Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Gloren - Most of the Sims you named it seems will not be relocated because they are on Private Estates. That's the good news. The bad news is this. Many will be forced to turn on Age Verification Required on their estates. I see Gor being particularly hard hit, in my experience (matron of porn I am and all).. a large majority of people rp'ing Kajira's are on free/unverified accounts. So the boys of Gor will suddenly find themselves with a serious lack of barbies to play with when the girls are blocked and decide rather than verify to get their sexy on, they will just return to time tested methods.. "a good book". That said, it could make Gor very interesting indeed. Suddenly a Kajira has real value, with so few of them around the boys will be beating eachother to death (yeah even more than now) as they try to make their claims. Shoot it might be fun to pop in and watch. It might even be worth it for me to put stalls in Gor markets again as any 'master' wanting to keep his Kajira will definately need to be well appointed. hmmmmmm. *Considers the post-apornolypse*.

Patasha

Why try and "fix" something when it is isn't broken?

The fact is, whatever changes are put in, WILL definitely affect a lot of people in SL who have invested a lot of time and money. This will inevitably result in many people leaving, feeling they have been "done in again" by Linden Lab... surely LL is still stinging from the recent Open Space fiasco as the land mass of SL continues to shrink even 4 months later; not to mention the sting felt by thousands of estate sim owners and tens of thousands of SL land owners and renters... grrrrr...

Upon what basis do these changes need to introduced? Is it based on the protest and complaints of a few hundred people? Why listen to them and yet LL ignores the thousands of protests and complaints from the Open Space fiasco?

Just the raising of this issue begs the question even more of the compentency level of LL management. Get a second life LL, and stop trying to fix something that ain't broke.

You didn't read the rest of the TOS. It basically says that you agree that LL can change their service at any time, in any way they want. They don't even commit to the service always being available (good thing, too, given outages and all). It's a "yellow dog" contract of the most blatant sort, completely one sided.

There are cases on record where such contracts have been successfully challenged in court. That is not saying that you would win this particular battle, only that it has been done.

Yes, you could sue. Anyone can sue anyone at any time for any reason. Can you afford it? It will cost you, minimum, several tens of thousands of dollars, and complete disclosure of your RL and avatar identities.

Problem is Patacha, those free accounts spend a hell of a lot of money!!!! They buy houses, they rent land, they buy cloths. Those Kajira buy a lot of silks, coloars, etc. This does not just effect rping, it effect the businesses that sell to them, the sim owners that rent out plots, rent sims for rping, the pg Business owners that sell clothing and houses and furniture etc. and finally the rest of the users who will see many businesses close, others decide to drop prodcuts, others decide to raise prices, etc.

It was hillarious! I thought I had a pic on flickr of it but it looks like sl goofed the snap.

Yes, I doubt LL anticipated the size of this issue or how far it will affect more than they wanted to target.

i absolutely agree, instead to *fix* something dosnt broken LL should FIX the real problems like the new viewer, the hundrets of MONO bugs, the *usual* grid issues and so on, i guess this list could be endless.
I stil wonder WYH LL continue pushing their residents they still have away with such stupid decissions. At last the residents are the ones who pay their salaris.

SO DEAR LINDENS !!! LISTEN TO YOUR RESIDENTS !!!
and not on the hundert who like your decission, listen to the THOUSANDS who desagree with you.

indeed put your kid into teenlife on the pc upstairs and then the mommy or daddy (or your both genders...lol....whatever) are 'shagging' furries on the maingrid on the pc downstairs (while having there pants hanging on there heels in RL)....guess some people still dont understand the point!

this is the more than average perception from the out-world about SL, and LL is going to change this perception, if they want to attract more end-users, then u all know the consequences sooner or later. Dont say u havent been warned .......

we all contribute, thats why we all have the right to express our opinions!

GIVE A STANDING OVATION!!!! BRAVO!!! THATS EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE!!!!

Indeed, we are expressing our opinions. Whether LL listens to the majority or the minority remains to be seen.

Any Linden please reply

about the Age Verification...if im right there is a plan to let it go trough creditcard or paypall..i dont have one of them and can not make a paypall account,will this mean i can not go too my own adult place? would be a bit weird if u ask me.

(sorry for my bad english, i am dutch)

I believe it's optimistic to think LL will listen to anyone.

I agree, may the best win!

Yep-yep, I noted that in a previous post somewhere that just because someone reads "free" doesn't mean they aren't shelling out the duckets. I have shown LL that 40% of my business comes from "free" accounts, and those accounts aren't newbies who just joined and hit a few lucky chairs on their way to my store. My animations are on the expensive side and when a 'free' account snaps up $L6000 worth of them it's fairly obvious to me that I WANT free accounts to have the ability to see my stuff. But alas Blondin has already slapped me down on that one, stating in no uncertain terms that if someone doesn't verify they don't get to see Painful Memories.. .... so I'm preparing for the worst, which com'on, lets keep this all in perspective. I mean I make a few thousand dollars a year off SL. If I really needed to make that money I could work a couple of shifts a week at starbucks part time. So I'm moving on to the acceptance of my fate phase of all this and getting all philosophical.

