Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

The RL businesses successes I have seen in SL have usually been small scale and focused on the arts. An artist's virtual gallery that piques interest in people to see the real deal (Falln). Musicians who popularize their music by playing in the clubs (which in my experiences usually have some racey poseballs laying around upstairs). But I can't see Columbia or RCA or The Guggenheim getting much bang for their buck in SL. Britney Spears' Circus show would just take too many months to animate and I wouldn't make an effort watch it in world when I can see much higher quality video of the show on her website to begin with, without having to worry about the sync of the music and the animations, griefers crashing the sim, etc...

Landing in a parcel with an orgy involved by mistake will be prevented if said activites were flagged adult. Other times people TP into an adult area by mistake because of an error when an event is posted. example
http://eventful.com/events/willie-nelson-/E0-001-018579280-3/comments

Everyone who wanted to attend this so called concert with Willie Nelson found themselves in CARP.
Another option that seems to be a better alternative and others are also posting threads in favor of is to have all residents prove that that are 18 prior to logging in to SL on set date.
Then everyone is an adult in SL and adult content can remain where it is.

My two cents

The attraction is the capability to transcend geographic location. You can be in more than one place at once, not just passively watching, but interracting with other people.

That's why people are having sex here. It's more than a chat room.

If only LL provided some mechanism to prevent mature items from appearing in search results.

We're off topic again.

LL wants us to toe the party line. They will only accept comments on:

- How to define Adult content

- How to move people

- How to reliably age verify residents

- How to effectively filter Search for adult content

So, once again, my responses:

- You can't. We can't. Nobody can agree on this issue.

- There isn't a way that will be fair to everybody. My suggestion would be to forget the Ursula continent. Re-zone each of the existing Mainland continents as either PG or M (sigh. Add an AO category if you insist). Let people make a voluntary decision on a one time, meter for meter, tier free swap to the zone of their choice. After two or three months, send a team out to look for zoning violations and start deleting or returning content. It's still annoying and unfair, but at least it gives people a choice and it doesn't flood the land market with new sims.

- There is no 100% reliable way. But if you insist, you must do it yourselves. None of this Aristotle third party provider crap. And you'd better get yourselves a really BIG insurance policy for when your data gets hacked. Not even banks and the federal government can keep people's personal data from being stolen, what makes you think YOU can do it?

- Go talk to your partner, Yahoo. They seem to do fairly well.

They don't have to animate it. The video broadcast capability here is very good and will probably improve. They can set it up as pay per view in multiple locations. Not just live music and museum exhibits, but professional sports, the Olympics, whatever they want.

sl is crap from a business point of view.
imagine the scenario, a voice meeting of ibm staff and the asset server goes down or voice goes wrong or somebody crashes or 100 other things, giant penises? lol.
SL is far too buggy for any corporation to invest in.
thats why its free because its just not reliable enough.
can you imagine 30 avs in the same virtual space in sl and no problems for any of them?
nope neither can I.
there is far better software out there for companies.
the business excuse is BS.
and someone mentioned cable tv?
i have cable tv at home in RL, why would i want to watch it in SL?
each to their own i guess...

Imagine my surprise when an inworld Linden directed me to Live support only to be told to come here over the unanswered question of ARE THEY SWAPPING LAND? Also, the same pat answer of WE HAVE NO ANSWERS for you about whether they are helping.

I am SOOOO surprised they HAVE NO ANSWERS!

So again, do I spend 750 US$ to buy the land I'm renting (due at the end of the month) in CASE they do a landswap???

Why not allow non members to be classiefied as tourists only allowed to pg areas, (limited access)when becoming a paid member (age verified) give them full access to the adult content, full access to everything, this will limit them not us, I have been to other virtual worlds and thats how they do it..
Sex is what has made second life... where it is today, not coke a cola.......
just a thought

A simple solution to what is adult or not.
Linden labs said in the TOS that they are governed by the laws of the state of California.
If that is so then list adult cont as what ever the State rating system is that covers Video games, movies or porn. If the State of California calls it adult content or said that you must be 18 or older to view it,then it is required to be flagged as adult, Easy Solution.

