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Kokoro Fasching
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07-02-2009 18:22
So Lias, you will not answer any of my messages, which are ON TOPIC! But you will IM me in world again, huh?

[16:30] L... L.....: I posted it in world because your way off topic . I am not going to participate in derailing the thread -

You won't respond to valid questions.. you are calling a penis Adult, when clearly it is not considered adult in the REAL WORLD.

Answer my posts if you are brave enough.
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07-02-2009 18:24
From: Kokoro Fasching
So Lias, you will not answer any of my messages, which are ON TOPIC! But you will IM me in world again, huh?

[16:30] L... L.....: I posted it in world because your way off topic . I am not going to participate in derailing the thread -

You won't respond to valid questions.. you are calling a penis Adult, when clearly it is not considered adult in the REAL WORLD.

Answer my posts if you are brave enough.

And don't wait for the translation.
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07-02-2009 18:26
From: Kokoro Fasching
So Lias, you will not answer any of my messages, which are ON TOPIC! But you will IM me in world again, huh?

[16:30] L... L.....: I posted it in world because your way off topic . I am not going to participate in derailing the thread -

You won't respond to valid questions.. you are calling a penis Adult, when clearly it is not considered adult in the REAL WORLD.

Answer my posts if you are brave enough.
KoKo, calm down. I did'nt see your question. I feel that two large penis sculptures are considered Adult content by Linden Lab. Ryan Radio was selling a non-scripted sculpty penis at his store and he had a sign outside with a picture of said penis. Linden Lab returned that picture to his inventory. So Linden Lab had considered penises out in the open inappropriate. In Zindra they are allowed because Adult Content is allowed there.

What language do you need it translated to Brenda?
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-02-2009 18:32
From: Lias Leandros
Ryan Radio was selling a non-scripted sculpty penis at his store and he had a sign outside with a picture of said penis. Linden Lab returned that picture to his inventory.
When and where did that happen? Was it after the adfarmer ban was extended to non-adcut parcels? After that the restrictions on what you could advertise for sale changed significantly, but people with the same content without advertising were unmolested... even if it was outside.
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Milla Janick
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07-02-2009 18:40
From: Lias Leandros
Argent, I keep saying it is not an ARable offense under the current restrictions under the CS. This thread is about that. The OP asks why Linden Lab is allowing child avatars onto such parcels.

If it's a child avatar in proximity to sexual content, it's an AR'able offense.

If it's not AR'able, it can't be very sexual.
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Kokoro Fasching
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07-02-2009 18:49
From: Lias Leandros
KoKo, calm down. I did'nt see your question. I feel that two large penis sculptures are considered Adult content by Linden Lab. Ryan Radio was selling a non-scripted sculpty penis at his store and he had a sign outside with a picture of said penis. Linden Lab returned that picture to his inventory. So Linden Lab had considered penises out in the open inappropriate. In Zindra they are allowed because Adult Content is allowed there.

What language do you need it translated to Brenda?



How did you not see the questions when you IM"ed me in world just after I posted them telling me to stop my rant? Look back, you will see them. Answer them.
Caitlyn Clawtooth
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07-02-2009 18:54
From: Lias Leandros
Thank you for changing into an adult Avatar to enter the adult parcel in Zindra


Oh, I did not change for you or for anyone else. I just happened to be logged in with another character who was wearing an adult AV at the time (I am always a kid, she flips between kid and adult).

BTW, I never said I entered the parcel, I went to the sim it is in. Do you like putting words in people's mouths?
Lias Leandros
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07-02-2009 19:14
From: Milla Janick
If it's a child avatar in proximity to sexual content, it's an AR'able offense.

If it's not AR'able, it can't be very sexual.
That's scary logic. I translate that statement to read; 'if it is not against our rules then it is not offensive.'

Linden Lab deemed penis' out in the public as ARable in mature parcels. In Zindra they seem to not be ARable. Does this now make it ok for child avatars to go to parcels that have large penis sculptures on the lawn? Again, this is where we split becaus eof personal reasons. I think it is quite offensive for someone to portray a small child in that situation and you geel as long as there is no sex it is ok. I believe if a blogger can incite this much conversation when a child AV enters Zindra and s photographed next to a penis avatar - that allowing the child avatars to move through out Zindra - with excuses for every adult content they come in contact with - is nto going to go over well outside of SL.
Linden Lab already caved once to the internet busybodies. Waiting for pictures of small children skipping through adult Zindra past BDSM Castles, large penis sculptures and resting in the lobbies of brothels until they react is not a proactive plan.

