Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

I love how my words are twisted in this thread.

You say one thing that's mildly supports one thing LL is doing (but not the other) and suddenly, I'm a dirty Linden supporter.

Lovely community.


All I support is the movement of mature parcels on the mainland. That's it. I heavily dislike the age verification system and add to that, the system isn't working.

Also, LL have said themselves in a Q&A that this is NOT a precursor to merging the grids.

THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!!!

A Small Group Of Elitist Sexaphobics Screaming A Lot

That's what this gets down to. The outside corporate lands in SL are not getting the expected cash RL flow they expected from their 3D billboards here ( They call them lands. I do not ). That type of corporate identity selling is ignored and/or laughed at by the vast majority of grid residents. Many RL corporations thought they could establish themselves here and continue their brainwashing here, with their unlimited RL financial resources.

Lo and behold, they have to deal with the same tools and in-world stream of conscious attentions all of the non-corporates utilize and second-live with all the time. And because this is driven by all of us as creators and appreciators of such, their "creations" have to stand on equal footing with us, meaning most of those places are ghost towns. Thankfully.

Well, for me, after some thought, it's obvious. They're ALL counting on making money from more media/marketing impressionable teens by a merger of the grids.

Connected to this, for obvious reasons, are a small group of concerned ( and along with them, technophobic and sexaphobic ) crusaders. Btw, I do know "sexaphobic" isn't a real word. ^_^

The corpies want a guarantee to a group of residents who are more likely to spend money with them or get their parents to. This makes LL happier, if it brings in even more corporate cash. The small group of exclusionary crusaders have a cause to latch onto that almost no one has the courage to question in public eyes. They are using this unwritten alliance to further their own agendas.

The crusaders look good with this upcoming policy change. They will certainly undermine creativity in SL wherever their "cause" or plain ol' jealousy feels an attack is needed.

The corporations look good with the prospect of being allied with the crusaders protecting our youth. Everyone will ignore their stupefying evils on teens' real life and pocket-books as they are distracted by the slogans of ( mostly ) well-meaning crusaders.

LL looks good for pushing forth a policy change that protects us and brings in even more outside corporate money.

Looks like it will to me. Searching on keyword "furniture" without Include Adult content checked would not display this add under the new policy. Looks like you will not even be able to check Include Adult content unless you are age verified.

edit: If it is just a matter of the business owner deliberately breaking the TOS, that's pretty easy to deal with the same way they would any other TOS violation.

This is an adult game it says so before u make an account. If ppl get offended by adult content than they shouldnt be on SL. If u dont like what u see, hear or do than log off and uninstall the SL Viewer from ur pc, its that simple. I have been playing SL since 2005, this is my second alt in that time frame and I enjoy SL very much just the way it is. I am also a club owner and hate the fact that I will have to remove my club and rebuild it on the new continent just to make some whiners happy. SL I feel will lose some very good businesses and customers when this takes place. I will continue to play SL and see how things go but if things go south with this than I too will be one of the many to walk away.

i mean am i wrong to say that...i mean come on parents keep a better eye on what your teenagers are doing for god's sakes...both my kids play secondlife and i make sure they are on the teen grid....

Learn to read Linden Speak... "at this time"... think about it.

I have yet to see anyone twist your words or attack you for being "a Linden supporter".

exactly right travis....i'm sure ll labs will loose quite a few over this...i understand they want to keep their buisness but come on...you guys rake in how much cash a year with secondlife? i know thousands of that is money comin out of my pocket but ya know what it's worth it cause it's fun...i come home from a stressful day at work log onto sl and it's a place i can unwind....best of all my kids are sittin right next to me and we all play together...sure not in the same area's but still...both my kids' turn 18 in 3 days so i'll be regestiring them they cant wait to get on the normal grid...

Does it come as any surprise that almost no one believes them?

I'm kind of late to the discussion and there are already hundreds of posts that I don't have the time to scan through to see if what I am saying is a repeated point, so apologies if this is rehash #2580.

I actually feel that proposals to segregate content are fine are actually help set up expectations and better delineations of what kind of experience can be expected than the current 'pure' PG / Mature system. I would actually propose that in the longer term both the extreme content and the PG content be taken out of the current mainland and placed on specific continents for reasons I will explain further below.

What is perhaps *most* essential is that Linden Lab, as much as it dislikes to practice delineation, gives very clear guidelines on what defines PG content, what defines Mature content and what defines Adult content, in the same manner that exists with film classifications. These are sufficiently broad and generally unambiguous enough to cover all films produced and at the same time instantly give a clue as to the nature of the content. (The EU codification in particular gives codification on violence / sexual content / language levels etc.)

