Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Sure. Myself and my RL other half (who is also in SL and over 30 years experience in the computer industry) would love the opportunity to do something about the incompetence. And seeing as how LL has offices not all that far away from us....

We would dearly love to shake them up and get them to "smell the coffee".

Yep. There will have to be an additional bit added to the database so we can mark items as "Adult", thus restricting sale from unverifieds regardless of how they are purchased. That is going to happen whether LL goes down its current path or wakes up and smells the mocha latte.


I don't want it either. I see nothing at all wrong with having a FAMILY grid and a MAIN grid. But LL seems to dislike having to keep two separate inventory systems for some reason. I suspect the cost isn't the problem, but more that it doesn't fit their big picture goal of SL becoming the next generation of the World Wide Web and open to everybody. Frankly, I think the idea that anybody would prefer a 3d interface for finding information is absurd - it makes for more expensive hardware and less intuitive interfacing with the user. The only thing SL does better than the web is allow browsing when you shop. That's it. And that's not enough to replace Firefox, no matter how fervently Phillips wants to.

What would happen if EVERYONE started going naked on Fridays all over SL? ...... fun to imagine... hehe!

Rumor has it that men come into SL without a penis. If so, their first mission in SL is surely a Penis Quest which leads noobs to adult content places. Men should come equipped with all their natural parts.

If making customers furious earned LL money, then I would have sold all my worldly goods by now and given them to LL. The outrage that I feel towards LL has become a constant in my life, ever since owning SL virtual land. I would rather be enraged against the dishonest and immoral though, and it hardly seems fair to vent my rage just against the gross incompetent.

If LL excutives really did get a second life, and I mean really DID get one, I guarantee that their approach to all matters would change to something more competent looking. Ivory towers grow only death and decay.

I do "why dont u live out your sexual fantasy in real life? " I am RL D/s have been for a long time

As for you wanting to use SL to be with your kids have you thought of using a web cam ?

Awww, that's so CUTE!!!

Seriously though, the suits never listen to the techs. They never will, either, unless the tech is a major stockholder as well. You would quickly be branded as "not a team player" and shown the door so they can find a less noisy cog for their machine. LL is no longer a startup - they are now corporate and filling up with corporate stagnation and managerial hubris.

I currently own a full prim mature private estate that is primarily residential and wish to add a homestead sim to it to hold my store which contains adult material.

Can an adult flagged sim be attached to a mature sim ... with a common boundary so that an av can just walk or fly across? If so, what happens at the sim boundary to non-verified avs?

At what level is the Adult flag attached? Would the estate name have to be different for the two sims?

Changing names and sim locations cost real money ... we need this information quickly and from the opensim mess, know we can't rely on asking a Linden through the Concierge service, but need a clear written policy.

I did a search for this in the forum but didn't come up with anything to useful.

Closer to 5000.. The 2700 is just for this one thread..

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Yes, now consider the thousands of people who are quietly reflecting on LL's management style and thinking, hmm, not sure I want to be so heavily invested. Gods, I feel sorry for the folks who own 800 sims. That's a lot of money at the mercy of LL's whims.

From what we have seen so far, it is an Estate level flag. So I imagine you would have to designate a seperate Estate name for the adult low-prim sim, and may even have to keep it physically disconnected from the mature sim when you set it up, with a teleporter landmark bridging the two.

You would be surprised at the number of young people (I have talked with many about this who are NOT underage) who would LOVE to have a 3d interface for browsing the web. I would go into more detail about an idea my other half has for something but I wouldn't want anyone to pick up on it and we end up seeing someone else make lots of $$$ off his idea which incidentally would not be any more expensive than what is already available and in fact would be priced much more reasonably.

It is unfortunate that more and more businesses are targeting the younger generations who are growing up with technology we never had. But that is now a fact of life and we need to learn to cope. I don't really need a portable mp3 player but I have one even if I haven't hardly used it. There are many things such as iPods that the younger generations buy more often than those of us who grew up without such things. So it is logical to target those demographics that are doing the most buying although I can't for the life of me figure out how they can afford such things.

One thing I should point out about having a Family Grid and an Adult Grid...many sim owners in the adult grid would also purchase sims on the Family Grid in order to make thier products available to adults on both grids. Of couse I mean those products which do not contain adult content. That would actually put more money in LL's pocket. Maybe the thought just never occured to them??

Being at the mercy of flighty residents is problem enough, as I soon discovered. But the LL whim factor is something that can't even be predicted, except that it will happen about every 6 months and destroy any and all business plans one has put into effect.