Another thing what is a private residence? is this a place that people live that has one or two people being intimate or is it still a private residence because the parcel owner decided not to list their parcel in search and has some unoffical BDSM sex room that anyone can access because they are calling it a residence.

How to age verify. I did this when it was first offered and that was what about a year ago?
To this day I have not had my idenity stolen, I am not recieving a bunch of spam in my email or RL mail box because my information was farmed out. the current service works great.

All of this doom and gloom talk about SL becoming a ghost town because a tiny amount of businesses that are adult in nature must move. This would be true if the majority of SL is involved in adult content and simply TP'd over to the adult section. Even they are still in SL and still enjoying what ever it is that they went there for. So what is the problem? None, unless you are underage and cannot prove that you are an adult.

Second Life already has your RL information about who you are when you first signed up and made your account, unless you lied during that phase and this makes your account fraudlent. So no privacy problem there if you told the truth when you made your account.

It seems like it could be and also looks very nicely landscaped, rivers etc.

I agree its good they ask, how we think the move should be handled, but disagree with auctioning off the parcels.

My reason is think of Bay City, Nautilus, think of land prices there and how much is just being sat on by speculators, I know tier is very low on 1024sqm plots so they are able to sit on the plots for years while they wait for the next sucker to come along, but when these speculators know demand outstrips supply, they are going to rub their hands with glee and jump on the gravy train.

The result will be only very successfull adult business able to afford setting up on the new continent, vast areas of land on sale for highly inflated prices on the new continent, people who cannot afford to move looking to carry on operating on existing mainland despite the new rules.

I see a land auction of adult land being a very bad idea.

It would be far better to offer some sort of like for like swap wherever possible.

you can buy my sim cheaper than that Jill but to be honest i wouldnt buy any land right now.
people are leaving and thats a fact. we had 4 full sims at one time and 8 opensims.
there is no money in SL anymore.
time to look for other alternatives i think.
we are going to sell up and get out, we have been broken by SL.

LL wants to force all adult stuff into one tiny continent, without even a clue how to define what constitutes "Adult" or not, or even how to move the people they want to move in the first place! All while a much simpler and easier to implement solution is right in front of their face.

I will not toe the line.
I will not cooperate and say what is or isn't adult on my land.
I will not be a party to this obscene abandonment of what SL truly is about and who it is for.
I will not set a bit for my land, my prims, my content, advertisements, anything.
I will not voluntarily move.
I will not involuntarily move.

If they want a squeaky clean new direction, then they need to create a squeaky clean new continent to create it on. Because I will not have any part of this current direction they are on.

Because you can watch the show with other people here, talk to them, go out after the show, etc.

It's also a chance to get past the control of network tv and cable companies and get access to entertainment they won't support, shows they refuse to run. (Like some decent frakkin sci-fi without commercials, please.)

as i said, each to their own.
if i go out i dont sit around peoples houses watching tv.
and going into SL gives me the chance to interact with people.
but if SL is some glorified tv station for you then carry on.

By agreeing to the TOS, you have certified that you are 18+

Age verification does not work for everyone as has been pointed out before

Tiny amount of businesses?

Underage? Can't prove age? ... refer to point 2 and point 1

Second Life does not have my RL info as they're verification does not work and many do not wish to give RL info to a third party ' verifier '. Again refer to points 1 & 2

Where should this all lead?

I've chatted about this in world over the years, and this seems to be a good time to raise it in a forum. What should LL be looking for down the road in the long term.

What's their biggest revenue drain at the moment? Hardware, purchasing, maintaining, powering it all. That's my thought.

What's their biggest issue in their eyes? Well given their behavior over the past couple of years, it's pretty obvious they hate being viewed as 'adult oriented'.

So what's a long term strategy to combat both these issues?