My own feelings would be that it would perhaps be better in the long run, for both PG content and the 'extreme' content to be geographically separated from the current mainland, as it exists, with the PG content perhaps being moved first.

A whole, separate continent for PG content would allow those who wish to only work in such an environment to do so and would perhaps create a more easily regulated area to move infohubs and welcome zones into - serving as a universal 'starting point' for everyone. This is perhaps most important given the repeated suggestions now that the teengrid will merge / move into the main grid. The PG continent(s) would allow this neutral, all users, totally acceptable, non-risque area for educators, corporates, non-profits, teens, religious groups and people who in general don't want to be around sexual / adult / violent content to build and host activities etc.

The mainland, as it currently is, should be categorised as "mature", closed to teens, where the content is more adult-centric, but at the same time is sufficiently tightly worded that things like sex-clubs, brothels, pornography stores and "hardcore" kept out. I did a quick straw-poll amongst friends with businesses about why they didn't have a store presence on the mainland. Various reasons from creative freedom, to expense were cited, but the afterthought always tagged on was that "..that and someone would probably buy the plot next door and fill it with a porn dungeon brothel". These people aren't prudes by any means (some have raised eyebrows for their controversial artwork), they just don't want to be in the same neighbourhood as these more extreme types of activity.

I think having an "Adult" continent will, too, provide some cover for those people involved in these activities, because they will be doing so in an area specifically delineated for this content and will be protected from rogue ARs from someone who wanders through a build and finds it offensive. A friend once had an artshow that was considered to have adult material in it and even though it was on a mature sim, he was still continually harassed by the owner of a club next door who found the content of the art offended his sensibilities. Had the terms of "mature" been better defined, it would have helped both individuals out (the artist by providing some guidelines on content, the clubowner on what to expect when he bought land in the region).

These are just my few thoughts on the issue.

Thankyou! *bows*



Doesn't matter if you like what we do or not, the simple matter of fact is we have every right to do it. We bought our land, and we have every right to do what we want with it. I personally find it more offensive that you would just delete and remove my club without giving a rats-*** about me, just because you don't like it and think you could make more money with something else. I'm GLAD you don't run LL as you seem to actually have a slightly worse mindset than LL.

There is no reason why sex, voilence and education and familes aren't all exist on SL. Why? Well, just look at the internet!! Any person on the internet is just a url away from either wikipedia to lookup a medical disease, or a url away from looking at naked chicks giving oral service to men. People have learnt this and know to just lookup what interests them and ignore what doesn't.

There is a reason why education and business don't invest in SL, and it's nothing to do with the adult content, it's because SL is a terrible platform, with the system software AND management, BOTH highly unstable in their performance and decisions. Who the hell would want to invest money in a world where the Gods can change the rules at any time without your permission? The way LL treats us small people is a great example to the large corporations of how they would be treated.

And the message to them is, "We're LL, and we don't care about how much you don't like us, nor how much money our decisions make you lose, or what you want. We just want to make as much profit as we can, and don't give a damn how." -- (Hell if they thought there was more money in the sex they would promote it.. and probably did at the start of SL to help it get started).

So why the hell would any large business's invest in SL? Especially when you kick out all the adult users from it and are left with just 40,000 bots online constantly. There is so few people in SL now that corporations can't be bothered to get in there now! Why would they be more likely to go in when you remove half of the userbase?

As for those who think it's annoying when you stumble onto sex or voilence when going about the mainland. Well that's more or less your own fault, no body makes you enter these places. The sky isn't a public road and neither is the ground, you wander from the place your at and into the next sim your going from one privately owned piece of land onto another.

And even still, generally when you enter these places, there is a substantial warning before you get to the heart of the action. Usually in the title at least, "GAY DRAGON YIFFY CLUB!! (Mature)", or the like is a big hint that if you don't like adult content, turn around!

If you have people actually come up to you without warning and display sexual acts or voilence infront of you in PG areas, then AR them as they are griefers (and probably the teens that LL refuses to admit exist). And don't represent me or other mature adults who like adult content at all.

As for who would want to be in SL when there is so much porn here. I'm trying to think of another system that is very similar actually, I think it's called the internet. It's a popular thing these days I hear, and many companies have setup a webspace there. I guess the endless porn on the net didn't stop them eh?

As for if adult content is making LL any money or not...

"Sex sells" - That saying has been around for a long time.. wonder why...

Protip: Look harder for the word twisting and there's more than one way to attack someone than in a forum post.


I'm talking about a more recent Q&A on this very project they're doing. It was in the Second Life wikia.

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content_Forum_Transcript


Anyways, I think I'll take a break from this thread.

I'd like to see them add a couple flags in the Preferences, if all this is such a "done deal".

