Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Not having a direct connection between the adult and mature would be a bad waste of resources ... the store is currently just under 1000 meters in orbit and will stay at that level ... I was wanting to landscape the ground level for boating and recreational use by the tenants on the mature sim. Unless busiess 'really' picks up, there's no problem with the 20 av limit that a homestead sim has.

NP with having two estate names ... with only two estates!

Good idea then all the adult places can just build above the ban lines and everyone can fly over from the adjoining estate that is not flagged adult and never have to prove their age.

I agree. But a neo-buddhistic part in me likes to yell at rocks. In exchange the rock yells silence at me, wich is a perfect deal, seen from a neo-buddhistic point of view, because silence is a value in a very loud and hectic world. But even a rock is not perfect and sometimes the rock yells back loud or stupid things, wich gives me a good laugh, because often it is an echo of my own yelling - but sometimes, very rarely the rock talks accidentaly about itself, offering informations and comments about its actual kognitive status, signed with the last alias-name Linden and different first names.

This is fun, because the self-analytic components and informations in every message of a Linden are, hm, how to say it polite enough?, well, they are interesting... The whole sub-culture of that laboratory is, ahm, interesting... - for that, that there are only a bunch of peeps wich are able to switch electrics on and some hard-discs starting to rotate, they have a kind of comical appearent very funny overcoming self-confidence, measured on the results of their acting.

I also like the systems they use, to handle questions and answers, concerns and anger.

They mix there oracle of delphi technics with devilish advocate technics, kafkaeske technics and even buddhism technics - the last one is the funniest one, because it means to yell at a fat smiling buddha sculpture. With that they have the most fun and me also. It is a cost free sharing of interests, so seen. I know that they peek and I know that they laugh about us until their bellies hurting and I know that they have fun with the green points on map, as their maneuvre masses and playtoys. It's good income and fun for them, even while they are unsubstantiated happy people.

It's good entertainment, somehow - for both sides of the falling medal.

Basicly I like watching people being in illusions about themselfs and about that they would know what they do and what their functions are and for what they stand up in mornings and how very important they are, not to mention their ideas...- even in rock status they give impressions wich are good for a daily 12 hours laugh about this self-hynotized collective wich lives in the halluzination that it would be a synchronized genius, raving that they would be filled up with strategic skills and power till up to under the tops of their skulls.

There meets what have to meet: they and we, this is perfect LEGO. - we are drugs for each other. Therapy not possible, because they try to show us and we try to show them, that no side will ever be curable or healable.

This activates again another part, the neo-diogenes part, in me. So seen it is a satisfying situation, if not a climax - to yell at rocks, because even the quiet rock is full of informations, often more than the talking rock, if you open your mind and offer some empathy to the silent rock -then the rock begins to speak... even without words.

But as said: basicly I agree with you. very. No joke.

An experiment could be to change the roles sometimes. Means, to be a rock, but this would mean that corporations, educations, business and all other customers, users, members and curious newcomers would have to be collective the rock.

French people have much experience in this. Actual, or last week they started again one of their famous traditional general/national strikes - this is impressive -when a whole nation switches into rock mode on keyword. I love that. And often it works. The government there goes frequently down on knees ever when that happens.

A good inspiration, right?

But:

Here we have the novum, that a company is more or less in kind of endless general strike and is nevertheless earning money while that, like free warm bread from the sky, Mana.

This is fascinating and a good reason for another good laugh. Even on both sides. Really.

Which RL company would like to be related with an empty world where all of its creative inhabitants have left for greener pastures, leaving the company holding the bag for thousands of idle servers hosting abandoned sims?

There's a reason you don't find a heavy business and corporate presence on There and IMVU.

There's no reason to assume that the separate Linden continents are all the same "estate". They are just referred to as the "linden estate" out of convention.

They want to make sure that an Adult sim can not be adjacent to a non-adult sim.

I think I'll run the portion of my SSN through to test if the system is in fact bugged. ._.

1. All sex related "whatevers" move to above z=3012m

2. Maps no longer show locations for avatars above z=3012m

3. No unverified avatars above z=2500m

4. Zero prim Linden trees to cover empty lots

5. No unverified avatars allowed adult search functions

Okay. I just did this and I can now confirm that the system is, in fact, bugged.

Using my ID card would probably be subject to that 18-month thing since my ID number was issued just last year.


However, last 4 SSN should be the knock-out punch here. It, however, failed.

No you just find that Anshe Chung has her fingers all in SL, IMVU and several other 3d chats.

Split private sims as an option is a good idea ... as noted above based on altitude with the option of having only 3000 meters plus designated as adult and below that as mature. This would eliminate a great many problems for landowners on suddenly adult designated sims - they would just have to keep their skyboxes below 3000 meters to still be in the mature designated area and not be required to either sell, loose their investment, or try to be age verified, or break the law of their country in being age verified, etc

BUT ... please, NO LINDEN TREES! We have to draw the line somewhere!

Ok let me just say this, While I am not into all the BDSM and Gorian roleplay areas I am not against them either. I think that all people should have the right to play their Second Life Where ever they chose. If you pay for the land then you should be able to use it the way you want to. Can you help it if your new neighbor is a Vampire when they move in and you are a Priest in the Catholic Church? In First Life you either deal with it or move. Well moving in Second life is more of a headache than in First Life, but wait isn't Second Life supposed to be just that another outlet to explore things. Hello Just like in the USA in RL we are letting a Minority speak for the Majority and what happens The Majority suffers. I think this Idea is ridiculous and shouldn't happen but since the island is already created my voice means nothing. But I will tell you this much when we continue to let the minority speak for the Majority of people then we will just be saying that if it offends one person it offends all, Tell the ones making waves that they can just deal with it, Second life is a chance to explore life in a way that allows you total anonymity and safety of not being persecuted for what you are exploring. Some people in Second Life are exploring things they have been afraid to try in Real Life. Why take that away cause someone decided that they don't want to see it...there is a thing called Teleport. Not to mention by doing this you are quashing the creativity and excitement and something that Draws people to SL. I would hate to see people leave SL because of this but I fear that is going to happen. I have said my piece and Personnally I would like to see this minority movement Quashed and leave SL alone....If you don't like the vampires, get a garlic Necklace, if you don't like BDSM or things like that READ the searches. If you don't like the Music turn the music off and use your media player on your computer...there are ways around your problems. People just need to think before making others miserable....Sorry but My AVI will Never wear a NUN's Habbit and that is basically what you are doing here....Put us all in Grey suits and forget being an individual it isn't going to happen lets make SL just another Canned MMORP (Mass Multi-player Online Role Play) and take the fun out of it for others.....If I wanted that I would go back to World of Warcraft or Worse yet Age of Conan

Hi,

Not just business owners but families would stump out the cash to have this and mine would be one of them. I have 2 daughters and my 17 yr old took one look at the Teen Grid, said "Lame" and left to go back to her PG13 2D world where she has been happily ensconced since she was 12.

My 13 yr old niece cannot be with her mother or the rest of our RW family (who are restricted to Mature Grid of course) finds the Teen Grid lonely and somewhat frightening because she doesn't have the backup of her family. She would love to virtually visit with both her cousins and participate in PG appropriate activities online with the rest of us.

I chose to join an 18+ service because I did not WANT to have to comply with PG rules and self-censor my conduct or chat because of minors. I assumed that SL, which still states it is a 18+ service intended for adults, would take all reasonable steps to keep minors out of SL for it's own legal protection and established userbase.

I would suggest that LLabs would be better served by "re-imagining" the Teen Grid which is probably a money loser as it stands and repurpose it as the Family Grid. Open it up to families, adults, corporations, educational entities and content creators who want to participate in a sanitized, controlled and PG enforced world which will make their experience "predictable" and where there is NO chance of stumbling over Mature content whatsoever.

