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Lias Leandros
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07-07-2009 13:37
From: Milla Janick
How is residents who use child avatars limiting their activities in Zindra to parcels without sexual content not co-existing?
We pointed out that there is no way to identify the sexual content parcels before you actually are in them. So to avoid them would be impossible.
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If it turns out there are no such parcels in Zindra, Child avatars will be effectively banned from Zindra outside Linden owned parcels under current rules. If there are such parcels in Zindra, who cares if they go there?
I mentioned child avatar voyeurism as a nasty little issue. Standing on a Linden Road in full view of Adult Sexualized content makes that child avatar technically legally not engaging in Adult sexual content. But it a inappropriate depiction of a child.
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07-07-2009 13:39
From: Lias Leandros
You have made a point of saying you are in an adult avatar while exploring Zindra several times.
Yes. But, I did not "change" into it as you have stated... Again... Adding YOUR words to MY statements to support your lies. I have been making a point to say I'm using my adult avatar, because, before I did you were already accusing me of going as a kid. My words are in response to your false accusations. Nothing more, nothing less.

Lias. You have manipulated other peoples' words here in this forum over and over again to fit your lies. And, you have been called on each occasion with no response from you. No lessons learned?
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07-07-2009 13:41
From: Milla Janick
How is residents who use child avatars limiting their activities in Zindra to parcels without sexual content not co-existing?

If it turns out there are no such parcels in Zindra, Child avatars will be effectively banned from Zindra outside Linden owned parcels under current rules. If there are such parcels in Zindra, who cares if they go there?
And this is the real point.
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07-07-2009 13:42
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Yes. But, I did not "change" into it as you have stated... Again... Adding YOUR words to MY statements to support your lies.
You said you went to SL6B as a child. You had to change to goto Zindra after SL6B, silly.
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I have been making a point to say I'm using my adult avatar, because, before I did you were already accusing me of going as a kid. My words are in response to your false accusations. Nothing more, nothing less.
Well, this is where the confusion comes in. You say you can 'legally' (no mention of morally) go to Zindra as a child - but you make a point of not doing so.
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07-07-2009 13:42
From: Lias Leandros
We pointed out that there is no way to identify the sexual content parcels before you actually are in them.
And that argument has been comprehensively refuted.
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07-07-2009 13:43
From: Lias Leandros
We pointed out that there is no way to identify the sexual content parcels before you actually are in them.
And that argument has been comprehensively refuted.
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Well, this is where the confusion comes in. You say you can 'legally' (no mention of morally) go to Zindra as a child - but you make a point of not doing so.
That's because, unlike you, she understands common courtesy. Only you would make that out to be something nefarious.
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07-07-2009 13:51
From: Lias Leandros
That does not make any sense. The migration to Zindra lasted one day - we cannot start moving in again until tommorow. It will take at least 60 days to get over 2000 Adult content business moved to Zindra. But do recall there was a small problem on day one that involved child avatars - and here we are on page 64 - because it is a non-issue, right?
There was no problem on day one. The problem started on day 2 when one laughable blogger decided to flip out over seeing PG avatars in a PG event on Adult land while one person decided to introduce some Mature humor into the event.
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Will that effort include you not posting in it anymore?
As long as you're continue to lie, I'm allowed to continue to show your lies for what they are.
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But, of course, silence what you do not want heard. I was unhappy about the abortion thread and I walked away. They can talk all they want but I am done with it. You obviously need to be done with it - but to try to silence the discussion shows your child avatar apologists agenda.
No. I do not want silence. What I see in the TOS/CS/Blog is clarity over the subject of child avatars and I will defend the documents as they stand. What I would like to see stopped are the slanderous and defaming lies and spin you're placing on just about everyone's words here in this thread. Your refusal to read posts you're quoting and subsequent spin and lies based on what few words you may have absorbed.

From the beginning, I expected someone to offer up a FUD campaign in regards to Zindra. Now that I've seen it, all I can do is respond to it with facts, truth, and common sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_fear

As a result, you alone have attacked me personally using my avatar and my personal identity. Such tactics show how weak your argument is and your lack of a bandwagon of followers should be an indicator of an even deeper truth.