If a Linden Labs server crashes on the grid and there is no one around to get logged out, does it make a sound?

Patasha

You mean, those people who aren't in Second Life, don't care about SL, don't wanna enter SL whether there are penises or not, have no computer capable of SL, and businesses that have no use for SL at all? Are they the people we are talking about?

Who gives a fig what people who aren't going to join and aren't going to spend money think?

of course they will listen t anyone:

"This week and next we'll be meeting with small groups of stakeholders including educators, solution providers, land owners and adult content merchants to get their feedback about how our adult content plan affects them."

wich mean there will be handsorted residents whose absolutely agree with LL and let the resdents out which disagree.
At last so LL can say: "you residents decided"

I remember reading a Russian? saying once, it went something along the lines of ... " A pessimist is an optimist who has all the facts " ... ( not implying anything to anyone )

As a sim owner of 3 roleplay sims, which do have some mature content, I've got real concerns about this.

I see a couple of main issues here:

1) Age verification as it stands is broken. What happens to the landowners in my sims who are from Europe and don't have age verified accounts?

2) The vasty majority of my players do not have age verified accounts. We've been making a huge effort and investment of both time and money to reach out to european players, virtually none of whom have age verified. What happens to my traffic when I lose those players?

What we're talking about here is a potentially severe economic impact on a thriving business. 95% of my players are not age verified. 95% of my STAFF is not age verified. 95% of the landholders who pay the monthly tier on my sims are not age verified.

We really need more clarification on how this will impact private island owners, because I see my options as:

a) I can accept the loss of most of my traffic and players who aren't age verified and won't be

b) I can resurface my sims, lose thousands of dollars and thousands of hours of work, to turn them into PG sims. In that case, I'll probably still lose most of my traffic and players.

I'm concerned that the impact on private island owners is being lost in the general argument here, and not being addressed. A number of sim owners I know are organizing a group to specifically raise our concerns with Linden Labs, and if you are a sim owner I'd like to invite you to work with us on this. You can contact me in world for the group invite.

Why does this sound familiar?

Got a question about the hazy lines being set.
I sell gestures, some with profane language, all original recordings for SL. The shop is clean, nothing visually offensive. Is an audio gesture considered "adult content"? If so where does that line lie.

If my gestures need to be divided into different sims then I would just be done. If that is the result would it be acceptable to divide my shop into separate parcels one with age verification? If they aren't in the parcel then they wouldn't be able to hear it so all would be Kosher then right?

is there anyone who can host some kind of data collection?

perhaps it's time we started to calculate just how much land is going. Just posting it here will make it hard to tot up. It doesn't matter if you rent or own (unless of course you own and rent out) in this case as room will have to be found for everyone.

I'll have to move a minimum of 1/2 sim. I have 3/4 of a sim but am still deciding if i should shave some off to keep a pg/mature presence.

Linden Lab has already made up its mind what it is going to do. These discussions are only a fascade to give the impression that it listens to the SL residents. Second Life is not a democracy. According to the TOS, LL can do whatever is likes, and so it does. Just watch what will happen... the plan is already there, it is just the timing of its implimentation is something that has to be ironed out.

Given the state of the economy as it is, and with some estate sim owners so desperate to cover at least some of their costs by leasing off land at below tier cost while claiming that they are still making a profit...lol... this new plan by LL just might be the last straw.

And you thought estate sims were selling low now? Just wait when this silly Adult-PG-Xrated fiasco is put into place, not to mention an exodus from the Mainland that has never been witnessed before.

LL executives this year will not be around to collect those bonuses with the deluge that is a comin'.

Ryanna, you aren't seriously suggesting that Wildcat is a sock-puppet who was brought in to rehash the same material that has been ran into the ground previously, are you?

How dare we all think such a thing.

Patasha

that's it I'm making my own sl and will make smarter decisions than LL

Quote: Originally Posted by JustAnother Lomu
I dont want to see unnatural sex stuff everywhere if I'm playing sl.

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LOL ! This sort of response if just soooo PATHETIC...........as is the Lindens taking these professional whiners and offendees seriously.

Nobody forces poor Mr Lomu to see anything.............and one seriously has to wonder how his search for 'Bible Class' ends him up viewing sex acts !

Here we have, yet again, the MYTH of poor sensitive people 'accidentally' coming across hardcore BDSM.

Well.....Mr Lomu....if you TP to a site that says 'sex' in the description ( don't you look at site descriptions before entering ? )....what the **** do you expect to see ?? Girl Guides waving daisy chains ???

I am sick of these professional offendees.....THEY are the most 'offensive' thing on SL.....people too incompetent or deliberately offended to just TP out of a site if they don't like it.

Instead the rest of us have to bend over backwards to accomodate these people.....rather than the Lindens just creating a self-administered 'Easily Offended' tag that would prevent such people ever entering any sex site.

D'oh....but that's too simple a solution !!!

Making your own SL will be difficult, but making smarter decisions that LL is a piece of cake.