Jack - Why allow child avatars on Zindra?
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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07-04-2009 16:06
From: Lias Leandros We are not talking about Mari. Yes she was. It was just me,her and two folks talking in the train station within eyesight of the penis sculptures. I only accidentally went there to see the viewer work in Zindra. I then left my avatar afk while I posted about the parcel. When I flipped back I saw herand then she posted also. I logged in as Lias later and met up with you and Millia. Immy was not there when I was there with the both of you.
Argent, caps and cursing do not make you more right. No it wasn't... And you weren't there. Your alt was. Sneaky-sneaky. =^-^=
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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07-04-2009 16:08
From: Argent Stonecutter That is NOT the consensus, and you know that is not the consensus. The majority are sayng, and have said since you started this whole anti-kid campaign MONTHS ago, that kid toons shouldn't be in areas depicting sexual activities or containing sexual content.
What, now you're saying that Immy SHOULD HAVE used her kid avatar when she visited Zindra? She can't win either way... if she goes as a kid you attack her for that, if she goes as an adult you'll attack her for being in denial about... something. Some dark and unspecified sin. Being a child avatar disguised as an adult avatar, I guess. I've heard stories about events like that. Like people showing up as furries in a dance club and getting threatened by the DJ.... They changed to human and got an IM.... "You're not fooling me! *banned*" (=_=)
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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07-04-2009 16:10
From: Lias Leandros I believe the penis sculptures clearly me the threshold. And when it doubt - fall back on common decency. Again, no one would take a small child into anyplace with those penis sculptures outside. My common decency doesn't equate to your common decency. And, your common decency doesn't equate to anything I've ever heard before... Even from Linden Lab. (=_=)
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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07-04-2009 16:11
Wow.... 4 posts in a row... I shouldn't have had that Mountain Dew. (O.o)
Eep.. This makes 5. =^-^=
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-04-2009 16:12
From: Lias Leandros I believe the penis sculptures clearly me the threshold. And when it doubt - fall back on common decency. Again, no one would take a small child into anyplace with those penis sculptures outside. Stay out of Bhutan: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xx5X_8y4vAQ/SGeKIngTqGI/AAAAAAAAAKM/z9P2a6X2DwI/s400/DSC02617.JPG#And Taipei:  And China: http://www.rabsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/china-erection_shy_pillar.jpg#And Japan: http://travel.ninemsn.com.au/img/article/penis/penis-fest.jpg#
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Lias Leandros
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07-04-2009 16:18
From: Argent Stonecutter That is NOT the consensus, and you know that is not the consensus. The majority are sayng, and have said since you started this whole anti-kid campaign MONTHS ago, that kid toons shouldn't be in areas depicting sexual activities or containing sexual content. Anything described as adult content under Linden Lab's rules does not have to be made available to anyone that insists upon RPing as a child. From: someone What, now you're saying that Immy SHOULD HAVE used her kid avatar when she visited Zindra? She did but you do nto think the penis sculptures are sexual content. I say they are adult content and that is is enough of a deterrent for a child avatar. Linden Lab needs to expand upon their definition of Sexual and Adult content to quell this confusion.
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Briana Dawson
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07-04-2009 16:23
From: Imnotgoing Sideways Wow.... 4 posts in a row... I shouldn't have had that Mountain Dew. (O.o)
eek! Empty calories!! PLACE THE MOUNTAIN DEW ON THE DESK AND SLOWLY STEP AWAY FROM IT!!
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Lias Leandros
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07-04-2009 16:24
From: Imnotgoing Sideways My common decency doesn't equate to your common decency. And, your common decency doesn't equate to anything I've ever heard before... Even from Linden Lab. (=_=) Immy, your really saying that you would take a small child into a structure with two large penis sculptures in front of it (even if the contents of the structure were benign)? I believe you would. And that is pushing the envelop of decency a bit too far for me. If you feel the need to pick apart the Linden child avatar sanction rules so you can move about freely in adult content areas I have to question your motivations and goals. What drives someone to want to depict small children in such situations? It is a kink that is most broadly offensive. And one I hope LL puts a end to immediately.Not only because it if offensive but because we do not need anymore international negative publicity stemming from more inappropriate child avatar activity.
