Jack - Why allow child avatars on Zindra?

LOL WUT? (O.o)

Heh. You really aren't reading a single word that disagrees with you, are you? (=_=)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

Anyway. I still say the greater danger are REAL kids getting mommy or daddy's credit card and faking their way into Zindra. Someone is going to cyber with them and ALL HELL will break loose. (^_^)

What you forget about the 2007 'pedo scandal' was that the undercover reporter on the case was claiming to be a REAL child in real life. And, it was quickly revealed that she lured ADULT avatars into taking her to their home and pointing out the sex-bed. So, while the ageplay crowd was gathering attention at the time, the REAL scandal involved REAL pedophilia and a potentially REAL victimized child. (=_=)

Either way. I'm still touring Zindra in my adult avatar and taking a look at how things progress. So far, it's just mainland. No different from what mainland has been for years. I even wound up at a caveman party last night. The rules were at the door and in the land description. Two important ones:

No child AVs

No guest nudity.

Cool, easy rules to follow... But, what? No guest nudity? Nudity is allowed on Zindra! What kind of freakshow land owner would restrict nudity on an Adult parcel if they know that everyone there is an adult? Haven't they read what the Zindra continent is all about? Lias, I suggest you go correct them in the errors of their ways. (=_=)

Also. It seems you missed my post about the REAL 14 year old I ARed the other day. His avatar was completely naked and had a giant penis that out-scaled just about every avatar in the sim. I posted a picture of my little self 32 meters away from him. Given the scale of his penis, you'd have thought it would have raised a ton of red flags and Chris Hansen would be knocking at my door. I mean, it's a picture of my little avatar in the same sim as a penis! PENIS, I tell you! XD

Poor little kid. All he wanted to do was play with his giant prim-penis in a virtual world and some adult in a kid avatar has to come around, show that 32 meters is hardly a valid distance in regards to proximity, then ban the sorry little guy and his ADULT avatar from the grid. (T_T)

I figure you hate backtracking as much as you hate reading... So, I'll just leave this right here. =^-^=

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THINK ABOUT THE KIDS AND PEDOPHILES IN ADULT AVATARS!!!! .... OMG..... Wait.... Did I just bring up a REAL issue? (O.o)

So when do we get to see some from you if your side is so right? Statements akin to "when will someone think of the chilun!" or restating your opening premise are not cogent points in a logical debate. They are transparent attempts to get an emotional reaction or the equivalent of "it is true because I say it is true".

The only "child avatar sex issue" you've demonstrated is your boyfriend flashing innocent kid toons.

That wasn't even sex. (^_^)y

I have seen your posts and your jpegs and cap print. Takes up alot of space to be off-topic. From the posts that discuss the issue I see that there is no valid absolute reason for anyone to put on the child avatar and come to Zindra. I mentioned the massive amount of requests for Extreme Adult content parcels that LL will start filling again tomorrow (there is an argument that it will not be that much), I show the pattern of activity and scandal of child avatars (you categorize the behavior and distance yourself from the guilty, you even place blame on the people decent enough to expose the pedophilia) and I point out that the child avatar is already sanctioned by LL - and that one more sanction will not end the child avatar's presence in SL - Just in Zindra (you climb up on a cross and claim persecution).
So, according to you, none of our fears are valid and child avatars are completely innocent of any wrong-doing. And if that were true it would be nice.
But you all are used to 'proving' to anyone that questions your actions that you are completely innocent, that its just pixels and your all consenting adults. We have heard it all before. I think you are all just used to having such a chorus of voices that it is quite easy to drown out any opposition (you have told me several times I am a 'lone' voice). But this is too important to be quiet about - and no one needs a mob scene to have a civil discussion. All of these scenarios we have laid out in these 50 plus pages may or may not be the upcoming reality of Zindra. But I would like Linden Lab and the uninformed general public to know of the threat to the Adult Community from this glaring oversight (You would now say there is no threat and the current child avatar sanctions are sufficient). When the first child avatar is exposed in Zindra in a adult sexual situation - I assure you the adult community will suffer much more than the child avatar community. We make the perfect scapegoat.