Move the region servers out from under their purview. Give the users the ability to maintain their own regions. LL would keep the Asset Servers of course. And manage the financial transactions. Both for a nominal fee. You want to connect your server to the Linden Grid, cool. 29.95 a month. You want to do transactions, cool, go with the StreetX model. LL hits you for a percentage of each transaction.

What's the hitch? Intellectual Property, but if LL is keeping an eye on OpenSim, and they had better be, it looks like they might be able to find an open source answer to that in the not too distant future.

What's the benefit. Well from what I can see #1 an off-site server can not be blamed on LL if it offends someone. LL could still maintain their Linden Land, as vanilla as they want, even rent out space with strict no expose naughty bits policies. When someone TP's to it you get a nice big popup telling you to be a fluffy snuggly shiney person or they will find you and kill you. You TP away from LL you get another popup warning you that you are leaving Linden controlled land and LL accepts no responsibility for any offense you may suffer by seeing giant penises dancing to donna summer songs, Do you wish to continue <Y> <N>. Who complains about Verizon not warning them away from nastysexstuff.com? (yeah I know it happens, but not as big of a percentage who want to force LL to be netnanny)

Benefit #2, utility bills drop through the floor, as well as the cost when it comes time for a forklift upgrade.

Benefit #3, are you kidding, do you know the absolute coolgeek factor that would kick in to be running your own SL server, connected to the "REAL" grid. The fanboys would be all over themselves. I can just see the episode on Big Bang Theory now as they fight a storm of Orcs who have invaded their server and taken up residence.

Patasha

As much as I would LOVE to be able to do that (and yes, the geek in my would jump at the chance), not all of us have OC3 to our houses. Very few have OC3 to houses. In fact, I'll bet the number of people with commercial fiberoptics to their homes could be shown on one hand.

A beautiful dream however. Hope we can make it happen one day.

This comment must be based on a misunderstanding Blue?

You don't force people to pack up and then make them compete for land in cut-throath auctions like we saw in Bay City and Nautilus. That would be adding insult to injury.

Blondin has confirmed here in the forums there will be a land swap, no cash exchanged.

Increased tier should not be the result of holding double land for the period the move takes place (goes without saying.)



Just because there are servers sitting in a rack with some builds and terrain models does not mean the deal is done. The servers can be swapped to other duty, investment in the landscaping and builds are minute compared to the work ahead of everyone who have to move. Besides the landscape can be used in future projects, or in the PG continent

If anyone happens to have a notecarded copy of the original knowledge base article 6010 could you please send it to me or let me know where i can go to get a copy.

Thanks ahead of time.

Would have done it myself but it was gone the day after i read it.

and SL will have a lot of empty servers too, so no problems there

There was a town in California once with a Navy Base. Some of the more vocal and conservative merchants in the town started complaining about the rowdy behavior of the sailors, and their bad language, and making noises about how the Navy Base didn't really directly benefit THEIR business or friends, so the city would be better off without all those nasty Sailors.

So the paymaster at the Navy base revived an old custom... And paid EVERYONE on that base, next payday, in cash and entirely in $2 bills. Sailors were encouraged to pay for everything in cash over the next month, wherever possible. (Yes, America has had a $2 paper currency denomination. It just never was very popular, like the $1 coins nearly the same size as quarters).

Within two weeks, merchants and busineses of every sort realized that their cash registers had a LOT of $2 bills in them. In fact, just about everyone in town found they were getting $2 bills in their own cash flow, as those merchants in turn used the money to pay for their own supplies, and to pay their own employees.

Didn't take long for the vocal, complaining merchants to make a formal apology to the navy base...

Oh how I wish we could do that in SL... Make it plainly visible where L$ initially expended on adult goods and activities flowed into the rest of the SL economy.

Jill, Blondin Linden has said that you will not have to buy land on the open market. They are going to offer some kind of a swap. They haven't given any details yet, though.

LL could do this any time they wanted. I've heard it said that every $L can be traced. It's how they track down $L obtained with stolen credit cards. I agree, it WOULD be interesting, and I bet very surprising to LL and people like Nany.