Jack - Why allow child avatars on Zindra?

According to you child avatar apologists it would be. But you all are immune to social norms.

I'm pretty sure you're the one who suggested prim children were okay in Adult regions because prims can't roleplay.

Now now, there's no ilk here.

Millia you concluded that such a placement of a child statue would be just dandy because your immune to what most consider common decency. And that is what LL's current policy about child avatars is about and nothing else.

We now know (thanks to Immy) that Right now for the adult continent of Zindra, the rules on visible mature/adult content are missing. The clarifications over private, public, visible, and concealed content are all missing from the documents given to us so far.

If Linden Lab is paying attention - and they want to cover their *ss - they will take this opportunity to write the child avatars out of Zondra. Any Linden Lawyer seeing this exchange could conclude that the child avatar apologists have every intention of pushing the envelope into the spectrum of bad taste and a little bit into child pornography if allowed free reign in Zindra. They can also see by the extreme content and public activities in Zindra that child avatars and Zindra will not mix at all.

I asked a question.

I dunno... I think the prim child to child avatar analogy is a good one to think about with respect to this discussion. If someone were to make and use an animation that simulated sex with a prim child, it would be disgusting and dealt with via the existing rules against simulating child sex and the persons involved would be banned. Does that then make all owners of prim children pedophiles? Of course not. Should all people with attached prim children be prevented from traveling to Zindra? Of course not. Does anyone who is reasonable care if someone walks by a brothel or a giant penis while carrying a prim child? Nope.
It's the exact same thing with child avatars. Unless they are engaged in something that is against the rules they should be free to do what they want.

It's not a nonsense question. I think it is insightful. Not that you care.

When a prim baby causes an international pedo scandal I am sure LL will give them the attention they deserve. Child avatars have shown their skill in getting involved in innapropriate situations - thus the sanctions against child avatars. And, hopefully, more sanctions to come to keep the put-upon adult content providers from being included in the next SL child avatar sexcapade.

Wait a minute before you quote "international scandals" again.

You are talking about glory hounds: "news" places akin to faux news and the national enquirer. Politicos who knew crying "won't someone think of the chilun!" would get votes in their base. Essentially, people who did not really care about the issues or the facts, just entities that wanted to get power (readers, votes, etc) in their field.

Or are you one of these entities? If so, why are we bothering to even talk to you?

OK.
Yes.
I don't know. Perhaps you desperately need child avatars to have access to adult sexual content in Second Life - to go 'exploring' in Zindra and 'mistakenly' run into such content and be completely innocent of the mishap.

The scandal was two years ago, and Linden Lab has successfully dealt with it.

The current row is nothing more than a fabricated incident to give a few people an opportunity to exercise their hatred of child avatars. Linden Lab has wisely given the issue the consideration it deserves.

Child avatars in adult regions are not a problem, if they are in regions with sexual content, the current rules deal with that. That is all there is.

Millia, another place was closed down because of child avatar pedo activity just last month. One person involved in spying on these places gave me a notecard of the places she had turned into LL and the results of her ARs. This is ongoing. As long as we have child avatars on the grid we will have simulated pedophilia.
Initial consideration met with the reality of the situation that is being developed. Linden Lab likes to poo hoo things away until they reach critical mass (adfarming) and then come to their senses and make the necessary sanctions for the good of the overall community.
Obviously not - since they can now 'accidentally' enter these places. Why setup to have these sexual content accidents while RPing as a child?

The tools and policies to deal with it are in place.

I am not willing to sacrifice freedoms to satisfy the perseonal vendetta of a few residents.

If there is some horrible problem of child avatars invading Zindra, I am willing to revisit the issue in the future. That is not the case now, so as far as I am concerned, for the time being, it is over.

So a place breaking the rules was closed down, showing that the rules are in place and will be acted upon.



They could always accidentally enter these places, you've been told this several times. You really want to be careful what you wish for Lias, Zindra is likely to be awash with copyrighted pornogrpaphy, keep pushing those buttons and trying to fake situations and create trouble where it does not need to exist and Zindra will be snapped off the grid and all adult activities with it.

How about a child's penis? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manneken_Pis (^_^)

Actually. My exposure to the lack of information extends to Mature land as well. Don't put my words through your Zindra filter. (^_^)

It already is. That now infamous penis hall infonode is loaded with copyrighted images. Most of which I've seen sourced from sites that maintain copyright on the images they host. One of which hosted on a site that I know to have been shut down because the site's users started uploading child porn. (^_^)

So, without kid avatars in place, the "adults" in Zindra are already bringing a small degree of separation from child porn into the content depicted there. (>_<

And, of course, I was *OBVIOUSLY* masquerading as an adult avatar with my 5'1" stature, B-cup breasts, and an age claim of 18 years old in my profile when I visited to check it out. I guess I can't fool anyone. (=_=)

The policies would be useless unless these people went undercover and ilfiltratted these groups on their own. As I said, as long as there are child avatars on the grid there will be RP depictions of pedophilia.
I am willing to have effective sanctions put in place so that the child avatars cannot use their personal vendetta against the Adult content providers to make Zindra apart of their sordid child sex scandals.
OK, I'll keep you informed.

As long as there are adult avatars on the grid, there will be RP depictions of pedophilia. There is 100% text based RP, you know? Want sanctions on IMs? (=_=)

You didn't answer my question. Why not purge extreme content from SL? Wouldn't that solve your problem even more efficiently? If two things don't mix, why not remove the part that goes against "common decency"? Kids are not against "common decency", "public activities" are, at least for "most people" (your words).

(No this is not seriously my opinion. Just playing devil's advocate. I am totally fine with "extreme content" stuff in Zindra.)

LL concentrates on the party causing the disturbance. The child avatars are the ones that cause such despicably bad press and force LL to put RL sanctions on a avatar type.
I Agree. Kids in the Adult Continent of Zindra do not mix with the mostly sexualized content there - remove the kids from the 'mix' of Zindra and problem solved. What I have been saying since page one.

The biggest disturbances and bad press incidents were caused by teh sex in SL. If cleaning up the grid is your intent, removing ALL the sex would be so much more efficient.



You didn't read what I wrote. Why not purge the content that is "against common decency for most people" (your words), like public orgies?

This time, that's you and your boyfriend in the cock suit.

Say *what*? There's no evidence, forged or not, of any such vendetta.

Oh, while I'm here, can you please explain what "moot point" you were talking about earlier?

The biggest sex scandal in the history of Second Life was the international pedophilia scandal that involved child avatars.
And the content that is against common decency for most people (Vampires, Goreans, Lindens, Mistresses, Masters and the international press agree) Child avatars getting themselves involved in Adult content and sexual situations is the most inappropriate activity in SL. That is why the child avatar type is the ONLY avatar sanctioned by the service provider.

1. This is not about getting kid toons involved in sexual situations. Kid toons in areas where there is no sexual content or situations does not cause any problems, for anyone, regardless of the region rating.

2. This: