Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

FIC! Did you hand your panties to Blondin at yesterday's office hour

All my prayers that you are able to get through to them that the wild west continent is as it is, and that this planned effort to clean it all up is hopelessly doomed to failure, regardless of why they are pursuing it.

My suggestion is for a Family GRID, not continent. A seperate grid like the teen grid is seperate from the adult grid thereby eliminating any need for age verification for the Family Grid.

Since King Phillip and M have called for unification of the two grids we have now, that would seem to be a non starter. There IS a way to accomplish all their goals without creating Pornsylvania. But they have to decide whether carrying out their stated bad method is their objective, or achieving their goals is their objective? Right now, they have a "damn the torpedoes - full speed ahead" attitude. And there are better ways to get where they want to go than to go through the torpedoes.

I see your point and it makes sense. I was thinking more along the lines that the sponsored adults would still be able to access the main grid. That would give them access to content that will be difficult to develop or make for a separate grid. In essence, I suppose I'm saying that technically, parents could buy their kids appropriate stuff as well as have access to content such as furniture, scripts, cars.. Just things a family might have fun with. These things might be difficult to find or create on the fly if it is a separate grid.

But still, at some point they will have to put a list into their search engine thingy, which says "anything with X in it will be considered adult". Unless they are going to sit there and manually review every classified, group, and land description by hand. I want to see this list. We should all get to see it.

I would just like to say that i think i was picked for some of my views and posts. I like to believe i brought up some good points that LL might see fit to clairfie.
While i have read every page of every topic concerning this I think i have a fair understand of most of the posters views, good, bad and indiffeant.
I will do my best to listen to LL as well as be heard. in the end thats all any of us can ask.

hope u dont crash to much too miss the half!

I was invited to one of those type meetings about premium subscription improvements back during the cape waving over the bunny hat period after the open space debacle.

How are those premium subscription improvements? Great huh?

I will turn my graphic settings all the way down to crapola and closes all programs on my PC cept for SL .
Just so i dont crash

Dont know dont have one
lol

Predictable? =P

Ah.. I see... However thier unification theory isn't going to work unless of course they want to deal with vastly more griefing reports etc. They'll also need to increase the ban limits under estate from 500 to somewhere in the thousands because I will ban each and every teenager I catch in any of my sims. I'm almost 50 years old and have no desire to babysit someone else's kids much less want to have to prove my age to anyone.

Ergo I revise my suggestion to this: Turn the Teen Grid into Family Grid and leave the Adult Grid alone. LL has been runnign 2 seperate grids for more than the 5 years I've been in SL. I see no reason to change that now. Teen Grid becomes Family Grid.. problem solved. Or is that too simple for LL?

OK, I will give you a straight answer, as the parent of a 13 year old girl.

As the current plan is proposed, I will NOT allow my daughter to have an account on SL, either on the teen grid, OR on any possible "Cleaned up and sanitized" main grid should LL in the future allow teens onto the main grid.

She would love to get into SL... She's seen the fantastic things I have built, and the clothes I have designed. She even considered selling authorized copies of my dresses and other clothes on the TG, since 95% of what I ever designed would easily pass the content restrictions there.

I will not let her onto the Teen Grid because I think it is FAR too likely, despite their repeated denials of having any plans to do so, that some day soon LL will announce that all TG accounts will now have access to the Main Grid, as "Verified UNDER 18" residents. Without my permission for her to enter the Main Grid.

I would not allow her on the main grid because Linden Lab refuses to address the REAL issues relating to adult content - the complete and total lack of privacy, and the complete inability to shield any part of your land from people camming in. I would no more allow her on the grid as it stands now than I would allow her to play in the streets in Amsterdam's red light district, if all the brothels there had glass walls and no doors and no barrier to entry.

The proposed forced relocation of "Adult Businesses and merchants" to some XXX pornotopia might keep a "kid on the grid" from seeing or patronizing adult businesses and merchants there. But it does NOTHING about the content that has already been purchased and installed and is being used in all the Mature sims. (And even, quietly, in a lot of PG sims, I am certain.) So there is no way to ensure that she doesn't accept a visit to some friend's home, and walk into an orgy in progress, or a rape room, or who knows what sort of kinks. Or that in camming around to get a better look at her surroundings, she might see inside some private and enclosed area, and observe things she shouldn't be exposed to. or that someone would sell her and her friends XXX content second-hand.

If walls and doors in SL meant what they should, and could actually block sight and prevent unauthorized access, I wouldn't worry. There is a liquour store about 3 blocks from my house, in a mini-mall on a major street. No one worries about the kids who walk in front of that store every day on their way to and from school. There's a door between them and the merchandise, and they can't touch anythig inside without entering the premisis. And it's easy for the clerk to see they are under age or have no ID proving them to be an adult, so he can kick out any kid bold enough to try to come in and buy booze.

But in SL, a kid can wear an adult-looking avatar, and except for relocating to the XXX Continent, has no way to prevent an unidentified and unverified avatar from standing *outside* their land limits and buying whatever they choose. But the same goes for any private residence. There is no way for an adult to know that the sweet young lady that they just met isn't in reality a 10 year old, who is precocious and good with words. We can't check ID ourselves.

