Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

expose themselves.

That's not some kind of griefing?

They don't need you to. But that is how some people look naked. And LL is saying nudity is allowed. So anywhere that nude avatars in SL are allowed now, is where you could find that even after these new rules.

doesn't matter what they look like nude if they don't shove it in my face while I am minding my own business.

Well, no one is now, and no one will be after. So what's the problem?


Really this change is useless in many ways. The people LL is talking about moving don't roleplay in public anyway. The things they are saying are still allowed, are the types of things that new players in SL do in public because they haven't learnt to be polite yet. So the problems that Nany and people like that face will still exist, and now instead new problems will be created for those who weren't causing problems.

go on... and the reason you'd need to tie an animal down??

ahh repression is a beautiful thing..

digressing slightly..

a friend of mine grew up in a rural backwater.. one of the guys she was at school with got caught one day doing something with a goat that is illegal in a lot of countries.

you know what? the government didn't seal the town off or pack the town off to the red light area of the city or anything that would even come close to hysterical over reaction. They didn't take the goats away or the young men or anything else. The townsfolk didn't picket the family or get the pitchforks out or anything more than gossip and snigger.

I don't know what the point of that was, except that if a small town 30 years ago could show tolerance to things that are "abnormal" in vanilla eyes, why can the people in second life in the 21st century?

.. it's well past my bed time and i probably need to be quiet now.

Do you know a song, called "Hotel Ladies", by the 70s/80s australian band "Buffalo"?

By chance i got it as new mastered CD very cheap in an import shop in Vienna.

Just simple non-intellectual lyrics, but good old bluesy-rock-hard-rock sound and a nice wah-wah guitar-effect after the middle part.

Song is about groupies and band-life, hehehe

Would be banned in SL on PG and Mature rated sims, I bet.

if only posters here will realize that, no matter what you say, the meaning will be lost as a sad, pathetic, lonely troll decides to put their own meaning into it. much the same as the evidentally warped view of all that SL consists of (aside from, singly, not to mention supposedly, their own private island). even a meter tall ferret has advised against feeding the troll and it's alts, but finds himself baited back in.

or "girls on the avenue" by Richard Clapton.. about visiting prostitutes
or "I like it both ways" cant remember the name of the band.. I'm sure you can work out what that's about..
or "are you old enough?" by Dragon.. another song about groupies
"pleasure and pain" by the divynls (?sp)

and they're just a couple that came to mind

True true. It's why I've been mostly just joking around now. LL stopped listening to us about 100 pages ago, now we're just filling in time.

No, they do roleplay in public and they want to make sure everyone sees it. That is the problem.

I have a solution for you that will solve your dilemma.

Since the PG, Mature and Adult ratings are so nebulous, why not create a more concrete rating system?

* SANE regions - for those who can distinguish the difference between faked behavior and reality
* INSANE regions - for those who do not know the difference between fantasy and reality

The criteria to distinguish who is sane and who is insane is simple. Those who think SL is real, and don't understand SL is a fake, made-believe, playground is flagged as insane.

If any insane avatar ventured mindlessly into the SANE region, you can press an eject button, and teleport them back into their insane asylum. Problem solved.

We need to PROTECT our ADULTs from insane immature adults who can't tell illusion from reality, and mixed SL into RL.

It is dangerous to let the insane avatars roaming around in SL. Insanity is like a cancer that will spread to the general population if sane people are allowed to see what crazy people do to themselves.

It's been said more than once by LL that they are only moving the extreme stuff. You'll never see extreme stuff done in the mainland out in the public. Have your really seen people slowly being eaten and digested, then shat-out? Have you seen people being tortured?

And I mean, in detail, with visuals and text and sound, and avatar's dressed to match, with course language, etc etc.

That stuff isn't done in public. I've never been out shopping and seen anything even close to that!

The most I've *EVER* seen is the occasional person being dragged around on a leash. And really, if that's all it takes to offend you, then your just too easily offended.

And I'll have you know, no one gives a damn if you see it, we're doing it for our pleasure, we'll do it anywhere as long as we enjoy it. If it bothers anyone, we'll do it somewhere else. But we won't try to force it onto anyone. But we shouldn't have to move our entire clubs because of it. The people who stay inside the clubs aren't the ones who are going to roleplay in public! They stay in the clubs because they want to not be seen.

Oh?

Who are "they" - and can you provide exact links to posts where this has happened?

Seconded

You show all day your most intimate bodypart to the world: your face! Because a face tells the most about you and me and anyone - this is also no griefing.

Genitals have not much to tell, they are harmless and they don't show much complex emotions, they are just simple closed or open, wet or dry, errected or not - and they do not talk much and they do not dictate anything.

Problems on earth are made by faces and brains, they start wars, discriminations and they motivate people to sample themself under one nation and to run into collective madness if the fitting face is telling them to do so. (I point on all dictators of the world, they didn't work with their penisses or vulvas, it was ever: the face wich made trouble)

A penis or a vagina would be unable to start collective madness in millions of people and a world war. Believe me.

It is always the face wich causes trouble, or peace.

A face... oh la la - this is a very intimate and suggestive and sphere-building and attention-catching part of the anatomy.

Maybe wear a burka to avoid that.

Your other points are easily valid, but I'm not sure about this one... how big is said penis? How good is it's operator?

