Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

A lot has been posed/posted concerning visual extreme/explicit content, what about the Audio aspect, specifically, music? Will DJ's and Live acts have to censor their material?

KB6010??

ok... You lost me on that one...

dammit... after you made me laugh in the Resident answers threads....

Personally, I don't see this as creating any sort of positive publicity at all. Detracters will still detract but will change their language to something like "SL's red light district". The only way to create such positive publicity if such publicity can be described as "positive" is to throw all forms of sexual activity and nudity whether public or private off SL!

Again personally, I don't see this as creating extra demand for SL: Newbies will arrive in a sterile world filled with shops, shops and more shops and not very much else. They will become bored very quickly and especially since the new initiative against bots and inflation of search results will very likely produce yet another knee-jerk reaction to the effect that camping will cease to be effective in search results which in turn will mean the demise of camping and free Lindens. In short, those who can afford to buy Lindens to shop till they drop will stay and the rest will move on.

Knowledge Base article 6010. Now removed and replaced with an "oops" message that basically described PG sims as being "Business Casual" and M sims as allowing "G" rated informality.

A couple of things I found interesting from Moons post #2993 ... Ty Moon for posting

Seems there is still a couple of months yet before the ' move ' will take place?

The " left hand does not know what the right is doing " ?

Anims are allright, RL photos / video are not?



[12:42] Elanthius Flagstaff: When do you think Ursula will come online?
[12:42] Elanthius Flagstaff: I mean start allowing people to move there?
[12:42] Jack Linden: I think it'll all be a couple of months yet. it isn't a sudden thing



12:47] Talarus Luan: Jack, you all can't even DEFINE "extreme". You keep asking for feedback on it.
[12:48] Jack Linden: I thought there was a definition in the blog post..
[12:48] Ciaran Laval: Jack the definitons all got pulled
[12:49] Jack Linden: right. well i expect we'll see those tighten up. my understanding is that normal mature content isn't affected.



[12:51] Elanthius Flagstaff: The crazy part about it all is it's all just animations. Little tiny cartoons on a computer. It's literally impossible to even BE extreme at this level of detail
[12:52] Jack Linden: Elanthius.. that's not true. Some of the content is real photography or video etc, it's far from being just cartoons
[12:52] Elanthius Flagstaff: OK, well is "extreme" just real photography? Because in that case we'll all breathe a sigh of relief and agree with your plans
[12:53] Jack Linden: Elanthius.. I think that is what we'll get to define, but my understanding is that normal Mature content is unaffected, but the most extreme stuff, torture, dismemberment etc, will move
[12:53] Jack Linden: If I had that definition for you, i'd happily recite it.

LMFAO!!!!

That's funny.

Dammit... you made me laugh again

Maybe, with luck, although I wish the ones who keep creating new alts to make it LOOK like there are lots of new posters would stop - it's so easy to identify them as the same person from their writing and grammatical (or lack of) style!

hehe ... True, also makes for a fair bit of reading to ' catch up '

Thanks Moon, that was the most information I have seen on this topic for a long time and thanks for posting it.

And that is the problem here, after reading hundreds of posts there is no real information coming out on how this is going to work. Bits are leaked out, people are assuming a lot and the rumour mill is working overtime.

Why is is so hard for LL to just release the definitions of Adult, let people know if they are affected or not, make it clear how the process of any moves might happen, when it will and put it in one place so we can all find it. If they were not ready to release this information then why make it public in the first place, it just leads to all these rumours and confusion.

So come on please LL, put a stop to the rumour mill and publish the details and plans so we can all get back to some form of normallity..well as normal as SL gets lol.

...and I was just thinking to myself that we haven't had a visit from a premium account elitist in quite a while!

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this is a forum open to all Porsche, everyone should state their views, even the "clever" ones.
You dont have to be brave either, if you have a reasonable comment to make then make it, however if its unreasonable you must expect a reaction of sorts.

I don't understand the problem with age verification, if your linden account is linked to pay pal then SURELY this is age verification!!

