Jack - Why allow child avatars on Zindra?
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Lias Leandros
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07-06-2009 13:06
From: Eli Schlegal I have a question. If kid avatars should not be allowed on Zindra, then should an adult man or woman that has a prim baby attached to them also not be allowed on Zindra? It's all about apearances right? Shouldn't matter if it's an avatar or some prims. Eli, I see you took the nonsense question ignored in the prim baby thread and cut and paste it here. Good for you.
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Lias Leandros
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07-06-2009 13:07
From: Imnotgoing Sideways Linden waterways are determined by parcel line. Anyone with land at the right altitude and teraforming rights can make their entire parcel Linden water. (^_^)
But, if Lias' claim is as it sounds, the event was over a Linden owned parcel, protected land, and a direct violation of the CS as it's documented. So, if this is true, her "common decency" doesn't extend to obeying documented rules that she doesn't agree with. (^_^) I do not think it was over Linden Land - just bordering it - to the point where one can build on their own parcel.
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07-06-2009 13:08
From: Lias Leandros Argent, let the humans talk Translation: "Argent, you're right, so I'm going to ignore you and try and pretend you didn't just nail me in another lie."
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Lias Leandros
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07-06-2009 13:10
From: Milla Janick Almost everything on Zindra now is within sight of some sort of protected land. Any rules would certainly address placing objects on protected land, not visibility from protected land. Well, we know no one can build on protected land. So when LL claims the protected land is PG SAFE - what does that imply? Not much if that protected land is surrounded by visible adult content.
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07-06-2009 13:14
From: Lias Leandros Well, we know no one can build on protected land. So when LL claims the protected land is PG SAFE - what does that imply? Not much if that protected land is surrounded by visible adult content. It implies that you cannot rez naughtiness or get jiggy with it on protected land.
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07-06-2009 13:15
OK, it seems I made an incorrect assumption earlier regarding the location of the dock in question where the stripping was going on. It was my belief there weren't any parcels anywhere on Zindra where anybody could own enough land below water level for an operation of this sort, with the restrictions on how much you could terraform. So I stand corrected.
Had my assumption that it was on Linden-owned land been accurate though, then what I was saying would have been absolutely right. Coming from somebody who's already advocating entrapment, it smelled a lot like that policy actually at work.
So my apologies to Lias for assuming that she and her friends were up to things that maybe they weren't.
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Lias Leandros
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07-06-2009 13:17
From: Argent Stonecutter Translation: "Argent, you're right, so I'm going to ignore you and try and pretend you didn't just nail me in another lie." It's just a waste of keystrokes to reply to you. You want me to constantly cut and paste your own posts to you and go over and over some mundane point that is not in question. From: Imnotgoing Sideways Right now, the rules on visible mature/adult content are missing. But, yeah, the clarifications over private, public, visible, and concealed content are all missing from the documents given to us so far. (>_<  From: Argent Stonecutter Or maybe you're hallucinating. From: Argent Stonecutter Translation: "Argent, you're right, so I'm going to ignore you and try and pretend you didn't just nail me in another lie." Rude comments like this give me no reason to acknowledge your presence. Try to keep it civil and on point please.
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07-06-2009 13:20
From: Lias Leandros Eli, I see you took the nonsense question ignored in the prim baby thread and cut and paste it here. Good for you. And you did almost as good of a job ignoring it here because it points out how silly your beliefs are. Some of those prim babies are way more realistic looking than the kid avatars. So... if the argument is about the image of kids in proximity to the adult continent and how that may be viewed by the media outside of SL, why would you not be concerned about prim babies on Zindra. Could it be that you just have an axe to grind with the people behind the kid avatars?
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Lias Leandros
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07-06-2009 13:21
From: RockAndRoll Michigan Had my assumption that it was on Linden-owned land been accurate though, then what I was saying would have been absolutely right. Coming from somebody who's already advocating entrapment, it smelled a lot like that policy actually at work. Linden-owned land always has build off (unless it is a sandbox). Unless Linden Lab swoops in and starts making everyone PG the outside of their parcels in Zindra - then we are going to see much more of this outdoor frolicking in the adult continent.
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07-06-2009 13:25
From: Lias Leandros It's just a waste of keystrokes to reply to you. You want me to constantly cut and paste your own posts to you and go over and over some mundane point that is not in question. So, you agree that kid toons should be allowed in Zindra when they are not thereby being depicted in proximity to sexual content? Just answer yes or no, I keep asking this in different ways and you keep dancing around the issue. If that point is no longer in question then just acknowledge it, unambiguously, without weaseling around the answer, without caveats and qualifiers and digressions and attempts to muddy the waters. From: someone Rude comments like this give me no reason to acknowledge your presence. Try to keep it civil and on point please. It's frustrating when I, as a member of the weasel family, am capable of sticking to a point over 55 pages and you, a primate, keep weaseling out of answering the same simple and critically important question every damn page.
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Lias Leandros
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07-06-2009 13:26
From: Eli Schlegal And you did almost as good of a job ignoring it here because it points out how silly your beliefs are. Some of those prim babies are way more realistic looking than the kid avatars. So... if the argument is about the image of kids in proximity to the adult continent and how that may be viewed by the media outside of SL, why would you not be concerned about prim babies on Zindra. Could it be that you just have an axe to grind with the people behind the kid avatars? Linden Lab has documented sanctions against the avatar type CHILD AVATAR - and for real documented reasons. This may be silly to you - but not to your service provider and many residents.
