Jack - Why allow child avatars on Zindra?

The Sanctions against Adult content providers and child avatars cane from outside of SL. They were due to what many who do not participate in SL saw happening on this platform. You have to eventually get a clue and see the pattern - or be prepared for more forced sanctions because of your actions.
When you catch us with gag balls in our mouths on a child playground then you will be correct. Griefers invade space where they are inappropriate. That description could fit the actions of a child avatar on a parcel with two large penises on it.

Hey! Keep away from my content. - No Kids allowed.

I would call stuff like this:

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[22:16] L... L.......: to keep the child avatars out we have to have impromptu Sex Hud parades through Zindra
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[22:17] L... L.......: if you run into one of the little bastards get a picture of them next to the parade
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one of the worst kinds of griefing. Care to explain your stand on the promotion of criminal acts and TOS violations for us, Lias?

I am at the pre-Independence Day Party in Zindra now hosted by some escort lounge that got waterfront property. 30+ folks for several hours. And not one child avatar apologists in the bunch. How refreshing.

Gee, thanks for the suggestion to fly over to that continent. Ban lines stretching into the river, islands made in it, builds encroaching on it? Yeah, this will last. At this rate you will not have to worry about child avatars, you will get yourselves banned from SL.

My actions? There's going to be a reaction against PG-rated ferrets?

Your continual innuendos and insinuations that the people who disagree with you are engaged in risky or inappropriate behavior is vintage McCarthyism.

The only person doing anything likely to create such a scandal is you. The only evidence you've presented of inappropriate behavior is your boyfriend wearing a cock suit for a photo op. The only blogger flaming about it is using that same photo of your boyfriend as her evidence. Your hypocrisy is astounding.

It shouldn't be refreshing to you, because, it's been the norm that private parcels hosting sexual content have been avoided by the majority of kid avatars for nearly two years. (^_^)

If it's refreshing, what sort of change of pace has it been? (O.o)

If it's refreshing, how often have you had to deal with a kid AV drop-in at an adult party? Weekly? Hourly? Daily? (o.O)

Or, is your sense of refreshment a result of your made up reality about those griefing kids that will descend upon you right when you start banging the gong slowly? (^_^)

But, mind you, the road outside... Or the infobub... Yeah, those are outside the parcel boundaries. Hands off, okay? Vigilantes are unwelcome, it's protected land, and in most cases PG guidelines are still enforced. (^_^)

And, don't worry. I won't touch your giant lumpy legs. I'll just stand on the protected land outside the door and take a picture like a good little tourist visiting all the offensive atrocities on the grid. (^_^)y

You should see the 1024x1024 sky-blocking megaprim I found over some beach land. From the looks of things, it's a purely residential build wrapped in banlines and the mega is clear on bottom, plywood on top. Maybe, this way, the build doesn't show up on the map and the effect of their cheating the system won't be revealed to onlookers intending to AR them for fraud. (^_^)y

You must be gutted about the lost photo opportunity, why not organise a parade with everyone from that club and maybe one of you could dress up as a child avatar so you can reveal the full shocking truth.

They have already started building into the river and putting ban lines into it. I do not think kid avatars are going to be the biggest problem for them when LL reacts to that.

Why am I not surprised that they would encroach on each other's builds with megas? Besides which, a 1024x1024 is a bit of overkill. I hope you ARed it?

Looks like it was taken care of. Still makes me wonder how they qualified for the free exchange. Since there's no publicly hosted adult themed content anywhere. (^_^)

It could be LL's rather expansive definition of a club or whatever. A friend had to move because her private house was designated a club. Forget that there was never more than 2 green dots there.

You make no sense.. you want another birthday without sanctions, but you want a sanction to do this. Once you start with sanctions, the next one and next one are easier to do.


The size of the TOS should be a hint to you that there is no freedom once you agree to it. I am saying we need more guidelines to make sure that people who feel their freedom is more important than the plkatform are fully aware that this is not the acceptable.
You already did when you agreed to the TOS.[/QUOTE]

And again, once you start cutting things out to "preserve the platform", it is not very long at all before there is no platform to preserve. You seem to think that anyone taking a stance other than yours wants total freedom, cats and dogs living together, mass chaos, and is a pedophile. That is not correct. I fully agree that a person Roleplaying a child should never be inside a sexual environment while said sexual actions are going on. If there is no sex going on (i.e. the building is closed, no one there, etc), then there is no problem. I say it that way because of exploring, and knowing that many times some of the best design is done even inside sexual works.

Now, if there are sexualized photos, graphics etc, then yes, they do not need to be there either.

But saying they should not even be on a land labeled "ADULT', which stands for much more than sex is just not supportable. Saying they should not even be in the same region (town) as a sexual building is unsupportable.

No, I agreed not to harass, not a prevention of offending. It is impossible to not offend someone at one time or another.



That is the thing - they are not inflexible, all they (the ones in this thread) are saying is that they are following the rules as stated, and there is absolutely no need for the narrow restrictions you are asking for.

And again, watch your personal pronouns. I have never played a child, but the way you use the words makes it appear that anyone arguing against you must be a child AV trying to cause problems. This is why so many people, those even who think that you may have some core value to your statement is good, either argue against you, or just do not come in here to support you.

Exactly. Child avatars should have seen this coming after the intolerance in SL5B, But no. They push the envelope even further, demanding negative attention.