I certainly would not send a copy of any important identity documents to Linden Lab just to verify an account, goodness only knows who could use my ID !! I am also not in the states so it would involve airmail postage which is not very secure, should i wish to send it recorded/registered it will cost an absolute fortune and there is no guarentee that the Lindens will return my documents recorded/registered back to me.

I have visited alot of 'adult' sims in my shortish time on SL, none of which have been explicitly adult, Most escort clubs do not allow nudity in public areas, this is reserved for the more private areas or VIP suites.

The role play sims are also already labelled adult, so I dont really understand the hoo hah over all this. Why does it need to change?

People need to take responsibility for there own actions... if they do a search for fetish sex or extreme role play then that is their choice and i dont believe they should then complain it was an adult content...(obviously this type of thing IS adult duh!!)

If there is a problem with minors using SL then just make sure all accounts are linked to a credit card or pay pal and then the problem is solved!! SIMPLES !!

mommy, can you pay for my game? its only 10$ and only needs to be paid once?
ok sweetie there you are, have fun dear...

Good points Leon, though the last can be circumvented quite easily by purchasing a debit card available to anyone with the cash.

/me facepalms

All I can say is:

A) The left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing

B)"Normal" mature content? Sounds like mainstream hardcore pornography can stay then.. and the brothels, free orgy clubs. That will please the bigots

Get those t-shirts printed:

"but my understanding is that normal Mature content is unaffected, but the most extreme stuff, torture, dismemberment etc, will move" -- Jack Linden

lolwut???

I'm Sorry LL, But you have really screwed up with this one...
1) In different countries, there are different laws for "Viewing Adult Content". How are you going to tell a 17 year old from a "16+" permitted country, that they are no longer allowed to access the club they might own?

2) SL is supposed to be an ESCAPE from our RL.. Where we can relax and do all the things we cannot do in RL. Why on earth would you create an online game for that reason, and then take it away from MOST of your players?

3) <removed for personal disclosure> ...and I think it is the best thing to happen to the internet. I dont use it for its "Mature Content".. I use it to meet up with FRIENDS I have on here.. Some of which will now be hanging out in the "Mature" section, which I will not be allowed to access. Which means... I am to be cut off from the people who mean alot to me. Also.. I have my PARENT CONSENT to be on here. They check up on me, and watch me like any other parent would. And they have no problem with it. I think you should also have a verification system, where PARENTS can give their opinion on whether or not their child should be allowed access to the "Mature Content". My main Hangout is a Final Fantasy Sim... Midgar. It is "no sex allowed" and the people on there are very serious about their Roleplaying. But because it has combat or "Violence", It is likely to be moved aswell.

I'm sorry to all the adults out there who have come together against an online game, rather than worrying about their children's real life issues... Because it can all do more harm in the real world than here.

LL, Thanks for the fun and all the friends you have bought to me over the past year.. And thanks also for tearing them away.

Dear Linden Labs-


1. If violence is so terrible, then why can *every single parcel in-world be set to "damage enabled"*? Talk about your double-talk. This affects the basic structure of SL, and changes things in a *major* way. It constitutes a "bait and switch"- Advertising and selling something as one thing, but delivering something completely different.

2. Children should *not* be here. If parents want a place to play with their kids, they should get an age verified, background checked, personal life invaded account on the *teen* grid with their kids and supervise them in-world as well as IRL.
You cannot make the rest of us responsible for your kids never seeing a titty. it isn't *our* job. it is *your* job. a good half of the "political correctness" crap that we see in western culture these days stems from the fact that we have decided to have public and private schools raise our children *for* us, and we expect them to raise our kids exactly like *we* would.
This situation is bad enough IRL, we don't need it in SL too. The grid is grownups only. Keep it that way. And since it is grownups only, why do we need a nanny to make sure that we never have to see a titty if we don't want to?