Family Grid would require full disclosure accounts meaning both RW address and validated credit card on file for all adults but also COPPA for all minors which means that parents must read and respond to an email declaring said child to be allowed to join. This puts the onus on anyone who wants PG to put THEIR RW infomation on file and it means that LLAbs has the same information to find and remove reported predators. Have a visible in world enforcement presence so that parents and minors know exactly who to contact to report inappropriate activities and content.

The day the rumoured Teen/Mature merge happens is the day I leave SL. I do not PAY to play in kiddie worlds...I PAY to play with adults.

Morganna

No. I have a beautifully landscaped and terraformed home, with waterfalls, streams, a koi pond, and a beach with waves. I have a secluded hot tub that is positioned so it uses real Linden Water to fill it. I like being able to watch the sun setting over the sea beyond my beach through the windows of my home, as my Partner and I enjoy each other's company. I do not want to be forced to abandon my ground-based home to avoid peeping toms that shouldn't be looking inside the enclosed spaces in my home in the first place!

Being able to designate a "Privacy Pocket" at high altitude is one proposal that residents have asked LL for, for well over a year, and LL has ignored that optiion. But I would not want that to be the ONLY option for adult activity, any more than I would want to have to retreat to a hermeticly sealed steel chamber burried in my back yard any time I wanted to mate with my spouse.

I can double-confirm this. o_O

Thats what is worring me too is the effect on private sims bcause if this is to truely work then every sim in SL has to be involved. I am a GM in the CoLA chain (Lost Angels sim and surrounding) and there isn't a sim that is there that wouldn't have to be adult flagged. Not that adult stuff is always happening but there is always the chance of it happening. A lot of our players joined after SL opened up free accounts (a move I wll never understand) so they will now have to go through verification of some kind.

And lets keep in mind kids have been able to skirt this before. this won't stop a determined 16 year old from signing up to SL and goting to a cyber strip club. Just another hurdle and another reasn for people to bitch.

Age verification is still in beta.

That said, they are forcing us to use an OBVIOUSLY incomplete system.



LL are idiots.

Apples and Oranges in my view ... nobody is going after anyone's fish pond, in spite of the scare tactic posts made here.

I see this as as addressing all the Linden's issues, including mainland ones. It makes a special area for sex related business, which is really what they are after, nobody has to move to new land, and nobody knows its up there, unless they have the means to get to it.

Obviously, the zero prim trees are for those that want it ... if someone has a nice build, they can opt out.

*giggles* not to mention all the wanna-be Masters in both Gor and BDSM, who think that wearing the title makes them the most knowledgeable...that collect a chain of 15+, then think that they are a great one, because they own that many. Some of these also believe in the GorCraft venues...The "Boys of Gor" will find themselves without a playground, and will go back to the pg/welcome areas, and start hitting on newbies there, and now that they can't get to the adult area, because they are blocked...they will bring that newbie to the nice beautiful park, and have it on there. Or stores with the equipment out on display, because now, there are no "free sex" areas available for those who come to explore, before committing.

It creates the impression that SL is a brothel. That keeps some valuable organizations and businesses from setting up here, which in turn deprives the employees and clients of those orgs.

I'm not offended by the sex. My concern is the lost opportunity of jobs that don't exist and services that are not being offered.

I figure they're not going to change their mind, no matter what people in this thread say, so I'm just addressing bugs in the system they intend to use.

Pretty much what 99% of the near-2,800 replies in this thread could be condensed to.

Yet they won't listen. They're a corporation now. We just have to live with it.

I will state right off that I have not read this entire post so there may be a great deal of information that I am missing, however I will do some reading.

