and businesses not involved in the sex trade should just leave.

And what are you doing that is any different to that?

If we stay in our area, you can stay in your area, and we can all play nicely, like good little boys and girls and herms. Who is it that is telling you this too? Because I don't know any people who think like that. And I happen to know a lot of really kinky people. I run a sex club, and a 450+ member group of pervs like me, and I've never met anyone in SL that thinks like that. And I've been at this for over a year now. o.O
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-28-2009 19:44
From: Nany Kayo

The only concern I have with any of this is that it silences other kinds of expression. Many of the people using this place for sex are extremely intolerant of other uses. They say all the schools and businesses not involved in the sex trade should just leave.
Please provide a link to a credible citation for this claim.

PS: I expect you will ignore this message or provide a link to an obvious joke such as a parody of one of your own postings. Which would not be "many people" nor "a credible citation".
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Valerius Constantine
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Intense?
03-28-2009 19:45
From: Professor Milos
Good point. I've always read that line as 'intense.. nudity'.



"Intense nudity"? What is that? Is that like a body with lots of curves, slippery skin, and no guardrails right on the edge of a cliff, or something? Is it *disturbing nudity? like would Dick Cheny naked be "Intense nudity"? :)

Just trying to help with the definitions! (ducking and running!)

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03-28-2009 19:46
From: Valerius Constantine
Not that there's anything *wrong* with that- running around retenting to be a vampire isn't exactly the most grown-up thing to do either... it's just that the definition of "adult" usually beams something like "Responsible and Mature", when a lot of the activity and content *called* adult is anything *but*. :)
Yah, I have occasionally suggested that the sim ratings should be changed from "Mature" and "PG" to "Immature" and "Childish".
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Wynochee LeShelle
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Yes!
03-28-2009 19:46
From: Nany Kayo
This discussion has made me curious about whether people are actually doing the same stuff in public in other countries that they do in SL.

Do they really not have any difference between public and private overseas? They just do it in the open like the animals in the zoo? In the shops and the offices and government buildings and the schools?


Keyword: Bill Clinton... (fm President of the United States of America, office, oval, Washington, D.C.)

Changing rooms of H&M (me)

Street, telephone cell (me)

Public pool - under water (me)

Last waggon in night train (me)

Backseat of car (all)

Drive-in-cinema (all)

No borders for fantasy.

People are doing it: everywhere.

Yes.

Even in hospitals and cure-sanatoriums.

In aeroplanes.

In adminsitration buildings.

Under the table and on the table.

In schools...

On campus.

Beaches (Cap de Agde, France)

Woods

Parks

Benches

In jail

On graveyards.

On roof-tops.

Even in concentration camps they did it.

In one word: no safe place for you!
Valerius Constantine
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03-28-2009 19:47
From: Sling Trebuchet
It wouldn't affect me. I'm unshockable - even by clowns with swords and two penises.


OKay, now *that* is "intense nudity" :)

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Milla Janick
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03-28-2009 19:47
From: Couldbe Yue
am I the only one that thinks LL is being a bit tacky in doing the bread and circuses thing again?

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/press/blog/2009/03/27/coming-next-week--1st-annual-second-life-resident-choice-awards

[...]

Stepford?

This is going to be the best awards event ever.
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Grady Vuckovic
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03-28-2009 19:48
From: Couldbe Yue
Did I say you were??

Any nation that has as one of its most popular songs a little ditty called "Tie me kangaroo down, sport.." will always be eligible for the cocked eyebrow..

:)

Ahh, well I believe that title just means, "I have a Kangaroo, can you please tie it down so it can't move". Because those blokes can run pretty fast!
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03-28-2009 19:49
From: Valerius Constantine
OKay, now *that* is "intense nudity" :)
Yeh, clowns are scary enough when they're not naked.
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Grady Vuckovic
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03-28-2009 19:52
I have serious doubts about LL's nudity claim. I really do.

If you could see some of the folks that are in my group or club.. you'd know that 'nude' can be very extreme. Depending on what species a person is.

Picture a 8ft tall, well built, male anthro horse. With a somewhat realistic member. Are folks like Nany really going to accept that in their 'Mature' sims?
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Nany Kayo
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03-28-2009 19:53
From: Wynochee LeShelle
Keyword: Bill... (office, oval)

Changing rooms of H&M (me)

Street, telephone cell (me)

Public pool - under water (me)

Last waggon in night train (me)

Backseat of car (all)

Drive-in-cinema (all)

No borders for fantasy.

People are doing it: everywhere.

Yes.

Even in hospitals and cure-sanatoriums.

In aeroplanes.

In adminsitration buildings.

Under the table and on the table.

In schools...

On campus.

Beaches (Cap de Agde, France)

Woods

Parks

Benches

In jail

On graveyards.

On roof-tops.

Even in concentration camps they did it.

In one word: no safe place for you!


I don't need to be watched having sex. I understand some people do.
Nany Kayo
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03-28-2009 19:55
From: Grady Vuckovic
I have serious doubts about LL's nudity claim. I really do.

If you could see some of the folks that are in my group or club.. you'd know that 'nude' can be very extreme. Depending on what species a person is.

Picture a 8ft tall, well built, male anthro horse. With a somewhat realistic member. Are folks like Nany really going to accept that in their 'Mature' sims?


Why would this person need me to look at their dick? What is with that?