Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread
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Selene Gregoire
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03-26-2009 14:42
From: Kittyn Fuhr *giggles* not to mention all the wanna-be Masters in both Gor and BDSM, who think that wearing the title makes them the most knowledgeable...that collect a chain of 15+, then think that they are a great one, because they own that many. Some of these also believe in the GorCraft venues...The "Boys of Gor" will find themselves without a playground, and will go back to the pg/welcome areas, and start hitting on newbies there, and now that they can't get to the adult area, because they are blocked...they will bring that newbie to the nice beautiful park, and have it on there. Or stores with the equipment out on display, because now, there are no "free sex" areas available for those who come to explore, before committing. Many are moving over to what is called The Gor Grid. Many have already moved over even though it isn't really open to the public as yet.
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Vahn Dagger
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03-26-2009 14:45
From: Selene Gregoire 1) Convert Teen Grid into Family Grid. LL has been running 2 grids for more than the 5 years I've been in SL. I see no reason to change that now. A Family Grid would also eliminate concerns over adult/mature content exposure. Families can now play together as families and the adults can still play on the Adult Grid when they so desire. No. There's concern about pedophiles enough as it is. |
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03-26-2009 14:47
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-26-2009 14:47
From: Blackie Caliber Split private sims as an option is a good idea ... as noted above based on altitude with the option of having only 3000 meters plus designated as adult and below that as mature. Even better would be http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-205 . |
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Vahn Dagger
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03-26-2009 14:48
People don't seem to realize their goal is actually to make SL more "predictable".
There's no going from PG to PG area then suddenly coming across a mature parcel.
Sure, we can deal with it, but it's an inconvenience some users constantly have to put up with.
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Ceera Murakami
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03-26-2009 14:48
RE the Family Grid:
Adults there would need to have completely seperate avatars, usable only on the Family Grid, to ensure that no one from the Adult grid brings inappropriate content to the Family Grid as part of their inventory.
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Viciously Llewellyn
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03-26-2009 14:49
This would replace the need to move to an adult area.
It makes the adult areas above z=3012m, on the exact same land they currently occupy, makes them virtually invisible on the map, including avatars that use them, and removes them from non-authrorized search functionality.
They want to make the mainland more predictable ... this does that.
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-26-2009 14:50
From: Nany Kayo It creates the impression that SL is a brothel. I have already refuted this. |
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Briana Dawson
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03-26-2009 14:50
From: Charity Colville I remember as a noob with my first avatar, landing on a sim, quite by accident, where people were engaging in rather graphic animations with animals and I left SL for YEARS. (that was back in 2003)
That a straight out LIE. This NEVER happened in 2003. We did not have "graphic animations" that one could use back then with an animal beside "motorcycle sit" and that was NOT ANIMATED. In 2003 sex in SL was pretty secretive - there were no sims full of sex. If sex happened it was in the sky or underground and no one was making prim animals to screw until late 2004 and early 05. In 2003 it took a Friday/Saturday night party to get more than 20 of us together in a sim, let alone more than 3 people with the same sexual interest to have sex with an animal in an era with no animations where people kept their sex lives relatively personal. But yet somehow in 03 you logged in to a sim with people having 'rather graphic animations with animals". Go take your lying bullshit elsewhere troll. |
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Selene Gregoire
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03-26-2009 14:50
From: Vahn Dagger No. There's concern about pedophiles enough as it is. Try reading the whole thing and not just part of it. LL IS PLANNING TO COMBINE THE TEEN GRID WITH THE ADULT GRID which is what brought all this discussion about in the first place. You think there is concern about pedophiles enough as it is? Think about how bad it will be if LL does combine the Teen Grid with the Adult Grid regardless of force moving adult content sims to thier own continent.
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Meck Arun
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Every sim on SL could then BAN category A people.........problem solved
03-26-2009 14:52
From: Agnetha Vuckovic A far better idea than tagging sites as PG, Mature, or Adult would be to tag PEOPLE instead. In a self administered system. Might I suggest a range of categories :-
A) I am offended by absolutely everything, and regularly complain to LL.
B) I find nudity OK but don't like sex depictions.
C) I can cope with a little mild BDSM...but not the hard stuff.
D) Anything goes. Gimme gimme. Hold on while I rez my genitals and vore gear !
Every sim on SL could then BAN category A people.........problem solved ! ************* Brilliant! (post 2600 above) |
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Nany Kayo
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03-26-2009 14:53
From: Argent Stonecutter I have already refuted this. You don't have that authority. You aren't able to control the way things are perceived by everyone. |
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Nany Kayo
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03-26-2009 14:55
From: Argent Stonecutter Nothing that LL is doing in this process will have ANY effect whatsoever on that problem.
Linden Labs actually enforcing their EXISTING Terms of Service would. You could actually help them by letting them know about these kinds of errors. "...to see the results of adult search tag results you're going ot have to be adult validated verified; credit cards, age verification, similar; that part is self enforcing; if you're running a sex business you want people to find you using those terms..." Per LL |
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Lindal Kidd
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03-26-2009 14:56
From: Charity Colville ...My only concern about the changes being made involves legal liabilities. For instance, in the future, if a child happens to land in a PG region and is accidentally exposed to adult content because of someone violating the regions rules....who will be responsible, Linden Labs, or the sim owner?... Or maybe the person violating the rules? Hmmm...a novel concept. Nahhhh. And what's a child doing here anyway? The grid is still 18+.
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Lindal Kidd
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03-26-2009 14:58
From: Selene Gregoire Try reading the whole thing and not just part of it.
