Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

I'm still waiting for the list of what words will be adult, and what words won't.

Gorean? Sex? what about Lingerie?

I mean all of this discussion is meaningless until LL draws the line in the sand. Then the real debate will begin, over where that line should be placed.

Dare I even suggest this.... Representational Government! If LL really wants to drag out the "we are discussing this with representatives".. how about giving us a say in who represents us.

I know I know the election process would open a whole new can of worms.. who gets a vote, how to we insure that alt's aren't stuffing the ballot box.. etc.. but shoot, if we are going to be forced to age verify anyway (I already have, not sure what it got me), why not give us a reason to want to verify. Verified accounts get to vote for representatives to the SL House of Parliment! Wow, actually having a say in our future. I mean we all know LL would listen nod politely and the flip the bird to reps behind their back.. but at least then they would have to say.. "We have listened to what our residents have requested and... F* You!!!"

Yeah, it won't happen.

Patasha

Quite honestly one would wonder why she is not leading the charge for a clean, safe G-Rated continent that she and her child can share clean, safe experiences in down the road. That would make the most sense, but then the post about furries, and same sex, and whatever else she threw in there, made entirely no sense at all.

I think LL must already have new business customers and new business planned, maybe already big contracts signed. It will be exciting to see what happens. I am guessing there may be entertainment like cable tv, but interractive - movies, music and sports events you can go to with other people instead of watching at home by yourself and have private conversation with friends during the show if you want.

I hope there will be more virtual tourism, too. I would like to spend time learning to speak other languages with people from other parts of the world here, and learn about their countries.

I hope there will be many new jobs. If even a few thousand people can make a living from new jobs in SL businesses, that will be great.

OMG, of course, that is the solution... just a tag that folks could put on themselves and they would be kept from entering any Adult site. The choice would be theirs to put the tag on - their choice - isn't that in keeping the American spirit and all that?

You had better listen to that Linden Lab management! This will save you lots of grief, and maybe even your bonuses.

Darien, just to get you ready to start debating. Look down at the ground.. now think about the line.. okay.. now back up.. a little more.. a little more... tell me when your back is against the wall.. okay good.. now look down.. that's where the line will be.

Patasha

Is anyone else baffled by their use of AO? Are they realy that out of touch with us users?
Though I do see an easy fix to this whole mess. =P

/AO off

That debate will just be more hot air, Darien. Where you place that line is completely subjective, and you will never get everyone to agree. Probably not even a majority.

LL will do whatever it wants. Asking us for "input" is just so they can check off the box that says, "we had a dialog'.

There are some assumptions LL seems to be making

1. There is more money to be made from big business on the mainland than currently coming in.
2. These businesses do not want to be on mainland due to adult content.
3. The vast majority of content is non-adult so moving the adult areas would cause less problems.


What we have problems with.
1. What IS adult content? Details not just generalizations.
2. The age verification system is untrustworthy.
3. Vendors of adult products expect to see massive drops in sales
4. Adult & mixed content sim owners will endure higher land costs


Anything I miss?

S

A far better idea than tagging sites as PG, Mature, or Adult would be to tag PEOPLE instead. In a self administered system. Might I suggest a range of categories :-

A) I am offended by absolutely everything, and regularly complain to LL.
B) I find nudity OK but don't like sex depictions.
C) I can cope with a little mild BDSM...but not the hard stuff.
D) Anything goes. Gimme gimme. Hold on while I rez my genitals and vore gear !

Every sim on SL could then BAN category A people.........problem solved !

Well, as a parent and a grandparent - no thanks, this is MY playground.

Ironically, my offspring are not terribly interested in SL, although they're old enough to be here and have taken a look at what it's all about. Even if they were here, I wouldn't be interacting with them - this is MY downtime.

They know I love building and creating and exploring, and they know just as well that I enjoy getting raunchy and edgy and experimental, and guess what? They're not at all shocked or surprised at anything I choose to do in this fantasy world (read those last two words again, would you?)

Yes, we talk about it, and no, I'm not a terribly vanilla type of person. Nor would I be shocked or surprised at anything they chose to do, because we share an open, broad-minded and tolerant attitude to life with none of the prissy holier-than-thou determination some people have to wipe out anything they don't like.