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07-04-2009 16:24
This one looks primmy: 
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Lias Leandros
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07-04-2009 16:33
From: Imnotgoing Sideways As a policy, it's quite sensible. Not one single mention that kid AVs MUST be purely PG by any means. And here it is. Because Linden Lab did not tell you that a child avatar MUST be PG at all times - you have used that to do as you please. Linden Lab usually over-estimates the resident population and this is no different. Just as it had to be explained to adfarmers with complete restrictions I believe the child avatar is heading down the same road. From: someone And, I don't believe in the "silent majority"... What I see is one person echoing her claims and maybe those of her limited circle of friends. So far, I see nothing "broadly" happening anywhere, except, many attempts to clarify to ONE person what is already clear to people in the common masses. (=_=) What I see here is that unless a large mob chases you off a cliff like Frankenstein's Monster you will soldier on with your 'barely legal kink'. This attitude is quite obvious throughout your child avatar community. That is why we need Linden Lab to step in and make it clear to you and your ilk that your behavior is risky, offensive and could force sanctions on the entire platform.
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07-04-2009 16:35
From: Lias Leandros Immy, your really saying that you would take a small child into a structure with two large penis sculptures in front of it (even if the contents of the structure were benign)?
You know what... My sister-in-law does not allow her husband naked in the house except the bedroom. She has the irrational fear of their 2 daughters seeing the ZOMG PENIS. And now they do weird things, like when my husband tries to use the bathroom there, they have tried to steal a glimpse of his package...And when they get into the older grades in school, their curiosity is going to get the better of them and they just may go totally nutty (literally) when they eventually get a hold of some man meat. Now in my house, i am often a nudist, and my children are comfortable with nudity, and when my husband streaks from the bathroom to our bedroom, my daughter does not fixate on his package (ugh i hate thinking about that) - like my sister-in-laws kids try to do - because my children are used to the human body, and as they get older and exposed to things beyond my control when i am not around them, i know that their curiosity will not get the better of them and maybe get them into a compromising situation because they were eager to get a look at genitals they NEVER get to see. The penis and vagina are not EVIL. They are not exclusive sex objects. They are a part of the human anatomy, part of the reproductive process, part of the body waste process, and most importantly, part of reality. Sheltering your children from the natural things in life, like the reproductive parts of the human anatomy, only increases the chances that your children will obsess over it and when they finally get to see these things without parents around - curiosity will get them in trouble at the wrong age for such a thing to be happening which often leads to pre-teen and teen age pregnancy of the daughter or the son causing the pregnancy.
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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07-04-2009 16:35
From: Lias Leandros Immy, your really saying that you would take a small child into a structure with two large penis sculptures in front of it (even if the contents of the structure were benign)? I believe you would. And that is pushing the envelop of decency a bit too far for me. If you feel the need to pick apart the Linden child avatar sanction rules so you can move about freely in adult content areas I have to question your motivations and goals. What drives someone to want to depict small children in such situations? It is a kink that is most broadly offensive. And one I hope LL puts a end to immediately.Not only because it if offensive but because we do not need anymore international negative publicity stemming from more inappropriate child avatar activity. So, you have problems with benign content? I would consider that YOUR problem. Not mine. Not Linden Lab's. Not anybody else's. (=_=) Yes, I do see no problem with children being next to non-sexual nudity. Real, simulated, or otherwise. How did you bathe as a child? In a swimsuit? Have you ever heard about nudist resorts? Heck.. Have you ever went camping at all. Many camp grounds have common showers. We almost always shared the shower with our parents. (=_=) Much ado about nothing. (=_=) And, I was in my adult avatar. Get over it. (=_=)
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Briana Dawson
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07-04-2009 16:39
From: Imnotgoing Sideways Much ado about nothing. (=_=)
One of my favorite Shakespearean plays.
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Lias Leandros
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07-04-2009 16:40
From: Briana Dawson You know what...they just may go totally nutty (literally) when they eventually get a hold of some man meat.
Now in my house, i am often a nudist, and my children are comfortable with nudity, and when my husband streaks from the bathroom to our bedroom, my daughter does not fixate on his package (ugh i hate thinking about that)
- curiosity will get them in trouble at the wrong age for such a thing to be happening which often leads to pre-teen and teen age pregnancy of the daughter or the son causing the pregnancy. Briana, this is too much information, lol. But I see your saying that adult nudity stops teen pregnancy. OK, that was fun. Now back to the thread.
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Caitlyn Clawtooth
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07-04-2009 16:42
From: Milla Janick Wasn't something said about the issue only being about human child avatars? I think I posted in that sub-tread. Someone commented that my having a tail too made me not human so technically not a human child avatar.