LL IS PLANNING TO COMBINE THE TEEN GRID WITH THE ADULT GRID which is what brought all this discussion about in the first place. You think there is concern about pedophiles enough as it is? Think about how bad it will be if LL does combine the Teen Grid with the Adult Grid regardless of force moving adult content sims to thier own continent. They may be planning that, Phil has stated he'd love to see it. But all official statements from LL say "We have no plans to merge the grids at this time."
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Selene Gregoire
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03-26-2009 14:59
From: Ceera Murakami RE the Family Grid:
Adults there would need to have completely seperate avatars, usable only on the Family Grid, to ensure that no one from the Adult grid brings inappropriate content to the Family Grid as part of their inventory. Good point Ceera. Thanks. I've added this as a quote to my consolidation post.
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Katheryne Helendale
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03-26-2009 14:59
From: Vahn Dagger When going from a few dozen PG zones to the next, that consistency feels nice. Then you come across a parcel which makes no attempt to hide or even partially enclose the naughtier bits. I will be among the first to admit that SL's current zoning schemes leave a lot to be desired; the new adult continent is a worthy means of achieving better consistency of content among regions. But the way they want to go about it is badly thought out and draconian in nature. IMO, the best way to achieve the ultimate goal of providing a more predictable, consistent user experience is to go ahead with the adult continent, and also create a new PG continent -- and make movement to either voluntary. I have faith in our userbase that most people will naturally gravitate toward the continent they feel best meets their needs and theme completely on their own. The sex shops don't want to be right next to lollypop-land any more than lollypop-land wants a sex shop near them, so it would all naturally work itself out. |
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Charity Colville
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03-26-2009 14:59
From: Lindal Kidd Or maybe the person violating the rules? Hmmm...a novel concept. Nahhhh.
And what's a child doing here anyway? The grid is still 18+. Are you serious? The person actually griefing is never the one who ends up being sued...and lets face it...kids slip in on the mature grid right NOW. Naive to think otherwise. |
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Selene Gregoire
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03-26-2009 15:02
From: Lindal Kidd They may be planning that, Phil has stated he'd love to see it. But all official statements from LL say "We have no plans to merge the grids at this time." You gotta learn to read Linden Speak. hehe "at this time"... think about it. Either way converting the Teen Grid to a Family Grid is still a viable and feasible solution and will be far more easier to implement than force moving hundreds or even thousands of adult content sims.
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Vahn Dagger
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03-26-2009 15:07
Ugh. I give up.
I've actually researched this and heard, from a Linden, that this is NOT, I repeat, NOT A PREPARATION TO MERGE THE TWO GRIDS.
Let go of your conspiracy theories.
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-26-2009 15:08
From: Nany Kayo "...to see the results of adult search tag results you're going ot have to be adult validated verified; credit cards, age verification, similar; that part is self enforcing; if you're running a sex business you want people to find you using those terms..." That's not going to have any effect on a search for *furniture* (not an adult tag) showing up with results on a parcel that has not been marked *mature* (not even adult) when it should have been. |
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Ann Otoole
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03-26-2009 15:09
lol from reading some of these obvious fakes it looks like LL went to getafreelancer.com and hired India to post anti adult posts here.
Whatever. LL made their decision.
Just tell us what your definitions of adult are so we can see where things land.
I imagine by the time LL gets around to forced relocation almost everyone in SL will have a little porno shop on a 512 for LL to move since that land will have value and the mainland will be a yellow ghost town afterwards.
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Rei Bade
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my concern
03-26-2009 15:11
my concern is this...i'm an avid roleplayer in secondlife....i go to many roleplay sim's some medevial some not...the sim's iv'e been to arent gory' or that too violent..granted some of the shooter sims yeah you are shooting at people but there is no gor in it...i'm just wondering how tightly is this band going to be put around the rp sims? i've read threads and it seems most of this has to do with sexual things on the business or sims or whatever..so basicly if i'm correct if lets say for example an rp sim doenst have any sexual nature to it...will that sim be safe? and if so what about the gorean sim's? they are clearly marked as pg sims...perhaps instead of forcing area's to relocate...ll labs could ask the certain sim's in questions or buisnes ..to be age verfied at least or have payement info on file? not like i'm worried my accoutn is age verified but it has some of my friends in europe worried... and one more thing...parents out there if you read this....if your child is under the age of 18 and wanders into a pg or mature rated sim..and you see something you dont like...dont blame the company.....i'ts not their fault...keep a better eye on your childern and stop making excuses for bad parenting....i'm the father of 2 kids and i make sure i know what they do on the computer...
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Selene Gregoire
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03-26-2009 15:15
From: Ann Otoole lol from reading some of these obvious fakes it looks like LL went to getafreelancer.com and hired India to post anti adult posts here.
Whatever. LL made their decision.
Just tell us what your definitions of adult are so we can see where things land.
I imagine by the time LL gets around to forced relocation almost everyone in SL will have a little porno shop on a 512 for LL to move since that land will have value and the mainland will be a yellow ghost town afterwards. LMAO!!! Don't tempt me..... Nah... We'll keep our full sim and homestead just they way they are. Mature with no "adult content"... ok maybe some of the clothing is a lil racey... 
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Ceera Murakami
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03-26-2009 15:15
From: Viciously Llewellyn This would replace the need to move to an adult area.
It makes the adult areas above z=3012m, on the exact same land they currently occupy, makes them virtually invisible on the map, including avatars that use them, and removes them from non-authrorized search functionality.
They want to make the mainland more predictable ... this does that. And it also removes all terrain and landscaping from your adult area. 
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