No. I'm just saying you misunderstand the situation as a whole and are asking for unnecessary rules under the guise of protecting children. At the same time, I'm showing you REAL children that need protection and you're ignoring the issue. All of this really points out how truly selfish your personal solo vendetta is and, frankly, how much you've practically completely alienated your potential supporters by resorting to inane topics and slanderous personality attacks. (=_=)

I am not trying to protect children. I am trying to get Linden Lab to do as much as needed so child avatar people do not have anothe sex scandal - and to put some sanctions in place to make sure that sex scandal does not happen in the adult continent of Zindra.
That would be another thread And I respectfully suggest you are using it as a smoke screen to get off this issue.
And there is your agenda.

You mean any-rating parcels on adult-rated regions, which seem to be increasingly going to land barons who will in turn sell them to any yobbos with the L$ to burn.
No, just a discussion. Which involves things like, oh, actually supporting your arguments when they're disproved.

You mean any-rating parcels on adult-rated regions, which seem to be increasingly going to land barons who will in turn sell them to any yobbos with the L$ to burn.
No, just a discussion. Which involves things like, oh, actually supporting your arguments when they're disproved.
Linden Labs seems to agree that there's no evidence of another similar sex scandal (involving adult-avatar pedophiles and a reporter claiming to be underage in RL) being created by allowing kid toons in areas containing no sexual content... whether they happen to be in PG, Mature, or Adult rated regions.

It is true because it happened before, continues to happen (with people forced to go 'undercover' to weed out child avatars in Adult Sexual situations every week) and can happen in the Adult Continent of Zindra unless proper sanctions are put in place to let these child avatar people know that the lame excuse of 'I was just exploring' (we heard that one at the Zindra opening twice) is not acceptable and voyeurism while RPing as a child will not be accepted.

If you're not worried about protecting children, then why bother with the kid AV issue as it is right now at all? No U.S. laws can be broken with the TOS/CS guidelines that exist as they are. The sanctions have been done. The subject has been over and done with since 2007. (Sexual)ageplay is banned and people get banned for it if they're caught acting it out. What you're after now is quite meaningless and very personal in nature. If LL were to bow to each and every of our personal whims, what would the grid look like? What would be left? (=_=)

I know you like to cite Adfarming. Adfarming caused a HUGE community uproar. Thread after thread after thread was started, the numbers were tilted to the side of people wanting clear views of their surroundings and a minority of 1 or 2 adfarmers kicked and screamed.

I'll cite SL5B "respectfully declined". A few organizers made a decision that kid AVs weren't PG enough for the PG event. As a result, there was a HUGE community uproar. Thread after thread was started, the numbers were tiled to the side of the people wanting what was defined as an inclusive PG event to include a perfectly valid PG community and a minority of 1 or 2 anti kid marchers kicked and screamed.

Now... Zindra... Linden Lab has put their rules in place and created enough legal butt-covering to prevent REAL kids and people who want to avoid adult content from happening upon it in a predictable fashion. They have established large numbers of regions for this purpose. They have even more regions on standby to place among the continent to make room for more. And, they have made it clear that it's pretty much mainland business as usual while the allowance of advertised adult content has moved from (Mature) land to (Adult).

The HUGE community uproar is more over what can still be done on (Mature) land and how the current land owners are being processed in regards to where and when they're being reloacted so that they can get back to business. The smaller uproar is coming from a few, limited, overly excited people who are leveraging off of a single situation that violated their closed in sensibilities and need someone or something to lash out against.

As a result, a blogger that's pretty much tolerated for comedic value alone decided to raise a fuss. A fuss over a celebration that involved safe content until one person decided to violate the terms and location by potentially sexualizing the event. Well, the event wasn't sexualized. It really was pretty much a gag item from the start. And, the laughable blogger flipped out over it. The excited few, looking for something to lash out against found this blog and leveraged off of it to incite a virtual riot that basically fizzled out. There is no HUGE community uproar. There aren't throngs of bloggers, forum posters, news reports, or anything else supporting this anti-cause. It fizzled. Faded away. Accomplished nothing because nothing was it's goal.

What's left? False accusations, character attacks, slander, and 1 or 2 anti kid marchers kicking and screaming. (=_=)

You should be in favor of that, because it's so much easier to weed it out when you can cam into it from a public parcel in Zindra, instead of having it hidden on an inaccessible private estate.

