Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

honestly thats what mature means

Looks like Mitch kapor wants more money


http://insidesecondlife.blogspot.com/2009/03/more-bad-news-for-lab.html

A source which will remain anonymous has reported to me, and I have confirmed this, that http://www.lindenlab.com/ Linden Lab CFO John Zdanowski is leaving the company as of April 15.

This marks the second major Officer of Linden Lab to leave this year, Robin Harper left recently, saying, "I’m planning to take some time to explore a few different avenues as I decide where, when and what the next chapter of my life will entail..."

Mr. Zdanowski started at Linden in September 2006 and has seen Linden Lab grow significantly from One Million a month in revenue billing to Six Million a month.

This will no doubt come as a surprise to everyone, especially those at Linden Lab, as Mr. Zdanowski believed strongly in Linden Lab, stating in a http://www.cfo.com/article.cfm/9858165CFO.com article concerning the future of Linden Lab, "I do believe that this is a very interesting company that can, in the long run, be a stand-alone public company." It seems a bit odd that a CFO, who believes his company will one day go public, would leave before that happens.

It has been rumored that Mitch Kapor has been dissatisfied with the profitability of Linden Lab and has started to replace people one by one . If this is true, one must wonder who's left to replace?

Not knowing Mr. Zdanowski myself, either personally or in-game, I will not comment on what he did or didn't do at Linden Lab for the Second Life Community. Many people I've spoke with said that Zee Linden (Mr. Zdanowski's in-world personality) was considerate and attentive to the needs of those he met. I will say this, I did invite Mr. Zdanowski to meet with me and he never replied. I of course I expect any Linden Lab employee to treat me in this manner, so it was no surprise to me.

The real question now is, just how stable is Linden Lab when their CFO is jumping ships? We, the Second Life Community, will probably never get to hear the insights Mr. Zdanowski has about operational stability, but I'm sure each of us would like to.

I do wish Mr. Zdanowski best wishes in his future endeavors, and can only hope that this isn't the start of a very dark age for Linden Lab and Second Life

think again they are always reading thats what moderators are for

This is good!

Keep in mind, as you do this, that even if you and the area owner manage to come to consensus after lots of discussion and analysis, if this policy is put into place it won't be just you and the area owner; it will be lots of different g-team folks and residents and whoever else is involved, and most likely the Lab folks will not have nearly as much time to spend. And coming to consensus will be harder. (Lots harder!)

How about we FIX the problems on SL before introducing a whole new set of other ones???
I'm hearing about creating and moving mature/adult to a new continent, which would break SLURS, landmarks and a whole bunch of stuff, all I see are problems, glitches and things going downhill rapidly.

We have lag, bugs, database problems and a whole lot of other things that should be fixed before ever even thinking of creating more problems!

Already an adult sim next to me but 600 meters in the sky has announced they have shut down till further notice, so there's a parcel of land that might be abandoned with no tier fees paid any more, and visitors not spending money there any more either- which means they won't be buying Linden dollars to use there either.

Wrong.

Disneyland was founded on the principle of providing quality, wholesome, family-friendly entertainment. If Disney suddenly started offering adult-oriented entertainment instead, it would permanently damage Disney's reputation and name - not because it offers adult entertainment, but because the name Disney is associated with family entertainment, and switching to adult would be a betrayal of its principles.

Second Life was founded on the principle of providing a near-unrestricted canvas of creativity for adults aged 18 and over. This implicitly includes adult content. If Second Life unilaterally purged itself of all adult content, it would permanently damage Linden Labs' reputation and name - not because "sex sells", but because Linden Labs would have betrayed its principles - and its founding residents.

Nice try though, Nany.

Well, the original but since-removed Adult FAQ suggested that the answer might be "yes" to that, but multiple Lindens speaking (unofficially I think) in the forum have said quite positively that the answer is "no". So there you are.

Agreed. Now answer the question.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe LL wants to clean up it's own reputation? Any article regarding SL that I read on the Internet is usually followed by comments from people who don't get it or think it is a place for perverts. This is the overwhelming view of what SL is to most people who don't understand it.

Not all founding residents are interested or even care about sex based adult entertainment. SL cannot remain in an infantile state forever. As it becomes more mainstream so will LL try to make SL a place that is basically as PG-13 as they can get it.

What we need are separate grids. For those of you who must play with pixel penises, I suggest you ban together and work hard to make OS grids comparable to SL. Something has got to change. SL cannot be the only virtual world in town. People need to lose their attachment to this place and learn to create their own virtual world communities. SL cannot be everything to everyone.

Here ya go..

https://uncensored.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1339636

So... as Second Life becomes less and less infantile, it inevitably will more and more restrict itself to things suitable for infants? That's odd...

Did anyone make the "I AM ADULT CONTENT" shirt yet?

/me considers firing up Photoshop...

yes search for the *I* AM ADULT CONTENT group in world, they have several shirts and signs. Or IM me for a tank top.

Got it, will set it out here shortly.

Just remember: it's worth what you paid for it..

: P

i wasn't able to read the entire thread, but wanted to get a post in before it gets locked, like all the other threads.

1. height - i put my nightclub up at 600 so no one would accidentally wander into it.

2. marking a business as "adult" plainly in the parcel name and on signage.

3. require age verification at registry with SL.

it only makes SENSE! LL, please use logic.

I agree, and when someone spends say L$1200 on a sex bed or goes to an adult club and spends more L's and hands tips to the dancers etc , SL gains revenue on all that.



LOL LOVE it, and you are so right!