Yeah but it would be fun to throw rocks from inside the glass house for as long as we can. I'm not a tech... my other half is... I'm the one who owned and ran the business while he did the work. That is until Hurricane Katrina and Rita decided to put an end to it and we moved to the Pacific Northwest where he is from.

Not having a direct connection between the adult and mature would be a bad waste of resources ... the store is currently just under 1000 meters in orbit and will stay at that level ... I was wanting to landscape the ground level for boating and recreational use by the tenants on the mature sim. Unless busiess 'really' picks up, there's no problem with the 20 av limit that a homestead sim has.

NP with having two estate names ... with only two estates!

I know I read somewhere recently that 'adult' is a sim-level flag, though I can't seem to find the reference now. That would really make the most sense because the new adult continent is (I assume) on the mainland estate.

LL would be totally insane (order of magnitude more than they are now) to make this an estate flag.

Honestly, setting aside the question of segregation for a moment, I'm puzzled by the notion of anyone writing a definition for "adult content" since for just about anything you can name, someone will be born in RL to find that sexual - my favorite example of that is those who get an orgasmic buzz from watching fully clothed women squash bugs - like cockroaches, not software bugs - wearing stiletto heels. I don't share that attraction at all, but if LL goes down the route, somewhere there will be parents who do and want their youngsters protected from such sights.

Then there are the words with a variety of dual meanings like "breast" and "cock" (a kind of bird). It's the classic 'slippery slope' problem which even the US Supreme Court has been unable to crack (do the Lindens imagine they are smarter than the 9 Justices???). Pretty soon everything is labeled adult content to mollify little minority and progress ceases, and people stop bringing their $$s to turn into $LLs.

Aside from a VERY vocal minority of residents, what exactly is wrong with the current situation? Or the alternate of constraining the un-age-verified and those desiring a pure vanilla environment to a special continent, instead of the rest of us?

Color me "Puzzled in Peyron"

Blondin said region level here and Jack just said the same at his office hour, it's still problematic but they've avoided the mess of an estate level flag by the look of it.

In the "Maturity Ratings FAQ" that got shot down in flames, withdrawn from the web, and as yet never replaced with any better definition, the Lindens clearly stated that private sim owners would have to flag their Estate as Adult if there was any Adult content anywhere in their Estate.

Ciaran, I do hope you're right, and they have subsequently decided it will be a sim-level flag.

I agree ...estate managment of larger sim complexes would become more difficult ... esp if they ever get around to improving estate controls so we can actually do more things.

But more ... if they don't allow private mature sims to be connected directly with private adult sims, who is going to pay for the relocation of the newly flagged adult sims? Who would pay for the estate name changes if the flag IS at that level?

I haven't purchased my new sim yet .. although would like to in the next two weeks and don't trust ANY of this will be finalized by then ... but lots of private estate owners with multiple joined sims are going to have to flag one or more of them as adult but would take a huge hit financially if their only choice was to then flag all them as adult or start moving sims around. To say nothing of their tenants who migh live on the newly flagged adult sims, some whom might well have trouble with age verification. What happens then?

This was one of those times that we heard from a Linden that isn't clear on the difference between 'estate' and 'region'. So many other things to worry about - this one's a non-starter.

(edit: and Jack apparently confirmed it was a region flag at his office hour today)

You told me you were 25! (just kidding)

My friend just tried putting in her last 4 SSN numbers and she's 100% sure the information was correct and it failed.

The only problems she can see is if they need the full ZIP (in her case, it'd be along the lines of xxxxx-xxxx) or if she needs to spell out "Drive" instead of "Dr.".


Right now, she's thinking LL is a scam, trying to get your info, because she's absolutely sure she entered the correct information.


Bottom line: This WILL repel new members wanting to see this content.
Fix this obviously bugged system before implementing.

At a guess, what happens then is that some portion of their tenants go out of business (whichever way the flag is set) or in any event cease being tenants there. Estate owner likely has difficulty making tier on all their regions and either reduces their holdings (slippery slope, further disruption to tenants so process repeats) or pulls the plug entirely to cut their losses.

edited to add: The reasonable thing here (other than giving up teh whole idea or taking up one of our alternatives, of course) would be for LL to offer no-cost region relocation if you are being compelled to flag part of your estate adult, just as they are planning to offer land swaps to mainland folks.

Considering I have never seen your name before you have to be kidding. lol

That and the fact that I have never lied about my age in SL....


My RL DOB is 09/09/59 so yeah I turn 50 on 09/09/09... go ahead... make fun of me for that...

Hey, just because I like to slowly spread the two halves apart and run my long, rough tongue around the creamy goodness in between...