Teleport / Parcel Entry Restrictions
Allow teleport / parcel entry for:
Damage Enabled land ( )Yes (X)No
"Extreme Violence" designated sims ( )Yes (X)No
"Adult" designated sims ( )Yes (X)No
"Mature" designated sims ( )Yes (X)No
"PG" designated sims (X)Yes ( )No

Default conditions as shown above, and if you are not Age Verified or if you are No Payment Info On File, you can't check Yes on the Adult, Mature and Extreme Violence options.

Based on that designation, any attempt to teleport, including automated re-routes to a random destination if the chosen TP or Login location was not available, would first check the ratings of the destination, then check your preferences. If you were trying to go someplace where your ratings choices didn't allow it, you would get a "Destination Unavailable - Teleport Blocked" message, similar to the one you are supposed to get now if you try to TP to a private island sim that has the age verification required flag active, and you aren't age verified. An automated reroute would have to pick a suitably rated destination.

Attempts to enter a parcel that fails to meet your preferences, at ANY altitude, would be treated like running into ban lines. You would see a visible barrier, and a drop-down dialog such as "access denied by content ratings", possibly with an option to authorize a one-time exception, if your age or payment validation status allowed that choice.

Someone who only wants a PG experience in SL can just check the PG option, and leave the rest unchecked, and they can only go to PG locations.

Someone who is active in Adult activities and who does not want to risk accidentally entering a PG or even mature area with genitalia showing and bondage attire worn can check only the "Adult" box, and would be limited to only Adult locations.

Choice. Real choice.

Not a gun in your mouth and someone shouting "DO YOU BELIEVE?" and demanding a conversion to their beliefs, or else...

So I was just in-world and I was reading some of those I AM ADULT CONTENT note cards that I have been getting and I decided to join the group. I wanted to see who created it and take a look at the notices. This way I can keep an ear open as to what is being said. I joined the group chat and quickly got an IM from one of the group members asking me to visit his place and tell me whether or not I thought it would be Mature or Adult. I must admit, it was hard to judge at first but we talked about it and I think it was really helpful.

So, with that being said: I was hoping that some of you posters here could send me a SLurl to some of your places so that the team and I can pop around and take a look. Here is what I'm looking for:

- A notecard with a LM/slurl to builds and parcels that are borderline between Mature and Adult. I'm not looking for LM to sex clubs or anything like that - but rather the gray shades in between. If you are sitting there wondering whether you should be Mature or Adult, then send the LM.

- Include a SHORT (one or two sentence) description of your area.

- Drop it onto Blondin Linden in-world. I'll collect them all day tomorrow.

I was at the CeBIT. Famous IT fair in Europe. I saw there video-conference systems in a quality that my mouth stands open until today and further and it was hard to sample up my fallen out eyes after checking the technic, so much impressed I am. Extraordinaire speed and quality of sound and video, giant screens, ultra-clear, no lag, finest design, ultra-fast, the realism is like all the people of a globewide meeting would be physical in one room. Universities and serious biz will use these technics better, than duckwalking as ugly or sweet faced avas with fake names. Listen - with todays technics it is possible that an US-american doctor can operate a client in an european hospital with all necessary chirurgic instruments via remote technics, remote optics and remote driven control instruments, via satellite or ultra-speed undersea lightfast-highspeed-wire-connection.

So, there is no serious reason for serious organisations, to use fake gras, fake sand, childish looks and moves and prims, to meet, to interact, to develope or to discuss serious themes.

They can see each other as real persons, interact and even do complex and sensible fine-tuned operations and whatever collective experiments over thousands of kilometers as easy and as perfect like never before and as the real people and faces and brains they are.

It's pure nonsense, with that technics in background, to duckwalk around as avatar. In recession times companies are investing in such systems to prevent the costs of traveling around the world, but they also prevent to walk around as farcical pixel figures.

Real serious science and serious biz will never happen in here.

And if, then not long. With or without adult ratings. LL is living in an illusion, if they think they could drop their core-customers, in hope big biz will move in in masses.

They are sitting on an error by hybris, if they think they could competite with these other professional high tech developements around.

Maximum some smaller/microsmall biz, some sub-important mini brands with no name and some not so very serious blabla will held in Sl, but if it goes about pro-management and pro-science, then pro systems will be prefered by companies and universities with a name - this means: without the indirection via avatars - because there is no reason to act as avatar when one can act and interact as real one on much better high-tech systems.

This here is, as often said, a playground and a platform for self-design and self-experiment and some prim based micro biz for hobbyists and with luck,some extra income but mostly its only extra invest of real life income in: nothing (except fun)

If they take that away or restrict to death, they are done. Because we are then gone. And with us: all money.

We can visit the Lindens then under the bridge and bring them a burger wich is over from yesterday, as solidaric caritative altruistic act.

