Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

I understand your point of view, and I respect that. However, you need to understand that Second Life IS primarily adult. It was founded on that principle, and succeeds on that principle. There are far better, more suitable venues and mechanisms for you to achieve your goal of staying in contact with your kids than through an adult-oriented medium.

Trying to use a hammer to turn screws is just not going to work no matter how hard you try to make it work. True, you could always machine down the hammer until it becomes a screwdriver, but wouldn't it be far easier to have just simply reached for the screwdriver in the first place?

If you are sincere in your intent to stay in visual contact with your kids, then might I suggest more suitable venues such as IMVU or There? Or, perhaps, just pick up a cheap webcam and videoconferencing software, and see your children as they truly are - not an avatar representation?

as a Resident of Secondlife , this Concerns me very much in a Way this is like a Book burning hunt. yes there are some area's on second life that I dont go , because they Really embaress me , they dont offend me just embaress. and as for what one considers Adult content and NOt adult content is up to that person. As I understand it there is a Teen gride for the Teenages and how they get on the Adult gride , well maybe their parents should moniter what they do a little bit more often. There are those here in SL that think that NO one should show their Creative , and we Should ALL look as we do in RL , HUMAN is this next on the aganda to change? yes there should be a way to age verify ones age , and for those that dont want to see Adult content in Search well dudh there is a little check window that can be checked as to wither you want to include Adult content or not. and as for the sim's its Marked at the top of the Bar if its a mature sim or not and if they can not Read How did they get on Second life in the first place. Linden labs goes through with this ALL residents are going to be pushed into ONE little corner and the ones behind all this , they walk by someones home and see anything that involves a Sex pose ball Well that is Adult content , OH no move it . in a way Linden labs is letting these people get to them when they shouldnt ,in my eyes its the same thing as a preacher getting caught in the adult store by his wife and now he is trying to cover up what he was doing by turning it around and blameing it on Morals, and Why should Linden Labs accomodate the ones behind this little witch hunt. Its we the Residents of SecondLife that make it what it is ,NOT the NEW"S and there are soo many Great things about Secondlife that one can not even begin to name. Maybe that is what the problem is These so Called do gooders dont like it because SecondLife has Accomplished something no one else ever has The Whole World Liveing and Getting along in One World.

You have just banned me from being in my own sims. Both of our sims are parts of estates. One of which I pay for every week and is in my name the other which my other half pays for and is in his name. Of course since both sims are parts of estates neither one is actually (legally as far as LL is concerned) in our names. But since both sims are designated Mature and I have not done the age verification and I no longer have a premium account and haven't for years.... are you going to force me to disclose my age as well as pay for a premium account just so I can access my own mature sims?? Why should I have to have my age verified after having been in SL for 5 years just so I can access my own sim?? Why should I be ostracized just because I don't pay LL directly for my sims or don't want my personal imformation stored in some database that can be hacked by anyone who has the knowledge and the desire to do so?

See my point?

good analogy. Arguments here would suggest that Disney would make a lot of money because the sex industry is such a profitable and important part of entertainment.

Lots of mummy's and daddy's do that on the internet anyway hun. Sorry to burst your little bubble, but even parents are allowed to be horny and look up porn on the net while their kids are at school. I'll have you know that my security guard at my sex club is actually parent, and she has problems mixing the fun of her SL with her RL.

You can't walk on a sculpted megaprim, dear. Not like you can on real terrain.

No, the shops that are the equivalent of a seedy downtown XXX DVD rental store and dirty magazine shp won't care. Possibly half the strip clubs won't care.

But I've also been to whole sims that were essentially one big brothel, that made beautiful use of terrain, trees, Linden water and detailed prim-work to make a fantastic setting, with pretty courtyards and landings where people could socialize, cozy little tree houses and bungalos for the naughty activities, and a truly beautiful setting. I had a dozen or more friends that worked there as escorts. They loved it, and their customers loved it.

Ever been to Xcite's main store? Go take a look. No one will force you to but a collar or prim adult parts. It's a gorgeous reproduction of a 1950's timber-built ski lodge, and is located in a snow-country sim. There is no snowy terrain in Ursula, let alone any snowy mountains. Their store would look as out of place in Ursula as an igloo in the Bahamas, if they are on the mainland now, and not a private island sim. And I am pretty sure they are mainland.

And the last set of definitions the Lindens gave also included any "sex themed areas", with no exemption for residential or non-commercial use. So anyone who has anything more adventuresome than one Queen bed or two Twin beds per bedroom in a structuure styled like a suburban house could, and probably would, be lumped in with the strip joints and escorts, even if it was solely for their own use with a select number or people in their household. Someone who thinks it may be fun to decorate a bedroom like a dungeion, and have any scripted toys that don't look like Mr and Mrs Cleaver's 1950's TV bed, could well fond themslves forced to be on the new Adult Only restrictions.