Now, as someone who also works in a tertiary institution with an interest in coming into SL, and at the risk of repeating myself to anyone who's read the whole thread, it's a mistake to think there's a whole heap of concern about the so-called 'adult' content here. Our students are over 18 and therefore adults, and are entitled to get up to whatever they want to on their own time. On university time, they'd hardly be wandering the grid, so the issue doesn't arise.

What's likely to hold us back - possibly indefinitely - has nothing to do with SL's image per se, and everything to do with performance, reliability, seemingly questionable business management and poor customer relation skills. If LL were to plough their money and resources into fixing those things, they would not only attract the clientele they're chasing, they'd also make a great many existing residents very happy.

Nany, I would just point you to the not too distant past. When IBM (who is a major corporation with whom LL already has agreements with.. even with the unsavory nature of SL) even glanced sideways at SL, the story was everywhere even with both LL and IBM trying to keep a lid on it. So believe me, if some new BIG CONTRACT was signed, it would be all over the place.

The more likely scenerio was posted earlier as bit of sarcasm, but rings a lot more true. SL has been suffering major land shrinkage, LL is awash in unused servers just rotting in the racks. What to do? How do you get people to use it.. easy, you force them to. And while you are forcing relocation on the unsavory segments of the population you send out press releases to anyone with a typewriter crowing about how you are cleaning up your act.

Patasha

Are you planning to supervise them?

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That shows up on the first page of results in Search/All with Include Mature content unchecked when you enter the search word "furniture". This is the kind of thing people are talking about when they say Adult content is inappropriately displayed in SL.

I find pretty much ALL gestures with audio offensive, especially those with foul language. Trouble is, while your shop might get moved to Pornodelphia, I will still have to put up with the yahoos who buy your offensive products and use them in my presence.

Any chance you could, like, set up a Gesture Zone near your shop and let your customers emit their audio spam there?

Yes! About like a public mall with movies, shopping, video games, but a lot bigger, more varied, and much more international.

Sometimes there are perverts in the bathrooms at public malls, but in general it is pretty safe to let your older kids run around, especially if you are able to stay in contact, in SL it would be via IM.

Things change pretty quickly in high tech. The business landscape is changing too because of the costs of travel.

Simple fix.. enforce the current ratings system. Be a lot less messy in the long run for LL to just pay someone.. say.. hmm.. YOU.. a couple of lindens per 'bounty' to do random searches looking for things that offend you.

straight to the point!

Yes, and could you please explain how that is pertinent to whether or not BIG CONTRACTS have already been signed?

The point was not changing business models, the point was, that if LL had a contract, history has proven they can not keep it under wraps.

I got my fingers crossed for a paradigm shift that will improve the quality of entertainment here as well as generate jobs.

This has been my observation too. I recently met a new person to SL who had come on in the interest of his company (my company has a large site here, but that is a different conversation). He was curious of how his company could do business in SL. My remark to him was that if he wanted to do business here, his best bet was to make something that was useful to the residents of SL. Of all of the successful companies in SL that I enter, these seem to be the most numerous and most successful.

BT

I don't think they did keep in under wraps. We'll see.

So since SL is supposed to be for 18 year old, legally adults as in able to vote and die for their country, are we saying that these "adults" are not able to make choices for them selves? If you might get offended by something you see here, isn't there an option is Search to not show any results on a Mature sim? I have already been into PG sims that are pretty well regulated. If your looking for a horse to ride around on your sim, perhaps its best to just use some common sense and not go look for it in Bucky's Naked Bronco saloon?

I live on a Adult sim, your warned upon entering of this in the rules. To me if someone comes here still, they are doing so of their own free well. Its the same thing with reading a profile. In my opinion, if SL really does what they say they are going to do, they are going to shoot themselves in the foot. They will loose a LARGE number of people who pay LARGE amounts of money to play here and not be persecuted for living and adult lifestyle on a supposedly adult platform.

Public malls, giant chat rooms - the list goes on. Puhleeze, we already have those for real. The joy of Second Life is in its difference, its sense of the fantastic and the surreal, its scope for exploring ourselves in ways we can't necessarily in everyday life.

If it's going to appeal to the lowest common denominator, become a giant replica of the mundane, or offer only things we can do outside a virtual reality, then where's the attraction? My life is already more interesting than that.