Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

This should work in the UK too, I have a verified paypal account, it's linked to my bank account and my bank account is id verified.

You don't understand.

I don't give a rat's fuzzy behind if your kids are *safe*; that's your lookout, and something I can't do anything about.

I would expect you to follow them around and make sure they're not an annoyance to all and sundry. You're responsible for their behavior. Apparently you seem to feel you have no responsibility on that score, and intend to let them run loose only answer an occasional IM from Mommy.

Because of you and parents like you, I say keep them on Teen Grid. Look at the mall rats in any modern mall to see why.

A name change will also be necessary - maybe to "Unreal Life" might be more appropriate to defining what will be the new sanitized version.

How crazy can this all be to be dictated to by the whim of the puritan minority ?

Maggie you know better than to go feeding trolls.

or worse, drop them off at the mall, and say "I will be back at 9 to pick you up"....how many STAY at that mall the whole time. And even if they do...how many are beating up kids for their video game money, smoking outside back, stealing so they can afford the next video game, etc.

She may be a troll, but it's a real issue.

Right .... next to me is a plot that is age-verified only for some reason (I think they were playing w/ land settings). One of my premium accounts can get on that parcel, the other premium can not. The only difference is the one that can dates from early 2006 and the denied one is Jan 2008. Neither are age verified.

True. Now, how exactly does that prevent you from seeing tags inappropriately applied to non-adult results?

Any responsible parent wouldn't bring their kids into the main grid, same as any responsible parent wouldn't let their kid watch adult telly shows or DVD's. There's a time and a place and this isn't a place for kids.

If LL want to build a family grid then let them fill their boots, but the main grid is not that place.

Hmm....I was going to argue that if kids were allowed on the main grid, you'd have endless stupid toilet jokes, crappy spelling, moaning, whining, 'its not fair', spamming, griefing, etc.

But on second thoughts....I don't think anyone would notice any difference.

The *current* parcel and sim age verification tagging is very haphazzard. If neither of your avatars is age-verified via Aristiotle, than neither should be able to get onto a parcel or sim that requires the current age verification check, regardless of your payment status. I have tested the old system, as have many others, and the general consensus was that even if you honestly DID verify, there was a random chance that some parcels would prohibit valid entry or allow invalid entry. The "Age Check" simply did not work reliably. And at the parcel level it only prevents access to 50 M above the ground.

But the LL proposal says that with the NEW tagging that will be in effect for the XXX continent and for any private sims that tag their sims as "Adult Only", it should accept *either* the Aristotle ID check or any form of "Payment info on file" or "Payment info used" as OK for access. This is an entirely new and as yet non-existant land setting, different from the currently available Aristotle age check.

Personally, the fact that the Aristotle check for parcel or sim access gets both false positive results (allowing someone in who has never age verified) and false negative results (prohibiting entry by someone who IS age verified); and the recently fixed glitch that caused new payment info properly entered on the website to fail to show up in-world until you actually spent money with that alt to buy L$; make me very skeptical of LL's ability to implement their proposed limits. And that is without even considering those people who can't or won't provide credit card info or do the Aristotle age check, and those who repeatedly proved that blatantly false information could be used to "verify" the age of an alt.

They are insisting on heading out to sea in a leaky boat, without even checking to see if they have repair supplies, when in fact they shouldn't start without first fixing the boat!

You really don't have a clue how search engines work, do you!Easy, you say? If it is so easy as you say, then why isn't it being done now?

my bosses have made it very clear anyone who comes on our company's land and starts trouble for content related issues will be considered griefing and will get banned from the lands that our company owns and this statement says it all There is a Difference between mature and PG Sims PG there isn't a whole bunch allowed so why does it take a moral bunch of do gooders to come on here and tell us what we can or cannot do they don't pay for our accounts we do furthermore if and i do mean if you are age verified then you should be allowed to travel where ever but if your not.... then you can only stay to mainland Sims but i state the following very clearly, IF YOU COME ON TO ANY ONE OF MY COMPANIES LAND AND CAUSE ANY AND I DO MEAN ANY TROUBLE YOU WILL GET PERMINATELY BANNED NO EXCUSES it states that as a clear description of griefing in our covenants

/me grins. Lawsuits should really be a last resort anyway. I actually think the Lab is wanting to do the right thing here, in an important sense. We just need to make sure they have all the relevant information in order to figure out what the right thing is...

You miss my point entirely. (#2601 & #2615)

I don't care what anybody says about you, and I'm not saying this because you're a Linden, but... You rock!

Ooh, a very nice point! It might well be worthwhile for some of the LL folks thinking about this to look at that experience. Not identical, of course, but very similar; and perhaps a bracing bit of reality that would help with the "oh, everyone knows what porn is" mistake...

It isn't necessary to have a PG grid, a Mature grid, and an Adult grid. Instituting some zoning rules should be enough to alleviate major concerns. There don't have to be as many zoning categories as, say, the City of Chicago has. But if somebody bought land in a region that was almost entirely residential, it's a good bet that person wants the region to *stay* residential. Likewise, if one buys land surrounded by shopping malls, he or she is probably not planning to build a cottage, and would be horrified to wake up one day and find the parcel surrounded by cottages.

One thing LL does *not* have to be concerned about is offense taken by people who intentionally go looking for something. If you have a sex bed in the privacy of your bedroom, you shouldn't have to worry about somebody complaining. If you have it on your front lawn, though, that's another story. And the owners of "adult" locations shouldn't have to be the least concerned about what may be seen by an underage person who lied his way into SL in the first place.

There's a sufficient number of totally irrelevant posts here...that I would imagine anyone at LL has long since given up interest in reading.

OK, i'll go on record as saying I don't like any of this. It smacks of a vocal minority trying to push restrictions onto everyone else because they think they know better.

I find people who believe in god to be morally reprehensible. Is LL going to create a special continent for religious activity and ban and public display of religion in the rest of SL? If not, why not? Why is this different from the proposals for adult content?

Having said that, I have ONE practical question. I own a private island sim: not connected to a continent in any way. Will i be able to designate that as an adult sim? If not, why not, and will LL refund my money when I need to shut it down?

Note that that isn't what the Lab are doing at all; nothing in the recent announcements said anything about making PG versus Mature more defined. This is about making a new third category, so far completely undefined, and perhaps moving all the content that fits into *that* category off of the existing mainland. But if you're concerned about the distinction between PG and Mature, none of this is about that at all; there's been no suggestion that that line would be drawn any more sharply, or that the enforcement would be made any stronger than it is now.

I seriously considered doing this, but I am already 100% certain that the private island sim that I live on will flag as Adult Only, so I won't ask Blondin to waste his time looking at my lands. Let him spend the time where it really will need to be spent - on the borderline mainland commercial sites most likely to require a judment call ASAP.

My sim is already not Public Access, so the list of people who can visit the sim is already shorter, by several orders of magnitude, than the list of people in SL who are either Payment info on file, Payment info used, or Aristotle Adult Verified.

As a god fearing atheist I disagree with you very much, let people believe in god, if I'm backing the wrong horse he or she will forgive me but I don't agree with restricting people's right to believe anymore than I agree with LL's forced relocation.

They have stated clearly that the owner of a private sim can and should flag their sim as Adult Only access, if there is any adult content in the sim that would have to relocate if it had been on the mainland. Yes, you can flag your sim as Adult Only. I plan to have my sim's owner do that to the sim where I live. No, no refunds.

um dude mature is adult