Who exactly ARE these mythical end-users chomping at the bit to get into a sanitized Second Life? If there are so many of these people waiting in the wings, why haven't other business ventures who have done exactly what you are suggesting LL do been successful?

Methinks this market you describe simply doesn't exist.

If you ever had a Premium account or credit card info on file, you're already adult verified, under LL's current plan. Your account doesn't say "No Payment Info on File" if you used to be a Premium member.

And it's LL who is insisting on verified status. I am just offering a suggestion there for how they might make it work, given what they say they WILL do no matter how much we scream. (In fact, I suspect they enjoy the sounds of our screams...)

If it were up to me, I'd drop this whole nonsense plan, and make a PG-Only continent.

Basically the message I'm getting from LL and about 2 other people on this forum is:

"Your sick! Your dirty! Your not normal! We hate you and we want you to be locked away to a different location in SecondLife so we never have to see you"

I have never told anyone in SL that their interests shouldn't be allowed in just because I don't like them. I have never pushed my way of thinking on anyone or done anything but try to play nice with everyone and get along. And yet I'm "not normal"?? Yet these people telling me what's right and what's wrong are somehow??

Screw LL and screw this, this change goes through I'll just sell my land and be a free account. They don't want my money, FINE!! I'LL KEEP IT!! .. they don't want the 125USD a month from my sim tier, I'll keep it and spend it on better things.

Linden Lab can go sit on a fork and rotate for all I care.

There are an awful lot of businesses and other organizations that restrict display of sexual content and behavior.

Even most taverns and bars do.

True however that account was my original account which I no longer have and have not had for years as I thought I had already mentioned. Also I have moved 3000 miles since then. This account does have that info on it but only because it was created prior to a number of changes. It has never been more than a basic account with the grandfathered 50L stipend. Any alts I have created since then do not have "Paymet Info Used" on them which means if I want to log into my alt for some peace and quiet from the everyday business/tenant "stress" I will not be able to be in my own sims because there is no pyament info on file for my alt.

My point is your idea would work fine if everyone was a premium account but not everyone is nor can everyone afford to be. Should those people be ostracized because of a fixed or low income? I don't think that would be right nor fair.

Okay, I can understand that. It makes sense.

However, scrubbing all of SL of all "filth and profanity" is not a good way to go about that goal, any more than scrubbing all of RL of the same. The latter has been tried, repeatedly in our history. Each attempt has ended tragically and ultimately caused irreparable harm to our social fabric.

The best way to achieve this goal is to do what I and scores of others here have suggested: Create a G-rated continent. We gain a new, safe, clean place to play and interact, and nobody loses anything. Everybody wins. Well, everyone except for those who want to see all smut purged from all existence .

/me votes that that be segregated as "Adult"...for all those Oreo freaks...*giggles*

Wow... I certainly hope that is not the message you are getting from me because that is not how I see it nor intended to come across. As long as you aren't flaunting it in my face or causing someone harm what you do is your business. It's not up to me to judge whether you are "normal" or not.


Here is what I live by:

I am who I am and what I am. I walk my own path and I walk it alone. No one can walk it for me. I am not in this world to live up to your expectations nor are you in this world to live up to mine. I am at peace with our Grandfather, the Creator. You say you have the truth and the only way. Your truths are not the same as mine. Your path is not my path. You say that I will never know the love of God and will always suffer from separation from God. I say the Creator loves us all and He has always been with me. You say what you believe is not man made but of the one true God. I say the Creator made all things and all things are of the one true God. I am who I am and what I am. I walk my own path and I walk it alone. No one can walk it for me.


And yes I did write that a long time ago.


Oh and one more thing to live by...

Don't judge me until you have walked in my moccassins.

This whole excuse of seperating "Adult Content" from your percieved "Ready for teenagers" world is flawed by two MAJOR issues:

1: You can't support more than 80,000 concurrent users, so why are you bothering with this until you upgrade and stablize the environment as it exists today

2: You fail to listen to the majority of your customers, since the VAST majority has spoken out against this, which goes to prove that your "Customer Service" is pathetic.

I would suggest you fix the above two problems before you try something else.

Why don't you clean up your own act before asking us to clean up ours ? Until you do, you will never be taken seriously ....

Compare what Linden Lab is trying to do with how the entertainment business deals with this material having had to undergo the cost of all the legal and congressional challenges:

http://www.mpaa.org/FlmRat_Ratings.asp

And Linden Lab thinks they can just make stuff up on the fly?