3. Age verification/payment info on file for all. Not sure how I feel about this. I have alts. We *all* have alts. There is too much to do in SL to limit yourself to a single in-world persona. I have alts because I am interested in doing more than one thing that requires a "personality" to participate- Vampire RP, Medievalist RP, Sci-Fi RP, and yes, Sexual RP- you need a name and a personal that *fits the theme*, not just any old monniker!

The idea of a single account, with information kept private, that has multiple "characters" would be a reasonable thing, but you simply cannot put that on the same grid with anonymous free accounts for all. The two are like oil and water.
With a free anonymous account system, you will keep every single social problem you are trying to solve with this "segregate the grownups from the other grownups" ploy.

4. Essentially, this whole issue boils down to three things-
*Would-be corporate clients who don't want a furry gorean yiffing with a vampire in the virtual lobby of their business.
*an idea on the part of LL that if they know, honest and for true, who we *really* are, then we'll behave like nice people, or at least they will be able to ban us if we're not.
* LL being able to say, in the event of some stupid "my kid got on your program and saw a titty" lawsuit, or an overzealous postal inspector type deciding that SL violates the community standards of "never-seen-a-tittyburgh", they can say "we tried to age verify, so it's not our fault, so you can't sue/arrest us"


*BUt all of those issues would be solved by having an opt-in *clean* continent and the easily offended could go to to avoid seeing a titty or a gun.
Putting all the titties and guns in one place isn't going to stop that annoying guy in the newb landing zone from bumping you with his freebie penis. and it isn't going to stop the bloodlines mosquitos from spamming the newbies with bite requests as soon as they rez for the first time.
And it *sure as hell* isn't going to stop lag inducing, chat window filling, sound obstructing gesture whoring, whether it's porno noises or a line from "the simpsons"!

In short, if you are gonna make huge changes to give users a better experience, they make them to the SL *client software*! that is everyone's window into SL, and it's the best way to let people deal with how they see the grid. I can use a slider to alter my draw disatance- is it that hard to put in a password protected content filter that says "no mature parcels, no mature items in search, no profanity" or whatever? Since these are *already features of the client, i would think that it would be simple to group them together in the user-interface, color them bright purple or something, with a big arrow pointing at them, saying "In case of getting offended, use this!".

JUst My two Cents,

V

I have been following this thread very closely. I have even listened to the brownbag audio feed of lindens meeting. I have agreed with the lindens this isn't about teens getting on the adult grid. Teens will find ways to remain anywhere they want to in SL whether it is adult or mature land. This isn't even about Merchants and their stores nor the items they sell such as sex gen beds etc.. These items will remain on mature land. Even Naked skins, mature content. So this has nothing to do with the bondage table you may want to buy. Those will still remain on mature mainland. This isn't about those that have a private home on a parcel of land that has sex with their partner. Those people will not be bothered by this move at all either. This isn't about those "holier then thou" people that wander mistakenly into a fetish orgy. This doesn't even have to do with the person that freaked out at 9am in a texture store because she ran into a man with two naked slaves with him.

Paying very close attention to what lindens were saying because this is going to effect me and my business a great deal is..if your business is to sell sex, ie sex club or if it is killing, mutilating bodies such as beheading..then you are going to be herded to the Adult grid.

I had to laugh because one of my issues has been, OK, how much is this going to dig into my pocket because I barely make it now? On this audio, one question was about the cost of the Adult land vs the mature land. The answer was very short and sweet. If I wasn't straining to hear the answer I would of missed it. The teir for mature mainland isn't going to change... OK..so Adult land will be..how much? ...nothing..subject quickly changed.

Bottom line..this is all about the American dollar to linden labs. What can we do to change things to make more money? We can force all the sex clubs and all the violent people to the adult grid. Charge more lindens for the land in the adult regions. This will open up lots of mature mainland parcels. People will buy cheap because it will be worthless otherwise.

Look at this even deeper with a business perspective. Second life has the world involved even the educators as they stated as one of those they are meeting with on the blog. I am betting what is happening here is clean up time. Get all the sex out of mature land, open it up to bigger things.. SL got suckered and see streets line with gold for all the big companies that want in. Colleges, Universities, big banks, investors of millions just holding out for the cleaning up. What big land developer or bank wants to have a brothel of sex selling next door? Or have a roleplay parcel of warrior games of beheading, or to have Vampires stalking the neighborhood?