Lias. You have manipulated other peoples' words here in this forum over and over again to fit your lies. And, you have been called on each occasion with no response from you. No lessons learned?
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Lias Leandros
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07-07-2009 13:58
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
There was no problem on day one. The problem started on day 2 when one laughable blogger decided to flip out over seeing PG avatars in a PG event on Adult land
Well at least you can acknowledge the issue (somewhat).
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What I see in the TOS/CS/Blog is clarity over the subject of child avatars and I will defend the documents as they stand.
And I, the OP , the infamous blogger and a few more SL residents (and some of the same people that forced LL to create sanctions against child avatars in the first place) will push for child avatars to be not allowed in the adult content of Zindra. It is not necessary and inappropriate.
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What I would like to see stopped are the slanderous and defaming lies and spin you're placing on just about everyone's words here in this thread. Your refusal to read posts you're quoting and subsequent spin and lies based on what few words you may have absorbed.
Ditto, sweety.
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As a result, you alone have attacked me personally using my avatar and my personal identity. Such tactics show how weak your argument is and your lack of a bandwagon of followers should be an indicator of an even deeper truth.
This from the woman that attacked my 'lumpy legs' and went searching for copyright infringements in Zindra. Hypocrite much.
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07-07-2009 14:01
From: Lias Leandros
You said you went to SL6B as a child. You had to change to goto Zindra after SL6B, silly.
Well, this is where the confusion comes in. You say you can 'legally' (no mention of morally) go to Zindra as a child - but you make a point of not doing so.
I didn't have to do anything. I chose to. My visit to SL6B and Zindra are unrelated events that didn't even occur on the same day and you're adding spin and words into my statements again.

There is no confusion. I do what I choose to do. I maintain a number of main avatars that I can wear when I please. I use my adult avatar most of the time. I happened to be in it while I was visiting Zindra. Nothing more, nothing less. When I intend on entering private parcels in Zindra, I will be sure to verify the locations ahead of time and be sure that I'm in my adult avatar when necessary. When it's not necessary, I won't go out of my way if I'm not already in it.

I chuckle at the irony of someone speaking out for the preservation of sex clubs mentioning morals. You really think online sex is moral? Sure, you can legally cyber strip for tips, no mention of morality.

I make no claim to morals. It's called being honest. I've been immoral since the first day I popped my dad's copy of Debbie Does Dallas in the Laserdisc player.

Lias. You have manipulated other peoples' words here in this forum over and over again to fit your lies. And, you have been called on each occasion with no response from you. No lessons learned?
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07-07-2009 14:04
From: Lias Leandros
We pointed out that there is no way to identify the sexual content parcels before you actually are in them. So to avoid them would be impossible.

I don't have any trouble figuring out where teh sexxors is.

Parcel descriptions are a pretty good indicator.
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07-07-2009 14:08
From: Lias Leandros
Well at least you can acknowledge the issue (somewhat).And I, the OP , the infamous blogger and a few more SL residents (and some of the same people that forced LL to create sanctions against child avatars in the first place) will push for child avatars to be not allowed in the adult content of Zindra. It is not necessary and inappropriate.
Ditto, sweety.
This from the woman that attacked my 'lumpy legs' and went searching for copyright infringements in Zindra. Hypocrite much.
I did not attack your lumpy legs. I just stated that I was offended by them. Just the facts, ma'am.

And, I wasn't searching for copyright infringements, they were staring at me right in the eye. You see? I been to the sourced sites first. When I stepped into the build, I said to myself "I knew these pictures from somewhere else! HA!"