I guess I have to wonder why and how ANYONE can be "offended" by cartoonish looking or at least pretty fake looking 3D pixels of nude bodies on a computer sim game, the same people want Bugs Bunny to have no genitals and just be flat "there" because they might see an outline or bump there and be offended, even though it's just a cartoon!

How is LL going to compensate land owners on the mainland grid who may be affected by these changes and the loss in rental revenue and possible land value.

How is LL going to manage potential complaints from avi's who inadvertently (or not) view a scene on the mainland grid, between two consenting adults, but on their own private land?

I am concerned about censorship, and definitions.

I am concerned about the art community and what consititutes adult, xxx and pornography. These are every day issues that have not been resolved in our first lives.

Who's cultural or religious beliefs and definitions will become the guide?

Is our language soon going to be censored as well?

Where does this begin?

Where does it end?

This is half thought out. There is no easy solution. Jumping on the band wagon to censorship and control is precarious? This is not something the LL should be looking at putting in place in mere months. These are issues and discussions that should take place in responsible and open forums for possibly years.

Respectfully submitted

From what I understand, these changes are being made because a minority group have been complaining about Adult content in MATURE Sims. WHile I can understand their views, the fact is that they go into these adult themed Sims, and complain about the content there. They should at least have the decency to respect that though they may not like it, there are others who do like this kind of thing. Also, they jump on people who come from adult Sims to a PG Sim as a child avatar, accusing them of Age Play. This is incredibly rude, and should not be tolerated, because those people are going there to have fun, not get yelled out and be accused of Age Play. There is also the matter of legality of these complaints. in the Bill of Rights in the U.S. Constitution, Amendment 1 states that Free Speech shall not be infringed upon. Adult style Sims are a form of Free Speech by the people who own them, and I believe that the coming changes should not be put into effect. If these minority groups don't like these adult themed Sims, then all I can say is stay out of them, and stay in PG Sims.

Today I saw a gigantic member being tossed about by a griefer on Help Island. Luckily, my kid was nowhere near the screen. If it's so difficult to keep PG areas PG - and I think we can all agree thrusting a 2m member at people is NOT PG - then how is this going to be even close to workable?

Don't get me wrong - griefing is griefing. But that's an ad hoc, individual basis. It's not an attempt at a blanket set of rules.

As a sociologist, I'm worried about putting all sexuality in a "special" place. Throwing it off to the side simply stigmatizes sex even further, and that's not a good thing. (It's arguable that our repression of sexuality is what makes the extreme kinks so appealing.) There is the question of who decides what is and isn't extreme - and if the official and unofficial rules differ, that's A Very Bad Thing.

What about textual content? What about the people flirting - and more - in public? What about actual authors in SL?

In an interview, Cyn Linden said: "t will help businesses and education [groups] to feel more comfortable about what they encounter" when they go in-world." Aren't there already education islands? Why can't businesses and educational institutions classify their own lands PG? (As I write this, I'm standing in the University of KY's land, which is Mature.) All of us on the adult grid are supposed to be ADULTS. Part of being an adult is not being mollycoddled into thinking that everyone out there is like us.

Personally? I think sex in SL is silly. It looks funny. I don't have anything to do with it myself. But that doesn't mean it's not part of (virtual) reality. Second Life has thrived - and a large part of its fascination for me - is because anything can happen. Limiting that - even for the best of reasons -

Even as a PG-business owner, this information is useful - I would like to get an idea of how many of my customers might leave SL altogether if they find themselves restricted from accessing adult content. Also, I am starting to wonder how many of my customers make their shopping money through adult-oriented activities, because if they no longer are able to make their money, they won't be spending it with me, either.

Will this have a broader impact that many of us can imagine right now? Will vast swaths of current mainland become even emptier because people take off and leave, either for the new continent, or for estates, or out of SL altogether? Even if the new policies aren't going to be as restrictive as some imagine, there's so little information out there, and some people will overreact and bail without knowing what's really going to happen.

Simple, their not.



AR them and banish them to the adult continent.



Agree.

I think we should trick them out. Renaming all incriminated things and giving them new meanings.

Principe: a painter or an author is not and never responsible for all what a reader or a visitor of a museum is seeing in an artwork.

Some people committing suicide after reading Goethes "Werther", some people starting to dance on the table after reading Goethes "Werther".This or that is never the problem of the author.

We should trick their new censoring system with all creativity we have, to make them as crazy and confuse and mad and unusable as possible. (Wich is the same they do with us, so it will be the right answer!) We should do really mad things, complete nonsense, hacking and infecting the censor and rating system with all available alphabetical and semantic tricks including to give all functions complete different meanings and the same to all sorts of acting!.

RP can be renamed in "philosophical seminar" or whatever.

We can give all "adult" or "mature" things totaly harmless names and also other descriptions for their functions and vice versa we can rename a skateboard for example "penis" and a coffeecup "pussy" and an umbrella "nipple".

Same with editable poseballs. New forms, new names, new description of functions.

What said Torley ever in every video? "Be creative"..., hehehe

And all acting we can call for example "neo-tango" or "alternative sport", whatever.

In other words: we can make a whole big mess with their plans, instead of waiting passive until we are not longer able to be active.

Because, at the moment we are in lemming-status. This has to end. Let's show them what we have learned as prim- and alphabetic- and acting- transforming-fantasy- artists all the years.

Maybe Second Life is nothing but a porn website like the people here are insisting it is.

This confrontation will settle the matter.

If Linden Lab yields to the sex industry, this is a pornography website, and business, nonprofit and education have no place here.