So the only alternative would be to ban all Adult activity unless on the designated continents. But... isn't that what the Teen grid is? A grid where it's illegal even to have an anatomically correct skin? And isn't the main grid supposed to be an environment for ADULTS, 18 and over?

I don't choose to teach hate and intolerance to my child, in the name of "Family Values". We have friends who are gay. We have friends of many religious faiths, and others who are athiests. We have friends of several races and nationalities. Yet there are people on my block who I would not dream of allowing my daughter to associate with. Do I seek to run those people out of "my" neighborhood, just because I disappove of illegal immigrants or of individuals who act as if they have never been taught the most basic concepts of living in a civilized society? No. I teach my child to understand and tolerate differences. But I also don't let her play in an unsafe area.

IF Linden Lab actually implemented real privacy controls... If a locked door on a bedroom and drawn curtains were all it took to keep the neighbor's kids from observing what my spouse and I are doing in our own bedroom, then I MIGHT allow my daughter into SL before she turns 18. But I think that is about as likely as me getting a free, all-expense-paid round trip to Mars.

I go to plenty of places in real life that my daughter can not go. Bars, nightclubs, and yes, on occasion an adult business. The fact that I can go there and she can not is a fact of life, not a reason to force those businesses out of town.

If they were to turn the Teen Grid into Family Grid as I suggested above after someone informed me of the intent to combine Teen with Adult that I was not aware of...adults would still have access to both grids. Only the kids would not have access to the Adult Grid. As much as I hate the idea of having to prove I'm damn near 50 after being in SL for 5 years... only the Adult Grid would require age verification for access.

LL could do with more wolves in it.

You can, it's called the TEEN GRID. Now leave the ADULTS the hell alone.

For PRIVATE SIM (as was the question) that has not been said yet.

Kinda what I've been trying to get them to do, only with a unified grid and a G Rated Continent. So all the clothes and furniture are available to everyone, which is a fine idea. But there would need to be bits set on the stuff that's unsuitable for sale to minors to make that idea fly. If they make a G continent, I'll be happy to do my part and mark stuff I sell because I know that that approach will work in every aspect. But if they force people out of their current spots in mainland, then I will not cooperate and I will not participate in the useless charade. If they aren't going to do this right, then I'm not wasting my time with it.

awww Thank you!

Too bad they refuse to hire certain people (or wolves) just because they don't happen to have a college degree.

Would you really want to work for such an incompetent outfit to begin with?

There is and continues to be a hue and cry about the availability of pornography available through the internet. The most natural appraoch appeared to be the extablishment of the .XXX suffix. Thus, as one looks to .edu for education, one would look to .XXX for adult content. The issues were the amazingly similar -- how would a search for breast cancer wind its way through .edu or .org and not get swallowed by the .xxx word filtration processes. Various companies also rasied a large cry as what one person considers as pornagraphic material another considers as a marital aid. There were vast issues with age verification as many sites on teen pregnacy are so effective becasue they have no way of identifying the teens seeking valid assitance - just asking for an identifying verification would drive those with the most need away.

After a significant amount of time and effort, the ICANN determined it was not able to develop such a suffix. Perhaps the folks at LL should contact the ICANN to get a better sense of just what 'the best intentions' will take and the net impact on its users.

Nothing that LL is doing in this process will have ANY effect whatsoever on that problem.

Linden Labs actually enforcing their EXISTING Terms of Service would. You could actually help them by letting them know about these kinds of errors.

Not all clothing and furniture created could be sold on a G continent. Admittedly my own furniture could be, but what people have not stopped to realize is if they want something I have created but let the fact that the beds are not sex beds stop them from purchasing... all they have to do is create one prim and add the sex bed scripts and poses to that one prim, slap an alpha texture on it, position it on the bed and viola! I would even be happy to do that for them and give them the prim free with mod/copy/no trans perms. If I weren't so busy trying to update builds and create new ones along with hosting and dealing with tenants, I would have already made the beds with the scripts and poses (as well as the non sex versions) and placed them in vendors for sale. The sex beds will never be placed on display in my store and will only be available through a vendor. But that is just my preference.

Still I have to disagree with a unified grid. I don't say this to offend anyone... I really do not want kids on the adult grid. I've raised 2 families in my time and loved every sad and happy moment of it. However, I really don't care to take on the responsiblity of having to watch what I say or do just because there might be someone of an age that doesn't need to hear or see such in the sim. If I can't relax and be myself in SL, then there isn't much point to my being here other than to build houses and furniture and ~avoid contact~ with others that I do not know or have to check every profile that comes in for age verification confirmation. That's no way to run a business and no one that has a business in SL really has the time to check all profiles for age verfication. Or whatever way LL comes up with for residents to be able to tell if they are dealing with an adult or someone underage.

Almost 2.7 THOUSAND posts of your paying customers, almost all saying "No, do this another way!" They even propose other solutions that don't require hiring a thousand LindenCops (tm). Wow, not even the Voidsim mess made people this angry!

And all you have to do to make nearly everyone happy, is simply build the new G rated continent for the newbs, the businesses, and the teens. Everyone wins. Nobody loses. Fun continues and SL grows more and more, both the new G continent and the old Wild West continent. No down sides that I can see.

But then again, it is possible that you make income from every post on the forums somehow, and making your customers this furious earns you money. I don't see how that works, but it would certainly explain some of the LL behavior lately...