Hehehehe)))

23rdDjin Negulesco why bother and like the other poster said.. they have stopped reading so the rest is just people venting and nany having fun I would guess. I personally think this was done so that when countries like Austrlia how ever it's spelled i am one eye open and ready for bed... are talking about making some kind of " clean net" filter device.. this sudden move is to allow people from this country the ability to be in second life without having to be blocked, and like one poster said maybe make access by a countries I.P. blocked from the adult areas.
This could also be another phase in the I.D. system towards the whole grid becoming I.D verified.. my guess there but makes sense rather than throw it all at the whole population at once. I mean you know damn well when people start making under ground sex areas to work the system it will be exposed on some news channel and then... BAM!.. the whole grid will be verified. If I thought of it you know a thousand others have too.
we have new blood behind the wheel of second life with new ideas and they want to make money. People can still do what they have been doing and linden labs has said they are looking into other avenues of proving a persons identity with this third party. who knows what it is but I am sure they are working on a workable solution. a month or two down the road people will be back to doing what they were doing and adapt to the new standerd. Yea Change is scarey isn't it? oh well it always works out in the end.

I concur and, having offered help that could have been useful were she actually interested in her professed goals and gotten not so much as a single respectful response, I've begun to ignore her and her one confirmed and other suspected ALTs.

Actually though, what I'd like to see is the Lindens who are preparing to create a nightmare of enforcement complexity with the proposed changes take some action here. When they are under-resourced to enforce the policies they have now, it would be nice to see them actually enforce their TOS and Community Standards on the troll in question.

We have:
- OVERT name calling, personal insults, intolerance and abuse.
- We have disrupting the boards with at least one admitted ALT
- And, finally, flat out admitting they share a login

Bottom line, how can we expect any sanity of enforcement of new terms we might work out if we can't have the most basic rules enforced now?

From the "Community Standards"

"Intolerance
Combating intolerance is a cornerstone of Second Life's Community Standards. Actions that marginalize, belittle, or defame individuals or groups inhibit the satisfying exchange of ideas and diminish the Second Life community as whole. The use of derogatory or demeaning language or images in reference to another Resident's race, ethnicity, gender, religion, or sexual orientation is never allowed in Second Life. "

"Alternate Accounts
While Residents may choose to play Second Life with more than one account, specifically or consistently using an alternate account to harass other Residents or violate the Community Standards is not acceptable. Alternate accounts are generally treated as separate from a Resident's principal account, but misuse of alternate accounts can and will result in disciplinary action on the principal account. "

and from the TOS:
"2.4 Account registrations are limited per unique person. Transfers of accounts are generally not permitted.

Linden Lab may require you to submit an indication of unique identity in the account registration process; e.g. credit card or other payment information, or SMS message code or other information requested by Linden Lab. When an account is created, the information given for the account must match the address, phone number, and/or other unique identifier information associated with the identification method. You may register multiple accounts per identification method only at Linden Lab's sole discretion. A single account may be used by a single legal entity at Linden Lab's sole discretion and subject to Linden Lab's requirements. Additional accounts beyond the first account per unique user may be subject to fees upon account creation. You may not transfer your Account to any third party without the prior written consent of Linden Lab; notwithstanding the foregoing, Linden Lab will not unreasonably withhold consent to the transfer of an Account in good standing by operation of valid written will to a single natural person, provided that proper notice and documentation are delivered as requested by Linden Lab."

- Kyle

Well, you must choose some mighty interesting places to hang out, then! I *work* in the "sex industry", and don't see even close to a quarter of the stuff you keep yammering about!

And, honestly - the people who ARE out there doing their "thing" in public are not going to stop doing so just because a new adult continent shows up, so in reality, the net effect of what you are supporting will amount to butkus for you.

Here's a challenge for you: Next time you see avatars bumping uglies at your feet, take a note of their payment information. If they're NPIOF, then they wouldn't be able to do it where appropriate under your supported policy even if they wanted to.

I'm just talking about the usual things that would get you kicked out or arrested in most RL public places.

I don't need that kind of stuff and don't care about it. I don't want to see it, and don't want to see advertisements for it.

What I am concerned with is establishing ordinary standards for public behavior so ordinary businesses can operate here.

Buisnesses coming to SL?
I seen a new up and comming site simular t SL about a month ago strickly for corpate use,( Ive been looking all week for the link but cant find it).

SL can in no way compete with that site as far as corprate use goes, It has Powerpoint plugins, Excel Plugins, video confressing, and allows corprate builds, its much like the SL platform, but for stickly corp. use closed to the public..

With just the powerpoint and excel aspects of it it by far blows sl out of the water as a buisness to buisness platform.. they can get alot more done is half the time and still provide a vitural enviorment to walk around in.

They had inhouse people for clothing and builds. that was all free and part of the monthy cost for the corp, the corp can request uniforms or a wide array of casual to work clothing pacages along with being able to pick from prebuilt builds or having custom build made to meet there needs.

From a Corp stand point there is no way sl can compete with that.

I will continue to look for the link and get back as soon as i find it

I'm going to say this, very slowly, so that you might hopefully comprehend:

T - H - I - S
I -S
N - O - T
R - E - A - L
L - I - F - E
! - ! - ! - !

Different for different people. What I am looking forward to is getting the trash out of the advertising stream. We can avoid it if it isn't advertised.

Yes, it is. You are fake. I am not.