SIDE NOTE: I was AFK in Mosh next to the penis' some tourists came through. One asked where he could get one of te houses there in ZIndra. His friend responded; 'what do you need a house for when you can have sex right out in the open in Zindra?"
This is the monster LL created with their irresponsible adult content ad campaign.
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Airt Pexington
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07-02-2009 19:16
From: Kokoro Fasching
So if the Daddy and the Daughter are both over 18, it is wrong? Who are you to say what is wrong for adults to do?
The law usually. Its called incest. But then SL is just a fantasy playground yeah! its not reeeeeaallll !!!!, where you can do whatever turns you on whereever and whenever you liike? Yeah! Nah! Not anymore its not, LL are putting the mockers on that. Just like the rest of the mainstream internet providers have done already. Welcome to the real world I suppose.
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07-02-2009 19:18
From: Argent Stonecutter
When and where did that happen? Was it after the adfarmer ban was extended to non-adcut parcels? After that the restrictions on what you could advertise for sale changed significantly, but people with the same content without advertising were unmolested... even if it was outside.
No, Argent you can't make everything go away. This had nothing to do with adfarminmg. Linden Lab does not allow pictures of penis outside builds in mature land. But, as we noticed today, it is allowed in Zindra.
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Milla Janick
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07-02-2009 19:27
From: Lias Leandros
That's scary logic. I translate that statement to read; 'if it is not against our rules then it is not offensive.'

Linden Lab deemed penis' out in the public as ARable in mature parcels. In Zindra they seem to not be ARable.

The penis is not what would be the subject of the AR, the child avatar in proximity to it would be.

If you believe a child avatar is in unacceptable proximity to sexual content, an AR is in order, isn't it? Considering the low threshold for AR'ability of child avatars and sexual content, if you don't believe it rises to the level of being AR'able, I have to question how offensive it actually is.
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Caitlyn Clawtooth
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07-02-2009 19:28
From: Lias Leandros
SIDE NOTE: I was AFK in Mosh next to the penis' some tourists came through. One asked where he could get one of te houses there in ZIndra. His friend responded; 'what do you need a house for when you can have sex right out in the open in Zindra?"


SIDE NOTE: LL has stated the TOS still applies, no matter what your tourist said. That means outdoor sex is ARable. Even on Zindra.
Lias Leandros
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07-02-2009 19:28
From: Lias Leandros
Thank you for changing into an adult Avatar to enter the adult parcel in Zindra - even though there is no adult content inside the build (except the large penis outside). If more child avatar people were more sensitive to the concerns stated here and in several other threads this would have been a non-issue some time ago. Linden Lab gives this 'community' more credit than they deserve. LL assumed because we should know right from wrong that we will do the right thing. We now see that people can rationalize away any act when hiding behind a avatar.

From: Caitlyn Clawtooth
Oh, I did not change for you or for anyone else. I just happened to be logged in with another character who was wearing an adult AV at the time (I am always a kid, she flips between kid and adult).
BTW, I never said I entered the parcel, I went to the sim it is in. Do you like putting words in people's mouths?

From: Caitlyn Clawtooth
I just popped by Zindra as an adult character. Am still laughing at those sculpties in Mosh.
OK, so you do not want kudos for going to see the penis in Zindra as an adult avatar. So be it.
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23rdDjin Negulesco
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07-02-2009 19:28
From: Lias Leandros
No, Argent you can't make everything go away. This had nothing to do with adfarminmg. Linden Lab does not allow pictures of penis outside builds in mature land. But, as we noticed today, it is allowed in Zindra.