SL isn't about the ADULT individual expression anymore. Its gone cooperate. It's gone big business. This is just the first phase of selling out to the big money and leaving the individual behind. And just think of it this way....when a company goes to SL cooperate with the billions to hand them to dump all SEX business out of SL it will be easy. Just shut down the Adult grid. We are all at their mercy. Forced to move. Sex business such as clubs will soon be forced underground. Escorts will no longer seek to find central clubs to work from they will have to go freelance and guess where they will be taking those men/women they are serving? Right to their home on mature mainland. This isn't going to solve anything they are hoping to solve. Its going to do some big time changes on just where these escorts will hang out. Perhaps a corner beside some male skins for sale, or against a wall next to the big and powerful penis' for sale. Or better yet, a line of newbie escorts standing in line by the sex gen beds offering them try out services for lindens.

This is not going to change what has been kept in the closet since the beginning of mankind it will just force others to be individual, perhaps more creative on prostitution and it will still be all over. Now MISS holier then thou ..just may get IM'ed to death, passed a card with naked sex pictures from a freebie account that can be banned and made anew.

It is then ok, LL, to rename former poseballs in "gymnasticballs" and do some partner-workout, wich maybe looks like so called sex? But will be then totaly emotionless bodytraining and a new sort of dance, let's say "neo-tango", on a renamed item wich was former a bed, but will now be renamed in dancefloor? Looks then still like a bed, but is per artists definition a dancefloor!

Because; if it goes about definitions, it would be an idea, to just rename items and new adjustment of the meaning of actions, to have a complete new situation - all what was mature and adult, is then PG just by renaming it.

Our world. Our imagination.

All incriminated items plus all incriminated actions can be from now on:

art

training

exercises

gardening...

art installations

art performances

or just illusions

a philosophicum

a biz-meeting with special ergonomic exercises to hold the muscles fit

a new sort of sign language

bodyart

a new dance step

yoga - and much, much more

and will it be allowed, after renaming the incriminated items and actions into harmless and creative PG semantic forms,

to name a floorlamp "cock", a yacht "pussy" and a diamond-necklace "nipple" and vice versa? - just to bring a bit subversive confusion for the upcoming search filter function and the censors in?

As artists we have all rights of the world, to give things and actions new meanings and a deeper abstract sense. Not our problem, what censors and search filters will see then in that. There is no sex to see - if two people acting specificly, this is from now on an artistic installation and a performance with high cultural value and with a hyperpolitical intention and a message and not ordinary sex. Only a stupid uneducated and non academic censor will see that further as "sex" but he will be wrong with this. He has bad eyes and bad thoughts.

A skin is not a skin, it is from now on a special developed diving suit, per artists definition. Or will beige and pink colors on diving suits forbidden too, in future? No, there are no nipples, these are freckles, made by sun, or we call them closing buttons of the diving suit. Who sees nipples has a bad and dirty fantasy,no sense for art and should be fired.

Acting kafkaeske or dada is a skill wich we maybe have too. Nothing is like it seems to be. This game we can play too, it was long enough played with us. if we want! The victim and lemming role is not so much fun.

I mean... - for that, that the system tries to drive the customers crazy, it would be fair when customers driving the system crazy in exchange.

All renamed, all updated with new meanings, all made by own definition as art by artists - and then try to catch us....we are actual confused enough, it will be time to share the confusion a bit with the company.

Our world, our imagination. Some more month we have time, to make that true by being subversive, intelligent, dissident, creative and not listening to orders from muftis.

I loved this post! Thank you.

I really like this idea. I think LL should consider it. Will they? No. But I still very much like it and find it a very reasonable alternative to what LL is suggesting.

parcel media would be screwed then.

Re-posting this for Leon:

Have you ever seen a buffalo swimming backstroke?

U c...

Same with LL.