I.e.; kids are allowed to see stuff Linden Lab will not allow adults to see.

What is up here? Is Linden Lab run by the Church or Muslims all of a sudden? What is the motivation here?

It is not a virtual grid (but on thousands of control-station-screens it is a virtual grid, to control the systems there and to check the survival-systems of the protagonists) , but to name it: there is a thingy in Orbit wich is called ISS - wich is a relative big grid, with very international staff, from many countries and from all continents - thingy is a space-orbiter-station with science tools of all sorts, from medicine up to any high-tech-research items... and people from all around the globe are working in and on it and with it and around it - some live at location, some via remote controls on earth - it is very, very high tech and they do build there things and customize things in masses, they even will create there new things wich we never saw before, not only Teflon, wich is an old hat taken from space science but some other nice things more - so, yes, and it is: not virtual and virtual in one... The avatars there are real, but appearing virtual in a sense of the vocable, on screens in Houston, Darmstadt, Beijing, Vienna, Dheli, Moscow, Tokyo, Seoul, and blablabla, wherever you like...

The first idea of something like this artificial uterus in orbit, was the MIR... but was in a status like,... ahm..., I think now on a specific company-technic, wich is somehow...an actual russian-like improvisation style...but made in San Francisco, lol.

It's not about defining PG versus mature, it's about defining adult versus mature. If you want a more predictable PG experience you should be in favour of the PG continent, I've had a PG parcel on the edge of a sim that neighbours a mature sim and it makes PG status usueless, only a PG continent will fix that issue.

Oh, puh-LEASE! That is a very considerable reach! One that doesn't even justify any further comment!:eek NOEZ!!!

Okay, seriously. The ONLY reason people hold this sort of perception is because the media, on a slow news day, spoon-fed them this perception. Taking the time to employ a little bit of critical thinking would do much to dispel these perceptions. Taking a little *more* time to go in and see for oneself what's going on would do even more to dispel these perceptions.Indeed we do. We also have the right to oppose others' opinions. We also have the right to challenge others' opinions on their factual merits. We also have the right to point and laugh when others make fools of themselves on the forums with outlandish claims and red-herring arguments.

Nice ty for this action your taking. Least it makes some sense at last =) and probably more productive than this thread.

My notecard is waiting for you inworld. I'll be very interested to see what you think

Are you and Nany twins?

No, you're tagged as adult verified. Actually being verified would be a very, very different thing..

Sigh. I might as well stick my $2L in here even though it will be drowned out by the sheer number of posts.

1. Merging the two grids seems stupid to me. I can't even remotely make a real-world business case for doing it seeing as how it will just annoy everyone more than it will attract new people. This whole issue seems like a manufactured one. No one at LL has been able to articulate the reason or need for doing this.

2. I really do not want to be associating with teens. I'm a 30-something and well past that.

3. The complexities of trying to move people and mange content seems wayyyy beyond the scope of anyone's ability to manage. Cothing, attachments, penis bikes, scripted whatevers, pose balls, RP, package graphics, etc., etc. -- it's all over the place.

4. Turning the teen grid into a family grid seems better.

5. IF they have to merge the two grids, why not make the teen grid a new continent and leave everything else alone? I'm sure this is possible.

6. If LL bribes me with a waterfront mature parcel in a new continent then I'm ok giving up my lowly view lot.

VOTE NO ON PROPOSITION LL!!!!

No hun, not you. To be polite I won't name the two which I feel that way about, and I agree with everything I quoted above. (Except I'm not one myself for religion, but that's a personal preference, and I can see what you meant with it). I avoid judging people when ever I can. When I have to judge folks, I judge them based on the potential goodness they have, rather than the potential undesireableness (that a word?).

But the general message I've gotten from a couple others here in the forum and LL as a whole is that they have judged me as 'unwanted' and 'not normal' and thus are trying to push me away into a corner to be hidden.

I don't try to push my beliefs or preferences on others, but at the same time, I don't feel that I should have to hide them. You know?

For a RL example, I don't think gay people should have to hide the fact they are gay, or avoid it coming up in discussion. They should be free to talk about it, like anyone else is free to talk about their sexuality. But at the same time, it wouldn't be right for a gay person to complain about straight people talking about their sex life.

((Actually had a case of that in SL the other week, a gay male furry told me to put on clothes because at the time my av was a nude human female. Considering I was in *my* club and I happen to know the rules there very well (because I wrote them), and know they state that everyone of every gender, sexual preference and species is welcome.. clothed or unclothed ... I thought it was very rude.))

EDIT: Although I still maintain my belief that "Linden Lab can go sit on a fork and rotate for all I care."