so AR it and find out if it's actually allowed or not.
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07-02-2009 19:35
From: Milla Janick
The penis is not what would be the subject of the AR, the child avatar in proximity to it would be.
Due to my own sensitivities and those of the internet watchdog groups and media bloggers. LL wishes to ignore it until it blows up in their face. They want the pedo rule they put in place to prove to the world that they care how children are depicted in SL. I am quite certain (from this mini child avatar scandal here) that LL's choice of action will not end well.
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If you believe a child avatar is in unacceptable proximity to sexual content, an AR is in order, isn't it? Considering the low threshold for AR'ability of child avatars and sexual content, if you don't believe it rises to the level of being AR'able, I have to question how offensive it actually is.
You seem to be immune to societal norms.
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07-02-2009 19:36
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so AR it and find out if it's actually allowed or not.
Well a few folks in another thread were questioning if the Penis sculptures were allowed there in Zindra. I think a few of them are challenging that now. We shall see.
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07-02-2009 19:36
From: Lias Leandros
OK, so you do not want kudos for going to see the penis in Zindra as an adult avatar. So be it.

Umm? Why would I want kudos for knowing how to teleport somewhere?
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07-02-2009 19:37
From: Caitlyn Clawtooth
Umm? Why would I want kudos for knowing how to teleport somewhere?
Caitlyn has a big brain:-)
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Milla Janick
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07-02-2009 19:41
From: Lias Leandros
You seem to be immune to societal norms.

Huh? I'm telling you to file an AR if you believe it's inappropriate.

The place is full of pornographic photos now, so the sloppy floppy dongs are probably irrelevant.
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07-02-2009 19:41
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The law usually. Its called incest. But then SL is just a fantasy playground yeah! its not reeeeeaallll !!!!, where you can do whatever turns you on whereever and whenever you liike? Yeah! Nah! Not anymore its not, LL are putting the mockers on that. Just like the rest of the mainstream internet providers have done already. Welcome to the real world I suppose.
Agreed.
People, see what Airt wrote? wake up and smell the coffee.
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07-02-2009 19:42
From: Milla Janick
Huh? I'm telling you to AR it if you believe it's inappropriate.

The place is full of pornographic photos now, so the sloppy floppy dongs are probably irrelevant.
Milla, move away from the penis.
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07-02-2009 19:52
From: Lias Leandros
Argent, I keep saying it is not an ARable offense under the current restrictions under the CS. This thread is about that. The OP asks why Linden Lab is allowing child avatars onto such parcels.
That's answered in the blog.... (^_^)

"Are child avatars allowed on Adult land? Child avatars are allowed on adult land as long as they are account verified like any other Resident. Those choosing to represent themselves with a child avatar do not represent a minor as the account holder. Not all adult land is going to be hosting adult content either. There is plenty of protected land on Zindra that will technically be adult but safe in terms of content. This however does not change any prior policies regarding child avatars. Sexual ageplay is not allowed anywhere on the grid, regardless of rating."

And, to pull it out to make it easier to read... (^_^)

***** There is plenty of protected land on Zindra that will technically be adult but safe in terms of content. *****

And, to narrow it down, just in case you missed it.... (^_^)

***** adult but safe in terms of content *****

So, it's okay because (Adult) doesn't mean that the continent will be 100% sex. Documented from the beginning and made quite clear. Unlike the definition of "private content" in (Mature) land. (^_^)y
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07-02-2009 20:01
All this talk about children and penises.... Well.... Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manneken_Pis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Manneken_Pis_2009.JPG

A depiction of a child around a penis... Or, wait, a depiction of a child with a penis. AHA! It's a bronze statue of a child and his penis!!!! And, he's using it too!!!! XD

My grandma used to have a replica of the little bugger on our front lawn. =^-^=
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07-02-2009 20:03
From: Lias Leandros
No, Argent you can't make everything go away. This had nothing to do with adfarminmg.
If it was in the past few months, it absolutely did.
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Linden Lab does not allow pictures of penis outside builds in mature land.
Up until this month public sex balls out in the open and in use in mature land was AR-proof, but for the past several months ANY sexual advertisement has been AR-bait.
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-02-2009 20:06
From: Lias Leandros
That's scary logic. I translate that statement to read; 'if it is not against our rules then it is not offensive.'
Your translator is broken.

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His friend responded; 'what do you need a house for when you can have sex right out in the open in Zindra?"
And the problem with that is what?
From: someone
This is the monster LL created with their irresponsible adult content ad campaign.
You created it as well, with your sex cafe in Bear.
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