Jack - Why allow child avatars on Zindra?

I think you missed out on some of the convo. We were talking about wandering around Zindra in a child avatar. That would be someone who was just getting their jollies from 'accidentally' coming across adult sexual content while wearing a child avatar. Why get your kicks in that manner? Why not err on the side of caution and wear a different avatar when wandering around Zindra? We see how many tickets were in in one hour (700) LL just rezzed more of Zindra to make accommodations. And only the most explicit are being approved for the move. You know all this (I didn't go so far as to say you accepted it) but still you insist upon having the right to rp in that fashion.
You say only one blogger picked up on the indecency of a child avatar in Zindra and it will not become internet fodder if it happens again and again. And I ask you again: Why does iy have to happen? Why do child avatars need to wander around freely in areas that have adult content (sexual, if you insist upon identifying the type of adult content)? I believe common decency will prevail in this debate. Linden Lab did not like the position they were put in in 2007 with the child avatar scandal and I am sure they do not want to be thrust into that glaring spotlight once again just because a few select individuals have a uncontrollable compulsion to RP as children in Zindra.

The chair doesn't have sex poses in it.

You were talking about wandering around Zindra as a child avatar, yes, because that imaginary scenario suits your purposes. I'm talking about a real situation where a player would have a legitimate reason to visit a parcel in an adult-rated sim in a kid toon, a situation where there is NO possibility of the player with the kid toon ever being in the vicinity of sexual content.

In what fashion? I am talking about real situations that are likely to happen, not this made up "kid toon wandering around Zindra for a thrill" bovine exhaust you keep bringing up and I keep shooting down.

There was no indecency by a kid toon in Zindra. The only indecency was your boyfriend, and he would have been indecent and against the ToS if there had been no kid toons there.

The scenario you're speculating about hasn't happened once. There have been no posts from people who use kid toons suggesting that they have any intention of making it happen. None.

They don't. This is not about kid toons wandering around in areas that have sexual content, this is about, and I quote from the subject line, "Why allow child avatars on Zindra?"

Simple answer: because if there are places on Zindra that do not contain sexual content, then there is no reason to prevent kid toons from being depicted in those places.

That's the subject line.

That's the bottom line.

Did I say anything about sex poses? Sit poses put people in different places with respect to the object depending on the avatar's height.

The reasons for any store maybe being in Zindra has been explained to you over and over. It is pointless to try explaining it again.

Why is exploring so far fetched? And there is absolutely no reason for anyone to visit Zndra in a child avatar unless he was participating ina a child avatar RP located in Zindra (which would be highly inappropriate)

Look back and see a few of your child avatar apologists say they would explore Zindra - look at Mari's blog and see that was her lame excuse for being there and returning whenever she wants.
But the child avatar would not know that until he arrived - why take that chance? What is the thrill of it? and why put SL in a situation like this once again when you could just change your avatar and come to Zindra?

Caitlyn I included that explanation in my response. The answer was that some of that store's furniture would have sex balls in it and so the owner of the store moved all of his content to Zindra - and I responded - that if the store had furniture with sex balls - then there is no need for a child avatar to be there. And anyone selling sex furniture and child furniture in the same store is asking for trouble.

If Zindra is 50% porn, then it's unacceptable. The kid toons you're trying to ban wouldn't visit an area with that much chance of encountering porn.
You can assert that all you want, but it's complete bull.

1. That's not the only reason. You aren't an immertionist. That's fine, you don't have to be. You don't understand immersionists. That's fine, you don't have to. But don't you bloody dare say they don't exist.

2. And even then, it would only be inappropriate if there was sexual content involved. They could be playing the character of the "Lookouts" in recent episodes of Penny Arcade, as a troop of boy-scouts in a fantasy universe where they're after their "cockatrice" merit badge.

Sure he would. You aren't implying that Tommy Brock is lying when he sends that teleport request to Peter Rabbit? Have you ever known Tommy to lie?

Even if there's four kilometers of air between the general furniture (not "child furniture", general purpose furniture) and the sex furniture?

What I think everyone that role plays in one way or another realised every time she keeps saying "why can't you just change avatars?" *sigh* Some non-immertionists just do not get it.

As for "why can't they change avatars?", does anyone seriously believe that if a resident well known for playing a child avatar did go to Zindra with an adult avatar they wouldn't get AR'd for it?

I am saying anyone immersed into being a child would not put that child in adult situations. Unless that was apart of their kink. Then I say such kink is inappropriate. And until Linden Lab creates Adult Content restrictions (instead of using the old Mature content child avatar sanctions) then child avatars will be able to access adult content in Zindra all they like.

Or that someone who was engaged in something a kid could not access, who knew it was an alt of a kid, would suddenly accept the person as another adult there for the same reason?