I have been running a rather high traffic PG venues forever in Second Life and applaud that LL is finally taking steps to make PG verses Mature more defined. Not everyone in Second Life wants to be exposed to Xrated material and it would be nice to know prior to landing in someones region what you can expect. I remember as a noob with my first avatar, landing on a sim, quite by accident, where people were engaging in rather graphic animations with animals and I left SL for YEARS. (that was back in 2003)

While search and other details of this change may be difficult, there are certain things that should be easy. Regions should be either PG or Mature, and the parcels included there, and the groups that operate there, should match accordingly. If a parcel, group, or region is Mature, it should NOT show up in search when "Include parcels with Mature Content" is UNCHECKED as they do now because of the current systems flaws.

My only concern about the changes being made involves legal liabilities. For instance, in the future, if a child happens to land in a PG region and is accidentally exposed to adult content because of someone violating the regions rules....who will be responsible, Linden Labs, or the sim owner?

Just my two lindens worth,
Charity Colville
Sweethearts Jazz

Ye gods, theres no way one could give proper attention to 15, even (especially?) in SL. The M/s dynamic takes just as much work and dedication on both sides as a vanilla relationship if not more.....

That's not what I heard. What I heard is that adults can be verified to a restricted presence on a specific sim in the Teen Grid that the teens may come to. Parents are not allowed to visit the Teen Grid with their children.

OK.. I've gone back over my other posts and gathered the main points and consolidated them here. I am sure I am overlooking something here but I believe this is not only a viable solution but is also the best solution for all concerned including LL as it would not take nearly as much work nor be nearly as complicated as force moving adult content sims.

1) Convert Teen Grid into Family Grid. LL has been running 2 grids for more than the 5 years I've been in SL. I see no reason to change that now. A Family Grid would also eliminate concerns over adult/mature content exposure. Families can now play together as families and the adults can still play on the Adult Grid when they so desire.

2) Adults have access to both Family and Adult Grid. Age verification required for Adult Grid only. I see no need of age verification for a Family Grid where everyone of all ages is welcome. I know some will mention online predators... even COPPA cannot fully prevent predators from accessing but I think for the kids sake it should be implemented so that parents can deny or approve of thier child being in SL and on the Family Grid.

3) Adult sim owners can purchase sims on the Family Grid as well as the Adult Grid. Many sim/estate owners on the adult grid would also purchase sims on the Family Grid in order to make thier products available on both grids. Those adults who rent thier shops would also be able to rent on both grids. Products can be sold on both grids as long as products offered on the Family Grid do not contain adult/mature content. This would put more money in LL's pocket. The contract for purchasing a sim on the Family Grid would need to contain a clause whereby the buyer agrees to no adult/mature content. Anyone selling adult/mature content on the Family Grid would be banned for life.



Morganna: That is exactly my point and the reason I came up with this solution. The problem now is to get LL to act on it.

Everybody that has an Adult-oriented business on the mainland has to move, or cease business.

If you are running an adult business on a private island, and the sim owner chooses NOT to designate that sim as "Adult", you will have to move.

There are a LOT of mixed use private sims that depend on an adult club or business for financial survival, or who will choose to flag as Adult so their residents can behave as consenting adults without fear of being AR'ed under vague and unspecified definitions of what does or does not constitute "Adult" behavior. If you are not Adult-verified and are No Payment on File, and if you live on a Private Island whose sim owner chooses to designate that sim as "Adult", you will have to move.

If you are living on a private island sim, and the sim owner decides that they can't continue in business as either all Adult, All not-Adult, or that the hassles of re-arranging their mixed use sims so the adult stuff is ONLY in one block of sims and the non-Adult stuff is ONLY in another block, and they decide to sell some or all of their sims, including the one you live or run a business on, you will have to move.

This is going to impact a LOT more people than just the ones LL designates on the Mainland as having to move to Pornotopia. Even if the official designation for who must be on "Adult Only" land is strictly for the commercial businesses that sell sex or sex-related stuff. Because they don't exist in a vaccuum. The sims and malls they are in now are almost all mixed use.