Jack - Why allow child avatars on Zindra?

Argent your high maintenance. You can't look these things up yourself.
THE MOOT POINT was the one where we analyzed how many tickets for extreme Adult sexualized content t be moved to Zindra. 700 tickets IN ONE HOUR. LL stopped moving folks in and had to spend the weekend creating more islands in the Adult continent of Zindra. At this current rate, there will be over 2,000 Adult content parcels in Zindra by the end of July. And this is the most extreme content that was eligible for the move. So we agreed that there is alot of parcels in Zindra. So a 'exploring' child avatar in Adult Zindra will - more than likely 'stumble across' a adult content parcel. And that is completely unnecessary. Do as Immu has been doing - make the effort to change to a adult avatar before teleporting to a region that asked for adult verification.
VENDETTA: I only mentioned a vendetta because another poster here assumed the Adult Content population had an vendetta against child avatars (but you were not enraged about that assumption- biased much?). But with Immy snooping around there and posting info of parcels that she feels are breaking laws in Zindra - there looks to be some resentment.
DISTURBANCE: If we went to a child avatar's playground and danced about then yes, we would be causing the disturbance. Child Avatars in the adult continent of Zindra are inappropriate and ignorance is not a defense. When celebrating the opening of an ADULT Continent - we are celebrating the fact that Linden Lab has acknowledged the ADULT Community and our world. To force the child avatar world on the adult content world is outrageous - and it was reacted to appropriately. The same way a child avatar would react if the adult community people came to their child event. I am not talking about ARing everyone - just common sense. Linden Lab notwithstanding - you all pushed the envelope too far and you got called on it - take your hand slapping and move on (away from Zindra).
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Now Argent, from now on your going to have to research the thread yourself and locate past discussions if you want to comment on them. There will be a quiz.

A child avatar acting as a VOYEUR - watching sexualized content is disgusting, highly inappropriate and involves that child avatar in sexualized content. So Child avatars wandering aimlessly around Zindra and 'mistakenly' coming across adult sexualized activity or content is unacceptable. Linden Lab needs to update the child avatar sanctions to include banning child avatars from the adult continent of Zindra. These individuals can come to Zindra in any other form no problem. Don't force your child avatar kink on the entire Adult Content population - we have been put-upon enough, thank you.

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voy‧eur
1 someone who gets sexual pleasure from secretly watching other people's sexual activities
2 someone who enjoys watching other people's private behaviour or suffering

No, that's not it, because that's not a point I brought up, and you were talking about one that I was bringing up. Try again. What point am I making that you were dismissing as a "moot point"?

You have been working pretty hard to create that impression. If you're worried about that false impression, then you need to stop encouraging it.

I am hard pressed to imagine any circumstances where, if you showed up fully dressed in a PG area and ran a dance animation, anyone would consider it "causing a disturbance".

I have, that's why I keep asking these questions, because you keep saying people have said stuff or done stuff and it doesn't appear anywhere in the thread. Like, you know, where you say that I'm bringing up a "moot point" and then when I ask you about the point I keep bringing up you still don't agree with it... so that's obviously not the point you're telling me I shouldn't bring up because it's now moot.

"child avatars on Zindra?" doesn't imply "child avatar acting as a VOYEUR".

"child avatars on Zindra?" doesn't imply "Child avatars wandering aimlessly around Zindra".

Honey, you do not have to bring up a point for it to be moot. Moot does not mean it is not valid. It means it has been discussed and we came to different conclusion there fore there is no need to go over it again.
Argent, I SAID I only mentioned it because the poster before me mentioned it. I respond to the posts as they come in and then we move on. Please keep up.
Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know's on third.
Your confusion is not my problem.
WHEN (not 'if') that child avatar 'exploring' Zindra encounters Adult sexualized content it does.
As it stands they feel they can go wherever they want in Zindra as long as they do not purposely encounter Adult Sexulaized content. But if it is a 'innocent accident' (please) then they feel they have done no harm. But of course they have.

So who is causing the most disturbance in this forum?


Okay, remove the content since their self-appointed rep is putting up all the fuss. Next issue.

Immy
You heard her, Immy. Pack up that playground.

1. You *said* I brought it up.

2. Since it's the actual subject of this thread, it's not irrelevant, therefore the only reason it wouldn't be open to debate would be if everyone agreed to it. So of course I assumed that when you said it was a moot point you had finally agreed with me.

In fact, since you don't agree, it's still the only valid subject in this thread. Your hypothetical kid toons wandering around Zindra (already against the ToS if you're correct about the eventual makeup of the continent) is irrelevant unless it actually happens.

If (not when) you can document a kid toon actively exploring areas of Zindra even potentially containing sexual content, then you might have a cause to complain. It hasn't happened yet, so it's purely hypothetical. Every kid toon we know of that's visited Zindra has done so without once being in the proximity of legitimate sexual content.