[reply to Milla]

You mean "went to a public area in Zindra", right? And given that Immy went to a public area in Zindra in an adult avatar and Lias went ballistic about it, no.

So what? The subject isn't "Why allow child avatars in sexual situations", it's "Why allow child avatars in Zindra". The two are not equivalent.

No matter what you say.

The two are not equivalent.

There already ARE restrictions for if child avatars access adult content!!!! What is so 'special' about Zindra? Even though a lot of the initial moves are porn places, eventually (it is already happening now actually) it will just be another mainland land market. You will wind up with all sorts of stuff there.

I'd be tearing my hair out at this point... if I had more of it.

Ok the following story may be hard to believe but is totally true: Before Zindra, a young boy decided to shop for dances. This led him to Henmations. On one side of the store there was furniture, and he saw in search that it was *gasp* sex furniture. The other side had dances. He went to that store, yes he did. He got several dances and not once did he venture over to the side where the sex furniture was. Never saw anyone testing poses or anything. Now, my kid alt may be an annoying brat at times, but he does know when to use common sense. Just like Peter Rabbit would when visiting his friend in a safe environment albeit on an adult region.

Good for you, if everyone tore their hair out we'd have much less lag!

Haha, good point!

You can pay someone on Zindra to do that for you.

I showed up in an adult avatar and sure as heck got reamed for it here in this thread. (=_=)

Now there's a kink I have yet to hear about being acted out in SL.. Hmm.. *ponders business idea*

But where is that child avatar to go to use that gun? Since they are in fact allowed to do so? According to LL the use of that gun if it results in a violent, bloody death, is adult content and must be relegated to Zindra. Therefore child avatars are not only allowed to be on Zindra, but MUST be on Zindra. Why is it so hard for you to grasp such a simple truth?

Speaking of kids and guns....



Innocent regular picture from Mature mainland, no? Take a closer look...

http://www.sluniverse.com/snapzilla_snapshots/Imnotgoing_Sideways_Docklands_Zoo_384609.jpg

32 meters away is a naked avatar with a primnis that's practically the same size as his whole avatar. Now, I could HARDLY refer to this as proximity in my part. So, I still believe that there's no violation here. (^_^)

BUT WAIT!!! THERE'S MORE!!!

You see... Dick Frankencock over there is admitting to being 14 years old with a little boy's voice in voice chat, so, I was in the process of ARing him while taking this picture. (=_=)

So... Which is worse?

A kid shaped avatar 32 meters away from someone with a primnis on?

Or a RL kid strutting around a virtual world with a primnis on?

Just wait until one of these kids gets hold of mommy's or daddy's credit card and refuses to admit to his/her age or get on voice chat in Zindra. You'll NEVER know what's coming at you. You know? (^_^)

Way to edit quotes to serve you own need to misrepresent.

It is the right of individual parcel owners to restrict the access to their land. That is the right I do not understand why it is so difficult for you to grasp.

I do not have a child avie. I am against restricting the movement of others. LL made a sensible decision on child avies in Zindra. Anything less would have been an enforcement nightmare for them.

You, however know nothing of me-nor how obscenely offensive your concentration camp comment is to me personally. You keep saying not to hurl insults at you, yet you do it with no regard for others.

It is the right of individual parcel owners to say who can and cannot be on their land. The time and effort you spend beating the forums over the head with this argument would be far better served in a Zindra merchant association. THEN, you can campaign to your hearts content to others as to why child avies should not be around particular content.

This was the quote which you edited down to serve your own needs. I am curious, if you are so dead set against immertionists, this would be a simple concept to grasp. Regardless of who we represent ourselves as (bird, plane, ferret, person, kid, etc) we are in SL and come back to SL because we want to(marketing etc). THAT is what I was getting at.

SL is a platform run by LL. Their decisions are affected by things such as- there aren't enough G-Team members to cover every inch of Zindra and make sure there aren't child avies. They give us tools in which to use the platform. Rules come down when those tools are abused. This means that child avies who are adult verified are able to enter Zindra, as it isn't, and won't be wall to wall porn.

Should freedoms be abused, such as a child avie entering a location which CLEARLY says no child avies, or the incident Immy described earlier, then those situations should be AR'd.

Not only does LL give us the tools to enjoy the platform freely, they also give the tools to tell them when there is a problem. With those tools, also comes the "Boy who cried wolf" fable; stage incidents, or report things which never happened and credibility heads towards zilch.

"If your so attached to your avatar and refuse to switch it..."

What you are saying here is: Since an avatar is just a pixel costume, users should not be attached to it and but be willing to switch it to fit the theme of the sim (no furries on Gor) or to follow "common decency" (no kid avatar on Zindra).

Now I am asking you this: Since in your opinion, an avatar is just a pixel costume, which can and should be switched any time (meaning it does not bear any meaning for the users beyond that) *why do you make such a fuss about it in the first place*?!