Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

I've been in world for hours tonight and haven't seen the first bit of porn.

Because of people like you, hell-bent on some personal vendetta against lifestyles with which you do not agree, on a personal crusade to "clean up" a town which, quite frankly, doesn't need cleaning!

and probably lives in California, and voted yes on Prop 8.

Thank you, Agnetha, I have been wondering this too.

To first look at a real-world parallel, I'm a member of a RL club called "Threshold" which has hundreds of members. Our events are "private" -- in other words, only we can get in, so it's our own business what activities we're doing as long as they're legal.

Now, looking back into SL: If I have a private sim island and it's set to group access only, and I have 500 friends in my landgroup who can visit my private sim... I don't have to set the Unverifieds Blockout on it because it's my private home, right?

Or no???

darnit. and you promised me you would buy the batteries this time around.

You are hysterical, and only partially in a humorous context. You talk about SL's reputation as if it is a household thing. Most people out there probably don't know SL exists at all let alone that it is allegedly naughty in nature. It does seem that the only mention SL gets is overhyped sensationalist garbage from hacks calling themselves journalists, but that's because LL does absolutely NOTHING to defend it's product to the general public, does nothing to market it beyond the niche world that it has. SL keeps telling us that Adult Content is a very small part of SL. DON'T TELL US! WE'RE HERE ALREADY! They should be telling everyone out there, SHOWING , everytime one of those negative reports come out, that there is much more to SL than just Adult Fun.And that adults expressing themselves in this matter is nothing to be ashamed of in any case. That hasn't happened, because on this matter as in most others LL has been too lazy and/or incompetent to deal with the situation.

I'm an atheist, and even I take offence at that response.

This person has outed herself so many times as an attention-seeking troll, while persistently ducking and dodging the questions asked directly of her. If she would back up her arguments with solid facts, I might have some respect for her. I'll willingly listen to anyone's argument, however contrary it might be to mine, and I'll respect their right to hold their view, but this sad case is apparently only interested in yanking everyone's chain.

Well, she's not yanking mine any more.

since there is alot of talk about porn in SL, can someone show me where , I feel so lost now and have not seen any in along time, please help guide this perv on his way

After listening to the Brown Bag, I am wondering if LL is planning to increase its capacity to allow for a more fair percentage of available land for adult content? Or, do they plan on tucking it away in a remote corner of the existing main grid thereby taking away from the current grid percentage of what is now split between PG and Mature?

My own personal thoughts concerning this incorporation of a third distinct choice "Adult Content" is rather redundant as far as the main grid is concerned as in its truest essence, the main grid is adult content seeing as how there is a split with the main grid and the teen grid. Simply put, if you do not approove of certain places you might encounter, simply do not return there.

What I am understanding, both during and after listening to the brown bag is that LL is bowing to a minority of individuals and imposing it upon the majority. This in itself is a discriminatory act by violating an individuals right to freedom of expression. I cannot speak for everyone, however I am sure there are those who will agree. And, if those individuals in the minority who have interjected these ideas will, in all honesty to themselves, think about it, I feel that they would also agree.

Well, all these authors, women or men, are very successful penetrators. They loopholed and perforated all available medias with their hard errected theories. They entered unwanted and unasked our absorptivest intimate zone: our brain! They injected a load wich we have to store and wich is after any of their abusive attacks even under the shower not easily to wash away...

The most important issue is, that they somehow managed, that we do quote their attacks and in this way we do the service for them to multiplicate their spleens for them.

Nothing than that is the background and sense of hysterical discussions and discurses, wich they start wherever they can.

The problem is, that we - and even me- walking ever and ever into the same traps and landmines wich are setted up by all these political correct people.

so true Talon

Damn, I need to go texture shopping more often!

Was the texture store in question on mature land, by any chance?

Personally I had no idea texture shopping could be so fun.

If only my RL shopping centers were like this... *dreams*..

After checking out her profile I realized that we may all have been had by a little native humor. Being Lakota myself, through the whole thing I kept wondering if she was being for real or just yanking our chains for the fun of it. As she claims to be enrolled Cherokee, it is a very real possibilty.

I still have my doubts though as so many claim to be Cherokee when in truth they are not. You know... the "everybody's grandmother was Cherokee" thing. I'd like to believe her as she provided some information (on her profile) that isn't exactly common knowledge. Considering the shortness (length) of the majority of her posts... I'm going to give her the benefit of doubt and say she was yanking all our chains with native humor until she gives me reason to believe otherwise.

Either way, humorous or serious, I understand where she may be coming from.

Profiles are supposed to be PG as per the ToS. If you see profiles like what you've described, then you are well within your right to file an Abuse Report (AR) on the profile.

I have been reading the posts with great interest and eye strain since the whole discussion came about concerning adult content. From what I have seen in the forums, the overwhelming majority are against the move of adult content to a separate area. It seems to me that the numbers reflect 2-4% NON ADULT content rather than adult content.

I have some suggestions:

Create an opt in section on the SL website and have everyone who is an ADULT SL resident (and to my understanding of TOS they should all be adults unless they are on the teen grid and this does not apply to the teen grid) go there to opt in for Adult/Mature content or opt out so that they can only view PG/G content. If they Opt in for Adult/Mature content then they have no right to complain about anything they might see. They have the right to be offended, the right to participate or the right to ignore what they see, but not to complain. They also have the right to tp to another place.

Create a separate mainland area/grid for PG/G content only. Those who have not opted in for Adult/Mature content can build there, play there, create there, meet others like themselves there, sell there, etc. Those of us who opt in for Adult/Mature content (like myself) will stay in our Mature areas and do what we choose to do with others of like mind as ourselves. If we happen to go to PG land we have the responsibilty to behave like Mature adults and make sure we are clothed appropriately and act appropriately. If we do not act appropriately then we deserve to be AR'd.