Yes it has.

Estate and private sim owners will have to flag if their land is Adult or PG, if flagged as adult, no one un-verified or without payment info doesn't get in. If flagged as PG anyone with adult content will have to move to the adult continent.

For you to not know this is remarkable. It is one of the first things Blondin Linden said. Go back and read the rest of thread.

Protip?? lol!

You have no idea who you are talking to nor do you have any idea of the many years of experience I have had on the internet including the old SciFi Channel forums where every other poster was a troll and even someone that called you friend yet would attack you under another id. I've been on many forums, owned a few, in many chats, owned a few, was in AW for many years and was one of the top builders as well as owning 6 worlds at once... Yeah I think you do need to take a break. No offense meant.

How will this work with mature groups?
Will users who aren't age-verified but are in adult groups already get the boot?

We'll get you a sculpted mega with some trees on it.

Honestly, aren't we working just a little too hard to find ANY objection to any change at all? I really dont' think SlinkySammy's Strip Club or Nova NaughtyBits Sex Animation shop will die on the vine for lack of that little hill on the side of the building.

of the Brown Bag meeting.

I have a question which was not addressed. How will this affect what is seen in profiles? And yes I know that they can turn off the visibility of groups. I just want to know what such restrictions there would be.
This concerns me as I rent land to several who are into the BDSM lifestyle. They keep all their activities indoors so no problem there and there are no clubs or selling allowed on the land I own (yes,on a Mature sim).
But,I consider it my responsibility to tell them what is about to transpire due to the changes that are coming. I don't want them to receive an AR because they are unaware. Many of them are very new to SL and have no idea that this is even being discussed. I still fear I will lose them as renters if not for the NPIOF but the age verification. Many like to remain completely anonymous and this could be an issue for them. I don't want to send them into a panic either!

Please advise, so that I may advise my renters, Thanks!

It seems that JustAnother Lomu has deleted her referenced post (me smells an alt anyway)... But, if there's a place in SL with "unnatural sex stuff everywhere" 24/7, why haven't I found it yet -- and, can I have a landmark?

I have a better idea. The issue is simple.

The friendly PN is still going to go attack PG/G sims so the requirement for identity verification needs to be on accessing G/PG sims. That way only people that can be tracked down for prosecution can access the G/PG sims. And I expect the PN to be coming up with even more horrible and offensive stuff since they will know exactly where the easily offended bible study class is.

Linden Lab has this backwards.

As for what you said nice try on slipping mature in. The identity verification will be for ADULT designations as it stands. Not "mature" since really mature will cease to exist since LL can't tell the difference between kindergarten and the horrid real world.

Or better yet maybe, If Linden Lab does not like their product anymore, sell it off to someone that understands entertainment because that is all SL is and will ever be or shut it off. It is as simple as that. Linden Lab no longer wants to be involved in what we were allowed all this time to build on the hosting plans we paid for apparently.

I would love to see what happened if Disney announced they were changing to adult entertainment fantasy parks. That is the inverse of what Linden Lab is doing to us.

Their deal. Eat it or quit.

Sounds great. Is there a virtual world somewhere already using this kind of tech? I would be interested in how easy it is to build things/customize them and how international the user base is.

ok, I'm still back in the 160's page range as I post this so forgive me if it has already been stated somewhere in between as I catch up...

to the people who are claiming that wiping the grid of any violent or adult content is a good thing for education and or business...

look at some of the most talked about advertising campaigns in the real world. the levis commercial where the people were invisible but the jeans were taken off, or the snickers man kiss. While not completely explicit in either case, there were the undertones of what you want removed that made those advertising campaigns so effective. The basic fact of the matter is SEX SELLS, it sells itself and it sells everything else. it sells shampoo, it sells makeup, it sells mens aftershave, cars... really the list goes on and on.

and that's just the business side

education... history, folklore, once again don't think that a blanket removal is going to help you, in fact considering history alone it could hurt education. A true historical discussion of world war 1, would get graphic depictions of how people died using mustard gas. Depending on how true to history you are in your teaching your lessons could EASILY fall under adult. And that doesn't even touch the sex side of education such as folklore (yes I've read some that have sex content, ZOMG!).

and I'm sure a number of other educated people can put in their own examples of how a truly educational discussion could turn into 'adult content'.


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Now I know that right now it is only a couple of voices calling for bleaching the land of anything that is not disneyfied, but really those people need to open their eyes. Especially if they're hiding behind education or business. Sure, ask for moderate safety for your clients or students, whatever. Go buy an island if you really want control. But bleaching the land will hurt your ambitions more than any nipple slip. Instead how about participate in making REASONABLE definitions so that we can coexist in this world.

/me steps off the soapbox

now to get back to catching up