Jack - Why allow child avatars on Zindra?

Why would you, knowing that there s more than a 50% chance of encountering Adult Content in Zindra - purposely wear a child avatar and go there?

Yes. That blogger is completely unaware of U.S. law. I already understand this, responded to it with real legal examples, and got my response deleted because that blogger is holding on to indefensible claims.

One thing that blogger is right about. There are some weak minded and sad people who have problems identifying the line between fantasy and reality. In a virtual world, all visual depictions are fantasy. Anyone who can't grasp that should never watch television, stop playing video games, and seek counseling.

Because, it'll be my intent to visit the other 50%.

Some of my favorite clothing stores are forced to go adult and I've already spent some sporadic time mentoring in the River infohub.

Mind you, in my short adult avatar. I'm just not in the mood to go little right now. The clothing I've been wearing lately has under-breast shading that looks warped on a flat chest.

Oh, so she is right about that but completely wrong about anything she wrote about child avatar apologists. I see.

You do not have to shop in an Adult Continent as a child avatar because you cannot try the clothes on anyway. Lame excuse. Your not willing to make any concessions at all. You just want to fulfill your 'child gone wild' fantasy without FURTHER restrictions.

And these clear and easily understood rules have been rigorously obeyed by the people you're trying to ban from Zindra for two years. You have NO reason to expect that they will not continue to obey them.

If it were true that there was such a high chance of encountering sexual content, then no player using a kid toon would go to Zindra, because it would be clearly unsafe. The only kid toons seen in Zindra were seen at a time when 100% of Zindra was 100% PG.

Now, mind, you'd have to have a good deal more than 100% of the parcels containing porn to make it 50% likely that any visit to Zindra would encounter some.

See, even if 100% of Mosh and all surrounding Zindra City sims were 100% wall-to-wall dongs at ground level, and I owned a "Ferrets and Kids" parcel in Mosh with a store in a skybox at 4000m, and that store was in a 100% opaque 100 meter megaprim sphere, and had 100% G-rated ferret- and kid- oriented content, I could give any kid toon a landmark and they could visit and it would be 100% safe. Right?

Actually... The clothing stores in question are the stores that ARE selling the stuff I wear as a kid AV. It's my PG clothing that's the problem. I can never find good PG clothing without breast shading. But crop-tops and mini-tops, as sold in my favorite store, solve that problem.

Who tries clothes on in clothing stores in SL? There's no "temporary" clothes model, you have to buy the clothes to wear them and then it's too late to try them on, and most stores don't have build enabled so you have to go home to unpack your purchases anyway.

My favorite clothing store, Silent Sparrow, doesn't have build enabled in the entire sim, so far as I can tell.

But based on what you were wearing when I met you on Mosh, you don't shop for clothes much in SL anyway, so I guess you just don't know how it's done.

Blogging is to journalism like Disney is to porn. Nada.

Once the child avies are sanctioned off the grid, can we start with a campaign against restaurants that advocate cannibalism? How about against walking through a womans legs to enter an establishment?

This is a rehash of a rehash and I am still not seeing how this has moved to being more than just a long standing grudge held by a few people against child avies.

I never said anyone was wrong about anything. You habit of adding words to other peoples' statements is not helping.

What that blogger is wrong about is U.S. law in regards to depictions of underage sexuality in media. For example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chobits

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yubisaki_Milk_Tea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahoromatic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saikano

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negima!_Magister_Negi_Magi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Baby_(film)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita

All published works available in the United States of America at a Waldenbooks or Barnes&Noble near you. All containing situations of underage characters nude, in sexual situations, and/or imitating pornography.

So, when that blogger flat out claims that the content is against the law, I ask, what law? And why doesn't said law apply to published works for sale on store shelves right now?

Of course, that bogger had no answer, so it was much easier to simply have my commented deleted.

Gladly, you can't delete the truth here.

Argent. There are pedo ARs daily on the grid. Don't try to sell such nonsense.
Well, obviously from Immy's postings - one would. She will make no concessions at all and will wear her child avatar where she pleases - even if that means encountering sexual content in Zindra. It would be nicer if she would agree to change her avatar out of common decency - but that obviously is not her choice. Perhaps that choice needs to be taken away from her since her choice endangers everyone's reputation and freedoms on the grid.
In one hour of opening Adult content land swaps - LL received 700 requests. The request for adult content land in Zindra will stay open until mid-July. LL just rezzed more continent to handle the requests because as it stands - THERE ARE NO PARCELS LEFT AVAILABLE THAT ARE NOT FULL OF ADULT CONTENT IN ZINDRA.

A blogger was the catalyst to Linden Lab making the child avatar sanctions in 2007.

I do nto think there is any reason to martyr child avatars in an attempt to make the issue go away. Why would anyone purposely put on a child avatar and go to where, as it stands, over 700 parcels will be adult content. It is obvious that the Real World is quite sensitive about the depiction of children on the internet - that is why their outrage forced LL to make sanctions against people that insist upon RPing as children in Second Life. Knowing this - why push the envelope (in the face of decency)? Why carry-on with this campaign and insist that you should be able to enter adult content parcels while your RPing as a small child?