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Briana Dawson
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07-04-2009 16:44
From: Lias Leandros Briana, this is too much information, lol. But I see your saying that adult nudity stops teen pregnancy. OK, that was fun. Now back to the thread. Children exposed to nudity in their own household, are less curious about the sexual parts of other people, therefore less apt to take part in silly games of "show me yours and i will show you mine", and definitely less apt to go crazy in high school because they never saw a vajayjay or a weenie while they were growing up. But twist it like you will...the same way you have done the rest of the statements in this thread. 
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-04-2009 16:44
From: Lias Leandros Immy, your really saying that you would take a small child into a structure with two large penis sculptures in front of it (even if the contents of the structure were benign)? Taipei airport?
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Lias Leandros
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07-04-2009 16:45
From: Caitlyn Clawtooth I think I posted in that sub-tread. Someone commented that my having a tail too made me not human so technically not a human child avatar. So now your all going to put tails on human child avatars and have a pedo party? There is that common decency thing again - but, you know, whatever. Have a good time.
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07-04-2009 16:48
From: Lias Leandros Anything described as adult content under Linden Lab's rules does not have to be made available to anyone that insists upon RPing as a child. Yes, and you think people who RP as ferrets are vermin and should be neutered. From: someone She did but you do nto think the penis sculptures are sexual content. I haven't said that.
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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07-04-2009 16:48
From: Lias Leandros And here it is. Because Linden Lab did not tell you that a child avatar MUST be PG at all times - you have used that to do as you please. Linden Lab usually over-estimates the resident population and this is no different. Just as it had to be explained to adfarmers with complete restrictions I believe the child avatar is heading down the same road. What I see here is that unless a large mob chases you off a cliff like Frankenstein's Monster you will soldier on with your 'barely legal kink'. This attitude is quite obvious throughout your child avatar community. That is why we need Linden Lab to step in and make it clear to you and your ilk that your behavior is risky, offensive and could force sanctions on the entire platform. Child avatars claim to be children in role play. Not barely-legal adults. When I'm in my short adult avatar, my claim to barely legal is perfectly valid. Google the bloody term. (=_=) Please give examples of these kid avatars claiming that they're into barely legal kink. Or are you inventing your own reality again? Barely legal means you're at your 18th birthday. Child avatars are generally RPing from 10 years old and younger. There's an 8 year gap that you're not addressing here. (=_=) And, am I such a monster? What harm have I done? Where is the mob? Really.. Produce one. I'd like the conversation. =^-^=
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-04-2009 16:53
From: Lias Leandros Anything described as adult content under Linden Lab's rules does not have to be made available to anyone that insists upon RPing as a child. Yes, and you think people who RP as ferrets are vermin and should be neutered. From: someone She did [wear her kid avatar] She says she didn't. From: someone but you do nto think the penis sculptures are sexual content. I haven't said that. I've said they're not inappropriate for public display in RL. I've said you're deeply confused about what's appropriate in RL. I've said that there is more extreme content than that on mature parcels right now. I haven't said that I think kid toons should be depicted in the presence of these objects, just that the presence of such objects somewhere in a region should not mean you can't have any kid toons in that region, and that the adult rating doesn't mean you can't have kid toons in that region. You seem to treat this last point as meaning I'm in favor of letting kid toons screw in public in Zindra or something, and then you're surprised when I get a little frustrated and try to bite you. 
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-04-2009 16:54
From: Lias Leandros So now your all going to put tails on human child avatars and have a pedo party? Classic McCarthyism.
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Caitlyn Clawtooth
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07-04-2009 16:58
From: Argent Stonecutter Mari is the only kid toon I've seen evidence of in that train station. Yeah, but I get to get yelled at by Lias too as I was at the opening party too. 
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Lias Leandros
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07-04-2009 17:01
From: Imnotgoing Sideways Child avatars claim to be children in role play. Not barely-legal adults. When I'm in my short adult avatar, that's my claim. (=_=) Uh huh. From: someone Please give examples of these kid avatars claiming that they're into barely legal kink. YOU. From: someone Barely legal means you're at your 18th birthday. Whatever is it, YOU said it. From: someone Child avatars are generally RPing from 10 years old and younger. There's an 8 year gap that you're not addressing here. (=_=) Must be apart of that gray area I have been going on about. From: someone And, am I such a monster? What harm have I done? Where is the mob? Really.. Produce one. I'd like the conversation. =^-^= No Monsters Immy, just folks with very different sensibilities and levels of reality. The reality is that if you all keep insulting people's sensibilities we will be rime warping back to 2007 and LL will be issuing press releases about child avatars again.
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07-04-2009 17:01
From: Argent Stonecutter Classic McCarthyism. I didn't know McCarthy was into that or they named it after him.
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