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Eli Schlegal
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07-06-2009 13:33
From: Lias Leandros Linden Lab has documented sanctions against the avatar type CHILD AVATAR - and for real documented reasons. This may be silly to you - but not to your service provider and many residents. I'm not questioning Linden Lab's sanctions. I'm questioning yours, which are clearly different. LL has said kid avatars can be on Zindra, just not in a situation that would depict sexual activity. One could very well assume that the same would hold true for a realistic looking object in the form of a child. You disagree with Linden Lab and believe that kid avatars should not be allowed on Zindra so I'm just wondering if you feel the same way about people with prim babies. It's a simple yes or no question.
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Lias Leandros
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07-06-2009 13:36
From: Argent Stonecutter So, you agree that kid toons should be allowed in Zindra when they are not thereby being depicted in proximity to sexual content? Just answer yes or no, I keep asking this in different ways and you keep dancing around the issue. Again, you want me to repeat. Child avatars have no reason to be in the adult continent of Zindra. The chances of them running into adult sexualized content is over 50% in Zindra (don't argue this point Argent. We have already discussed it). Why purposely adult verify, put on a child avatar and go wander around where you might encounter adult sexualized content? Now, I have said it several times - that is why you are all piling on here. Linden Lab needs to enhance the sanctions against child avatars and not allow them in Zindra AT ALL. These role players cannot role play as children in the adult continent. Just change to a adult avatar and come to the continent. Better safe than sorry, do not offend people with RP child avatar kink in Adult sexualized areas or chance us being embroiled into another international internet child avatar sex scandal.
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Lias Leandros
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07-06-2009 13:37
From: Eli Schlegal I'm not questioning Linden Lab's sanctions. I'm questioning yours, which are clearly different. LL has said kid avatars can be on Zindra, just not in a situation that would depict sexual activity. One could very well assume that the same would hold true for a realistic looking object in the form of a child. You disagree with Linden Lab and believe that kid avatars should not be allowed on Zindra so I'm just wondering if you feel the same way about people with prim babies. It's a simple yes or no question. People role playing as children should not be allowed to do so in the adult continent of Zindra. A prim cannot role play.
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07-06-2009 13:46
From: Lias Leandros People role playing as children should not be allowed to do so in the adult continent of Zindra. A prim cannot role play. What's the difference between an avatar and a prim? Not much. It's a shape with textures on it. If a prim that looks like a child isn't a child then an avatar that looks like a child isn't a child. Is it the roleplaying that bothers you? The baby talk? I can understand that. It makes my skin crawl too. Is it ok with you if a child shaped avatar comes to Zindra, but doesn't talk or otherwise role play like a child? I suspect not. It's the child like apearance that you are supposedly against. Therefore, I think you need to ad prim children to your agenda.
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07-06-2009 13:48
From: Lias Leandros Again, you want me to repeat. Child avatars have no reason to be in the adult continent of Zindra. Then it's not a moot point, so why did you claim it was a moot point? From: someone The chances of them running into adult sexualized content is over 50% in Zindra (don't argue this point Argent. We have already discussed it). Yes, and I comprehensively disproved your assertions multiple times. From: someone Why purposely adult verify, put on a child avatar and go wander around where you might encounter adult sexualized content? That's not the point. The point is "can an adult player using a kid toon visit Zindra without being in proximity to sexual content". The answer is "yes, absolutely, under any conceivable circumstances, it will be possible to create a place for kid toons in any parcel in Zindra". ANY parcel. Even one with giant penis sculptures and tentacle porn all over the ground. Just put your PG-rated content in a skybox in an opaque megaprim sphere. Proof by construction. You can't refute it. All you can do is try and shut me up by repeating the same false claims you've been repeating for 55 pages. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat a false statement, it's still false.
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Lias Leandros
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07-06-2009 13:52
Put Adult Sexualized content in a skybox so people can rp as children in the adult continent of Zindra. Problem solved.
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07-06-2009 13:54
From: Lias Leandros Put Adult Sexualized content in a skybox so people can rp as children in the adult continent of Zindra. Problem solved. Huh? Argent said "Just put your PG-rated content in a skybox in an opaque megaprim sphere." Why are you talking about putting adult content in a skybox?
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Lias Leandros
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07-06-2009 13:57
What happens when the neighbors put their sex skybox adjacent to the child avatar skybox?
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07-06-2009 13:58
From: Lias Leandros What happens when the neighbors put their sex skybox adjacent to the child avatar skybox? I dunno... Why would they do that? Because they have an axe to grind?
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07-06-2009 14:11
From: Lias Leandros What happens when the neighbors put their sex skybox adjacent to the child avatar skybox? Assuming the absolute worst case, that there's tentacle porn skyboxes every forty or fifty meters from ground level to 4096 meters in the sky (which is already a pretty extreme assumption) so you can't move your skybox... you're in an opaque megaprim sphere. You can't see them, they can't see you. There's STILL no kids being depicted in proximity to sexual content.
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07-06-2009 14:12
From: Lias Leandros I do not think it was over Linden Land - just bordering it - to the point where one can build on their own parcel. Which is not what you said: "I was at a 4th of July party in Zindra on a dock owned by a escort club. We were on Linden Water with naked strippers on poles."
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07-06-2009 14:15
From: Lias Leandros we are going to see much more of this outdoor frolicking in the adult continent. We are also going to see a lot of ARs directed at your ilk if you do so. 
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Milla Janick
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07-06-2009 14:20
From: Lias Leandros People role playing as children should not be allowed to do so in the adult continent of Zindra. A prim cannot role play. So, if one were to build a statue of a child avatar, and place it in the Welcome Center doorway between the penises, that would be okay?
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07-06-2009 14:21
Hmmm. Scripted prim cyberkid sex toys. I don't think that would last.
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