Have a menu pop up or some other device warning anyone coming into Mature/Adult areas of that fact and caution them that they might see... *gasp*... adult things. They may even see bare skin. But since they have opted in as I suggested then they would be expecting this.

Some vendors might choose to have 2 different types of shops - each type suitable for the different classifications - Adult/Mature and PG/G. Enabling everyone to purchase those things they want/need/desire in a format that pleases them, which will bring more income into SL and benefit both merchants and Linden Labs.

By offering the option to opt in or opt out you give the residents more control over their SL experience and you also enable those of us who wish to experience Adult content to continue doing so without interfering with anyone else. And this also keeps anyone else from interfering with us. Seems to be a win-win situation in my mind. And it also seems to me that this solution would entail moving less of the population - the PG/G sector (probably closer to that 2-4% mark mentioned by LL) than moving the adult/mature content population which I feel is much more than 2-4%.

And by the way... *I* Am Adult Content

No, I think you're the first to mention it. Were you able to take notes or log the chat? Some highlights?

Second Life has seemed to me to always be a melting pot, a place to mix all different people of different origins and ways of life.

The Biggest Allure of Second Life, was that you get to live out a life that is impossible for you in Real Life. Second Life is a Fantasy Life, a place where people can explore their non-mainstream whims and desires. It is a place where everything and anything is acceptable. It is a place where people can express themselves in an environment where they don't have to worry about being persecuted for their self expression.

However, it seems that a Minority of the Second Life Population, a very loud minority, would prefer not to be exposed to the self expression of other people.

The resulting plans, in my opinion should be referred to the Maturity Segregation Movement.

There is a place for people who don't want to have any profane nudity, sex, or sex acts. That place is Second Life for Teens. It is already well established.

If Linden Labs Pursues this course to it's conclusion, I foresee nothing but extreme revenue Loss for the company. Linden Labs will not learn their Mistake until after the changes have been put in place and by that time even if the changes are reversed, it will be too late. Many people will have moved on to competitive 3D environments who, Upon gaining a new influx of revenue, will find themselves capable of offering an even more comparable product, without the restrictions that Destroyed the Dream that was Second life.

As for other options, I would say that age verification is not the way. Many people are old enough, but their verification has failed in the past. In my opinion, the answer is not to force the majority of Second Life to move to a new land, evicting people who have paid their rent merely for their choice of how to use the land THEY HAVE PAID FOR. Instead, It would be a much more effective method to open a new continent for those who wish a "filtered" existence. People who feel soo strongly about living this "filtered" second life would feel strongly enough to move to this new place. Why Change the way things are, upsetting and alienating 70% of the population when you can open a new way that does not disturb any of that 70%, and fulfills the wishes of the other 30%?

Oh well. I have spoken enough. I Hope, for the sake of Second Life, that this turns out well and that Linden Labs turn from their foolish path.

Thank You.

*Sits in the back seat of a car, while Linden Lab and the minority groups drive her to 'Disneyland'*

"But I don't wanna go!... *sigh*... are we there yet?" .. ._.

I don't like them one bit it all it does is mess it up for alot of good people over some bs and a few mishaps you will lose members has that crossed your minds SL is hard enough for alot of people you will make it harder on them still we are entitled to do what we chose on here and alot of memebers chose to take part in more adilt stuff their choice is theyr own leave them alone for it and the age verifie doen't work it is a pain to do and ever time I go to a place that requires it I have to relog and clear my chase everytime I go there this is cenoreship it is wrong to mess second life up for alot of people and what ever happens leave the private homes on sl private things there is their business and at least make the age verify work better cause it is way lacking on funtionality

Oh dag it I left them inworld - I just copied the whole darn thing to two notecards rather then try to gleen highlights - going after them now

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Are we there yet? *THWACK!!!*

You have seen the second Mummy movie with Brendan Frasier haven't you?

Several times throughout this thread as well as one of the older now-locked threads, Ms. Kayo stated that she was completely in agreement with everything to do with Linden Lab's position on this issue. This would also include LL's assertion that only 2-4 percent of the grid has adult content. Now she is claiming that Second Life is one ginormous 24/7 orgy.

I don't think even she knows what she wants anymore. Wait; on second thought, I think she does. She just keeps changing arguments, tactics, rationale, and even causes, every time her current argument fails. The only reason I haven't put her on ignore is because I'm always curious to know what she's going to try next!

The wha? o.o

No porn on my sim. No cybersex at all. Except the one dork that decided to be a naked noob in the store and earned a region ban for his behavior.

Guess you are wrong. Seems there are places without porn you can go. Stop in at the public photo garden and take pics sometime. But it is a mature island and sometimes people do take product pictures of skins. If being a human bothers you to the extent you can't stand seeing a human body then maybe you should seriously consider unplugging your computer from the internet, keeping your television(s) off, and never go outside.

Have you ever read the motion picture rating system? Have you ever seen a PG13 movie? They are allowed to have nudity. That is correct. Children are allowed to see naked humans. Even in the USA.



PG13 applies to children UNDER the age of 13. It appears Linden Lab is declaring us all to be mentally under the age of 13. I think Linden Lab will face issues over this. Perhaps Linden Lab needs to hire entertainment business lawyers to help them.

I mean go look at the ratings system and compare it to the way Linden Lab is behaving lol.

http://www.mpaa.org/FlmRat_Ratings.asp

I could say more about this but no matter how the truth is stated these people will be offended and we can't have that can we.

Welcome to kindergarten life. Or rather PG13 life as Linden Lab has declared what many lawyers and congress people have worked out as acceptable as PG13 to be Linden Lab's definition of adult content.