So, no lies. Without lies or double ended statements, the terms of hypocrisy aren't met. But, while you are accusing me of exposing children to hentai and committing many other actions that never existed, you are the one being the liar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy

Lias. You have manipulated other peoples' words here in this forum over and over again to fit your lies. And, you have been called on each occasion with no response from you. No lessons learned?
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Lias Leandros
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07-07-2009 14:09
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
I didn't have to do anything. I chose to. My visit to SL6B and Zindra are unrelated events that didn't even occur on the same day and you're adding spin and words into my statements again.
Immy, you still had to change the avatar at some point from a child at SL6B to a 'short adult' when visiting Zindra.
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I happened to be in it while I was visiting Zindra. Nothing more, nothing less.
Then why mention the fact three times?
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When I intend on entering private parcels in Zindra, I will be sure to verify the locations ahead of time and be sure that I'm in my adult avatar when necessary. When it's not necessary, I won't go out of my way if I'm not already in it.
That is a change in your stance. If we reach one child apologist - the keystrokes are worth it.
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I make no claim to morals. It's called being honest. I've been immoral since the first day I popped my dad's copy of Debbie Does Dallas in the Laserdisc player.
Linden Lab's writings on the child avatar sanctions give you exact guidelines but they also send a message- a message you refuse to hear. That message being that depicting children in inappropriate situations is frowned upon. So do not do it. And I guess it takes an immoral person to depict children in the manner that you do. So such arguments fall on deaf ears.
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07-07-2009 14:14
From: Lias Leandros
I am afraid you missed it Immy - and have missed it for a very long time. I posted your own statement and you still call them lies - whatever.


What she said matched what was posted. What you said did not. Simple to see which set of statements matched the original. Are you the sole person who can not see it?

Okay, take a simple, non-emotional fact from the story. Her post used the word 'manga'. Your restating it said 'hentai'. Simple question .... are those two words the same?
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07-07-2009 14:17
From: Milla Janick
I don't have any trouble figuring out where teh sexxors is.

Parcel descriptions are a pretty good indicator.
I agree Milla. But the child avatar apoligists then said that when 'exploring' and flying around a Sim people do not usually check the parcel description before entering. And that is probably true. that is why no one needs to wear a child avatar while blindly 'exploring' the Adult Continent of Zindra because of the large amount of Adult Content pushed into that area.
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07-07-2009 14:17
From: Lias Leandros
Child avatars feel they have the right to RP in any environment that will not get them balled from SL - irregardless of how it effects everyone else.


Just curious. Have you ever had any dealings with kids in RL?

The very LAST thing you do with kids when you do not want them to do something is let them know you would be very annoyed if they did it.
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07-07-2009 14:18
From: Lias Leandros
Immy, you still had to change the avatar at some point from a child at SL6B to a 'short adult' when visiting Zindra.
Well, of course. That doesn't make them related events
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Then why mention the fact three times?
Why accuse me of arriving in a child avatar when I wasn't?
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That is a change in your stance. If we reach one child apologist - the keystrokes are worth it.
No. Honestly, my real stance would make your stomach turn. But, I like SL, so I'll stick with the TOS/CS as is.
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Linden Lab's writings on the child avatar sanctions give you exact guidelines but they also send a message- a message you refuse to hear. That message being that depicting children in inappropriate situations is frowned upon. So do not do it. And I guess it takes a immoral person to depict children in the manner that you do. So such arguments fall on deaf ears.
Rules and guidelines are just that. There are no hypnotic messages coming out of the TOS. You speak of being frowned upon? ALL online sex is frowned upon. There are a number of threads on the subject. People talking about how they're embarrassed to talk to their friends about being on Second Life.

About your concept of rules containing messages: The law about speeding in your car says "don't drive over the numeric limit." If you want to read into the message, you could reduce it to "don't drive" because social decency says that cars are polluting and destroying the world. Some extreme environmentalists would say that's a perfectly valid message being conveyed in order to support their agenda. So, in parallel, your extreme claim of a message is just another example of you inserting words and meanings that don't exist but support your own individual agenda on the subject.
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07-07-2009 14:19
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Okay, take a simple, non-emotional fact from the story. Her post used the word 'manga'. Your restating it said 'hentai'. Simple question .... are those two words the same?