Where does it say extreme content is a requirement for the move?



All other references say commercial. But I don't see extreme specified anywhere. I even found one "former" adfarmer with land in Zindra now.



How is it a vendetta for Immy to mention that the penis parcel is using copyrighted images and what the background of the site they are from is? Only the copyright holder can file a DMCA, but the prevalent misuse of copyrights in SL would likely result in a whole lot of (more likely, more realistic) bad press for "the platform" you worry so much about.

As far as sex scandals and such, I thought it was the flying penises which get remembered far more often. Maybe we should ban flying, dancing, wearing ones while we are banning things.

Because when the sexual depictions of children are rooted out in SL - the entire community is painted as pedophiles - not just the child avatars. My concern is the scandal that ensues after the Protect-the-children people get their evidence.
What is left is people deliberately adult verifying, putting on child avatars and gong directly to where they know there is an abundance of adult content. And there is no need for hat. And he cons out weigh the bizarre reasons given to do so. The sanctions against child avatar are purely due to perceptions - and people's concepts pf decency. You all are willing to make those current sanctions useless by 'accidentally' running into adult content while wearing a child avatar and 'exploring'. The sanctions just need to be re-worded to cover this gray area to save us all from your bad judgment in this area.

And yet they've been rooted out, according to you, on a regular basis since 2007... without that leading to any new scandals.

Your underage horse is dead, Lias. Beating it just makes people think you're some kind of Equine Sadopedonecrobestialist.

When we made or tickets we had to describe our content. The more Adult content lifestylers were chosen. Some folks were denied the free move because their content was not adult enough.
Because it was completely off-topic and only mentioned (like Immy mentioned my venue twice) to sling mud and smokescreen the topic here.
They are banned - outside Zindra. And that is the MAIN point of Zindra. The Adult continent of Zindra will never be the shopping paradise of child avatars - it was never meant to be. The Linden sanctions against child avatars and sex is a more than subtle hint that none of you will acknowledge for what it is - So I suggest LL make it more than clear to you since common decency will not prevail.

Penises are NOT banned outside Zindra. You can wear prim penises in public, outside Zindra. You can even wear prim penises in public in the presence of kid toons... even naked kid toons... even outside Zindra. Nudist camps are still NOT adult rated. Non-erect prim penises are still NOT adult rated.

Anyone here have enough room and spare prims to make a 1:1 model of TaiPei airport?

No comment needed.

I think I was one of the people that said that. The haunted dam build was pretty cool.

True. The beach is still in operation. There is no need to move to (Adult) land too. It's an estate sim and nudity isn't sex. (^_^)y

The protection of the Adult Content Providers from child avatar sex scandals in the Adult Continent of Zindra is the topic of the thread. When Philip opens the flloodgate to teens to come to this grid that will be next. But for now they are banned - and would remain banned from Zindra because of their age. People insisting upon rping as youth do not , as the real children do not, need to make their presence known in the adult continent of Zindra.

There haven't been any child sex scandals since 2007, and that one was about RL kids, not RL adults with SL kid toons. You're worried about a problem that's astronomically unlikely.

And I'm an expert in SL astronomy. I was the first avatar to pass the billion meter altitude in SL.

Again Lias you're totally ignoring real, valid reasons why child avatars must be allowed on Zindra, why? The question in this thread is "Why allow child avatars on Zindra?" I've already told you why and asked you why you cannot understand that. Why no answer, Ms. McCarthy?

Child avatars can own weaponry in Second Life. Should such weapons produce a sufficiently gory, violent death, their use is forbidden everywhere except for Adult flagged properties. This is coming directly from official communications from Linden Lab. You say they don't need to go to Zindra to buy these weapons? Who cares? They still have to use them on Zindra. Therefore allowing child avatars on Zindra is not only already determined to be an allowable thing under Linden Lab rules, it is also mandatory.

So I ask you again why you are so unable or unwilling to grasp such a simple concept. Why is this, Ms. McCarthy?

That topic was resolved in 2007 by the guidelines posted in the blog. They were further reinforced in the Zindra update blog post. Simple, kid avatars can't have sex. Without sex, there is no sex scandal. Nudity is not sex. Adult is not sex. (^_^)y

This.