So long as they do not remain in proximity to sexual content or activity. A minor point perhaps, but one that makes a huge difference.

When exploring people mostly keep to the Linden Road because flying over private plots you hit ban lines. Are you planning on being naughty there?



Give me a break. LL was not 'celebrating', it was 'ghettoising'. Sure, they made a minimal attempt to say it was for the adult businesses benefit, but every single thing they did in this (and what insiders have told me) pointed to the fact that they were against this all the way so purposefully did it as badly as they could. Do you honestly think the mole's content is their best work given a free hand? Look at what those designers and builders have done elsewhere ... they know what works and what does not.

My adult character has been fighting this move since the beginning (and quickly saw that LL was not doing this of their own volition). While we have PG lives, she knew that doing this to ANY community would set a bad precedent for any other community in the future. Also that it was fundamentally unfair to your community: you invested time and money based on one situation and then the situation radically changed with no real justification other than obviously contrived ones.

'Legitimate', 'minor point'. Always setting it up to be a Lie or a mistake or utter nonsense.
And I believe our infamous blogger responded best to this technique

If you don't like me pointing out when you lie or post nonsense, then don't lie or post nonsense.

And you have NO room to stand on when it comes to moral and ethical behaviour. None. My objection to your vendetta is all about morals. If there is no harm, there is no foul. If you can't prove actual harm (and you can't, you can't even prove actual *incidents*) then nobody has caused any harm.

The only people involved here who have caused harm are you, your boyfriend, and Prokofy.

I will be on my roadside front lawn. Do not ride by on your tricycle wearing a child avatar.
You fought it because the mixture of Adult content and Child avatars was a comfortable arrangement for you. Now it gets a bit tougher to explain away why your wearing a child avatar in a adult verified area. That bit of envelope pushing kink is in question here now and will not be acceptable at all.

Argennt ,you have to stop yelling Liar. That is not going over well and I will eventually just ignore you. If you cannot stay objective, mature and polite - it would be silly for me to keep talking to you.
The harm is to the social fabric (ways of life). You and your ilk rip a huge hole in it when you depict children in a continent advertised as the Adult Content place of Second Life. You paint us all with the same brush of inappropriateness as you all are painted with. This must be avoided at all costs.

I guess you have never dealt with RL kids or you would know the LAST thing you do is say 'do not do whatever'. Keep up with statements like that and you will end up with a grid-wide parade. Yes, kids would be in it, but I am guessing a lot of adults and other avatars would ride tricycles too to point out they will not stand for your spewings.




*sigh* Whatever Lias. Congrats, you are now causing my adult character to have serious doubts about fighting for your rights the past few months.

Then stop lying. Oh, I've gone "hmmm, maybe I shouldn't complain about Lias lies" before, and let them pass, but you keep doing it, you don't care who sees your lying, so long as nobody actually rubs your nose in it. So, you don't like it, stop lying.

Go ahead, put me on ignore, that won't keep other people from seeing what I post.

I have no ilk here, and I'm defending the social fabric from your vendetta.

"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then... they came for me... And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

I'm speaking up now, before you turn your hate towards the next target. Funny animals obviously piss you off, that was perfectly clear when you addressed me as vermin in Mosh, so you'll get to me eventually. Why should I wait for you to trash kid toons, and nudists, and whatever else offends your delicate senses first?

I don't depict children.
Let me get this straight. You're outright accusing me of simulated pedophilia?

The war in Zindra?
Double agent

Done with you.

LOL .... the perfect image as she was just writing 'ways of life' while you said that.

Note to self: the next time tempted to do something not in your best interest, don't. -Cait

Don't let Lias fool you into thinking that everyone who's been forced to settle for Zindra are part of her "ilk". There's plenty of people worth fighting for.

Yes, my adult met some good ones during that time. People I never would have met otherwise because we travel in completely different social circles.

I think we need to stay away from touchy subjects like this. They need to think of it as they would an animated movie playing in public with this kind of stuff happening. Anyone can see it!

Well we in SL may stick our heads in the sand - but the same powers-that-be that forced the child avatar sanctions of 2007 and now Zindra are watching. If we cannot self-control the child avatar sex issues they will happily do it for us.

/me points out that a long time ago everyone gave up on trying to convince Lias. Now it is about letting people not familiar with the issue see how rabid the anti-kid avatar folks can be when presented with a coherent rebuttal.

Coherent rebuttals are what conversations and civilized debates are made of Cait. Clouding the issue with phrases like 'anti-kid avatar' tries to martyr people that are not martyrs or put-upon. These are adults that knowingly do what they do and refuse to make any changes in their behavior for the sanctity of the community. That is why they had sanctions forced on them in the first place.