From: Wiki
Hentai (変態 or へんたい?) Hentai.ogg listen (help·info) is a Japanese word that, in the West, is used when referring to sexually explicit or pornographic comics and animation, particularly Japanese anime, manga and computer games (see Japanese pornography)
Seems they are the same according to the wiki.
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07-07-2009 14:22
From: Lias Leandros
Seems they are the same according to the wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga

Sorry to burst your bubble. =^-^=

Manga (in kanji 漫画; in hiragana まんが; in katakana マンガ?, Manga.ogg listen (help·info)) (English: /ˈmɑːŋɡə/) consist of comics and print cartoons (sometimes also called komikku コミック​), in the Japanese language and conforming to the style developed in Japan in the late 20th century.[1][2][3] In their modern form, manga date from shortly after World War II,[4] but they have a long, complex pre-history in earlier Japanese art.[5][6][7]

Hentai can be a genre contained in Manga, but, manga isn't intrinsically Hentai.

Your statement is a lot like saying DVD = Porn. Think about all those Disney DVD porn movies kids have been watching all these years.

Hentai (変態 or へんたい?) Hentai.ogg listen (help·info) is a Japanese word that, in the West, is used when referring to sexually explicit or pornographic comics and animation, particularly Japanese anime, manga and computer games (see Japanese pornography)

Computer games are porn too?

Lias. You have manipulated other peoples' words here in this forum over and over again to fit your lies. And, you have been called on each occasion with no response from you. No lessons learned?
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07-07-2009 14:23
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07-07-2009 14:23
From: Lias Leandros
Well at least you can acknowledge the issue (somewhat).And I, the OP , the infamous blogger and a few more SL residents (and some of the same people that forced LL to create sanctions against child avatars in the first place) will push for child avatars to be not allowed in the adult content of Zindra. It is not necessary and inappropriate.
Ah, you admit you're pushing this unnecessary and vindictive campaign... that it's not caused by the kid toons or their players, but by your disdain for people you don't understand.
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07-07-2009 14:24
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There are no hypnotic messages coming out of the TOS.
The words 'broadly offensive' are added to help thinking adults to make good decisions.
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You speak of being frowned upon? ALL online sex is frowned upon. There are a number of threads on the subject. People talking about how they're embarrassed to talk to their friends about being on Second Life.
Child sex scandals are also reason to be embarrassed about SL.
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About your concept of rules containing messages: The law about speeding in your car says "don't drive over the numeric limit." If you want to read into the message, you could reduce it to "don't drive" because social decency says that cars are polluting and destroying the world. Some extreme environmentalists would say that's a perfectly valid message being conveyed in order to support their agenda. So, in parallel, your extreme claim of a message is just another example of you inserting words and meanings that don't exist but support your own individual agenda on the subject.
But you only see what you cannot do before your banned. According to you - you would drive as fast as you want and not break even if the car in front of you is at a stand still. No 'safety first' no common sense or common decency.
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07-07-2009 14:24
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Then why mention the fact three times?
Because you lied about it a dozen times, at least.
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07-07-2009 14:28
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
Yes. But, I did not "change" into it as you have stated

Which she also did to me when I went to see the fuss about Mosh. The character I had online just happened to be playing an adult when I visited but there was an equal (or better) chance that I was signed on as a kid.

She seems to have conveniently ignored that I was there as a kid on opening day.
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07-07-2009 14:29
From: Lias Leandros
The words 'broadly offensive' are added to help thinking adults to make good decisions.
Online sex is broadly offensive. Talk about your club in a church one day.
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Child sex scandals are also reason to be embarrassed about SL.
"also" works, considering all extramarital sex is broadly offensive to a large collective of the world's population. Anyway, what children?
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But you only see what you cannot do before your banned. According to you - you would drive as fast as you want and not break even if the car in front of you is at a stand still. No 'safety first' no common sense or common decency.
Want to talk about my 15 year accident-free driving record now? (^_^)
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This thread has basically become a grudge match, trolling, etc type of thread and as such, i have closed it.
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