There's griefers ARed daily on the grid, does that mean everyone who writes scripts is a griefer?

These are not the pedos you are looking for.

We don't need to see your papers.

Move along.

She's not willing to concede that the nonsense you're spouting is correct, but her actions are completely within the most rigorous bounds of propriety.
Gee, I was just in Zindra in my non-NPIOF non-age-verified super-short and super-cute chibi-fox alt Argent Koskinen, and flew through a good dozen mature sims, and didn't see so much as a single dong.

In Zindra.

I couldn't enter the adult sims, but I could certainly peer into them, and saw absolutely zero porn. There was one parcel listed as a BDSM castle but it had nothing visible outside the walls.

So, well, when you say "There are no parcels left available that are not full of adult content in Zindra." I guess you're talking about the suspiciously phallic trees or something. Or maybe you're making stuff up again. Let's see your "List of adult parcels", Tailgunner.

So if there are no parcels left in Zindra that are not full of adult content.... what about the merry-go-round there? (NE corner of Schelton?)

How would anybody know if there are 'pedo ARs' daily on the grid?

No. They're spacing out the parcels. There is still about 50% to 70% unoccupied land because Linden Lab is aware that you don't want to butt potentially busy parcels next to each other and watch them duke it out for resources. Add to that, there is still large amounts of protected land. So, Zindra sims are NOT full of adult content at all. Even now, while the swaps are being enacted.

The blogger also pointed out that child ageplay apologists go through such effort to make sure they are nto breaking any laws so they can cont9nue to push the envelop of decency without further sanctions.
Even you cannot think of a real reason why you NEED to enter Zindra (knowing that there is a good chance of you encountering adult content) while RPing in a child avatar.
It is all because you want to and as the RULES are stated now - you can. No concern about common decency - just your kinks and your wants. That is the same stance the child avatar people took in 2007 and the entire grid paid for their actions with international bad press.

Actually, that merry-go-round might have to disappear, depending on context. There are sanctions against playground equipment in proximity to sexual content.

I thought it was Sky News that was the supposed catalyst?

Why carry on this campaign of being so freaked out by kid avies? I don't RP as a kid avie. I am firmly against restricting the ability for anyone to move about the grid.

LL for once had some sense in their policy toward kid avies on Zindra.

Turn off FOX News and the rest of the world gets much less sensationalistic.

You don't NEED to enter second life at all. Nobody here NEEDS to go anywhere in SL, so demanding that someone NEED to enter some parcel is setting a bar that nobody, not even you, can pass.

How many times does this need to be explained to you?

Zindra is pretty much equivalent to pre-Zindra Mature regions.

Child avatars explore the mainland often. So where is this rash of problems of child avatars constantly rezzing in sex places? You are just using a strawman argument.

No Immy. what idiot would put a PG parcel in between a Brothel and a strip club?
The land is unoccupied because we all received letters from LL on Thursday saying that they will continue to have us move in on Tuesday when all of the parceling is done for the 700 people that applied in one hour and the new land was available for the rest.
And as you saw in Mosh, the protected land is attached to the Large Penis sculpture parcel with the X rated images inside - so not so PG safe after all.
These are all wonderful excuses Immy, But there is no reason a person wearing a child avatar needs to RP in Zindra. But there are over 700 reasons that you should not.

You are talking about advertisements for the land (which you can list as commercial, hang-out, adult, etc). What I meant is 'is there an area in adult land where you can select the rating of a parcel'

Big news for ya. Typically when people are exploring a sim they do not look up the ads for the parcels they see before entering them.

Linden Labs.

Caitlyn, in the recent past - Adult content was spread out over the mainland. Linden Lab has gone to great pains to bunch all of that existing content together in one area - on one continent. So now we all know exactly where it all will be. Upon knowing where it will be - why put on a child avatar and go toward it? "Because I want to/Because I can/Because there is no rule that says I cannot". Lame.
Common decency should prevail. But since their compulsion to RP as children in mostly adult areas is stronger than their sense of common decency - a RULE needs to be out in place to compel them to not enter in child avatars.

I agree to the rules as they stand. What I don't agree with is that they're based on law. Because they're not. At least, not in the U.S.

Sex always breaks a law somewhere. Even if it's two adults being two adults in a purely adult context. It doesn't have to be here at home in our own country. Have you considered what CleanFeed is doing? Have you considered what this Mark Kirk guy is intending to do?

They are out to prevent adults from being adults and doing adult things because kids pretend to be adults online in order to access it.

THIS is where the driving force for Zindra is coming from. Yet, you don't seem to see it. Moralists driving their morals down our throats and restricting what we can do in order to pat themselves on the back for saving the world yet another day.

Then, the victims of the moralists lash out. Play the "My kink is fine, but yours crosses the line!" card and accuses people that have kink but don't share THEIR kink and the reason for all their ills.

Content on the internet? Go to gelbooru.com and search "loli". ALL of that artwork is legal. Surely, NSFW, and completely unsuitable to be linked from this PG forum. None the less, legal and by no means bound to cause the downfall of the internet for the next hundred years.