Let me explain to you why child avatars in adult settings is broadly offensive. Replace 'child avatar' with 'Catholic Nun Avatar'.

A Catholic Nun Avatar with her habit on dancing nude at a nude beach party.
A Catholic Nun Avatar going to 'check out' an Adult Parcel in Zindra with two large penis next to the entrance way.
A Catholic Nun Avatar dancing at the opening of the Adult Continent of Zindra in the proximity of a dancing penis.
A Catholic Nun Avatar hanging out the lobby of a brothel.

The Catholic Nun Avatar is adult and verified and can go where she pleases. BUT it is purposely offensive to put such an avatar in these settings. If a group of Catholic Nun Avatar did these things in SL (without apology) I do believe many of our SL and RL Catholic groups would complain.

Now, obviously many of you posting for the 'rights' of people in child avatars to do as they please as long as they do not have sex have become immune to what usually offends the average person. But now, in 2009, there are people voicing their concerns about your actions. You have pushed the envelope to nearly the breaking point and you endanger the investments of everyone in doing so.

This does not just go away because you pile on some new age freedom of expression opinion. You have reached the point of being broadly offensive and you are not willing to meter your behavior at all. We discuss it here to let Linden Lab know we need this situation monitored and eventually dealt with. You may say it will not happen but, if you carry on as you have in the recent past, it is a given.
And we do not agree on this point. Child avatars do not belong in Adult rated parcels at all. It is offensive and perverted. Children cannot be used as fodder for your kinks.
I am not a member of any group or organization. Just one person stating her opinion. I do not need what you call support from complete strangers. They read and develop their own opinions. I, like many others in SL, really thought that Linden Lab had dealt with this child avatar thing in 2007 . We read the blog and that was good strong talk from the company. To see this roleplay is alive and well is quite disturbing. Of course, many of us would not have known that if child avatars had not thrown it in our face by entering Zindra. So here we are. Out in the open. It will not end well.

/me hides her latex nun's habit.

Your next on my list Milla!

/me shops for a latex nun's habit. =^-^=

Shenanigans. The only people DEMANDING anything are you and Prok and your buddy in the cock-suit.

*boggle*

http://www.lastgasp.com/d/4293/#

And be told politely to bug off, I hope.

NOBODY IS ASKING FOR KID TOONS TO BE ALLOWED IN AREAS CONTAINING SEXUAL CONTENT. The only people who have even brought that up are anti-kid-toon "activists" like you. It's a STRAW MAN. You're inventing an offense where none is occurring.

Please see the comments on this blog post to see not only myself, Prok and the cock are concerned about this issue.
http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2009/06/marianne-mckays-machinations.html
You say this. But when I say a child avatar went into the penis parcel you say that the presence of a penis is not considered sexual content to you. And this is where you and the social norms part ways. Linden Lab needs to expand the definition of the child avatar sanctions because none of you have been able to figure out what is offensive and what is acceptable.

LOL, omg this is too funny, especially this quote by Prok:



Yea....Prok does not tell lies...No, not at all. She does not exaggerate the truth, stir the muck with a stick, and slander people, right? WRONG - she does ALL of those things, and more, including In World harassment, personal insults, and character assassination.

LOL Prok says: *i hate lying* LOL

People are so funny when you look at their values and claims juxtaposed to their actions.

"I hate lying, but LOVE slandering!" gtfo.

Yeah, you know all about slander after you posted that creator's products and suggested he stole them. Luckily someone alerted him to your thread and he corrected your 'mistake'.

But let's try to stay focused: Linden Lab just rezzed a few more sims for Zindra Adult Content folks. 700 requests in one day and more coming in.The Linden suggestion that there will be some PG safe parcels in Zindra does not seem to be the current reality. I really am amazed that child avatar people still say they will go to Zindra all they like. No apologies, no self evaluations of their actions to-date. That is a very dangerous stance to take. If you do not bend you break.

Geeze, i just read that tripe of an article and it is a serious slam on Marianne, and an unjust slam as well.

Yet another Jason'esque style hatchet by Prok once again on an individual trying to live a happy Second Life without harming anyone in their time.

Sorry Marianne. I hope you do not read that trash, it is not worth your time, and i wish i had not read it myself.

Complete downer.

Wow. Lias the Liar.

I made a mistake with Eku and the sculpted shoes. If i had seen that the creator was Eku Zhong i would have never posted the thread, but i acted prematurely without doing the proper research. Eku did come forward and set the record the straight.

It was not slander - it was not intentionally done to harm Eku Zhong, it was an honest mistake. Quite different from the intentional ignorance and selective arguing you do and the hatchet job your pal Prok does on people.

I can admit when I am wrong.

You and Prok however....well, lets just say i would expect the polar caps to melt first before either of you ever smelled the poop on your knee's and actually admitted being wrong about something - like you are about this issue.

The link to the article was to show Argent the people that are also concerned about how Child avatars portray themselves in Second Life. The Mari/Prok squabble is not the focus. Prok muted me years ago - big deal.
I just do not want you to think that 6 million SL users agree that child avatars should be able to enter Adult Parcels in Zindra. Of course you know that this i snot true. Child Avatars like to function in the gray area of the rules and common decency. If a parcel is marked adult, and that child avatar person FEELS that the content on that parcel is not considered sexual(which Adult is more than just sexual acts) - they will just enter. So you can convince yourself of anything and just go where you please.