Jack - Why allow child avatars on Zindra?

You do not mind sanctioning depictions like this but you do not want depictions of child avatars in adult settings sanctioned. Because my description of a concentration camp broadly offends you it is OK for LL to ban it.
Guess what? It takes more than me to argue. The merchants of Zindra can send their time campaigning to their service provider to keep the adult continent of Zindra safe from outside corn and sanctions. The best way to do that is not allow child avatars to embroil us in yet another sordid international sex scandal. Linden Lab needs to let the public know that the Adult content providers of Zindra will not be participating in the child avatar kink. The current sanctions do not keep these people away while weaing child avatars - there fore we need more sanctions in place.

Because child avatars are the only avatars in SL sanctioned by Linden Lab. The only avatar type that HAD to be told what they can and cannot do. The only avatar typed embroiled in an international sex scandal. Since the current sanctions aren't enough for you all to contain your kink and keep it off of Adult parcels in Zindra (under the guise of 'exploring') then new sanctions need to be put in place.

...says someone that runs a sex café and owns land at Zindra. LOL.

You are saying that kid avatars and sexual content don't go together. So one of the two should be removed. Why not remove the sexual content? Problem solved. I would't mind. Would you? I have never owned any land or rezzed object that goes beyond PG. I do not have "kinks" in SL, I don't even have a sex bed in my house.

There are not enough G Team members to cover all of the adfarmers amd gambling - yet LL still banned them outright.
Already child avatars do not have the same freedoms as every other avatar on the grid. And you accept that with no complaint. So why the complaining that you cannot go to where the sex will be on the grid? And you can go - Just not as a child avatar. Yet you all insist that you need to go as a child to Zindra.

Nowhere did I say your description of a concentration camp is broadly offensive to me. It is personally offensive and insulting to me to suggest that I go campaign to allow it. I also did not say that I don't want sanctions against child avies in adult settings. They already are not allowed around sexual content.

The merchants of Zindra can clearly label the outside of their parcels(i.e. poster on a wall) as well as write in the land description "no children". THAT is the campaigning I was referring to. That will help protect individual merchants who don't have appropriate content.

There is no reason to banish someone who is age verified from an entire continent. In 3 threads, and upteen bazillion posts, no reason has been given. Those who have raised critically thought out, rational concerns were long ago drowned out by the sensationalistic cry of "international sex scandal sinks SL".

Have you ever even READ the new rules LL has set up? They say specifically that "child avatars and sexual acts" don't go together. I can't see anyone posting here to promote breaking those rules.

You seem to have a different agenda here. You are on a crusade against *ANYONE* who just happens to have a short avatar (I have a tiny one!), because all of this "ILK" must be child molestors regardless of what they really do. You try to play thought police here. And this offensive to me.

All this thread with its baseless accusations and horrible lack of basic logic reminds me of a witch trial.

Gambling had FBI getting involved. Advertising is not banned, but it has hmmmm... restrictions which do not allow adfarming tactics. The actions of the people who were involved in those activities led LL to place rules and restrictions. Thus, child avies are not the only avies with restrictions.

And really, the restriction regarding child avies and sexual content also involves adult avies. They cannot attempt to lure, or create a child porn club etc.

It is offensive that you campaign to allow the depiction of children in areas where adult content is tucked away.
Obviously not enough when they can 'explore' Zindra and bump into adult content by 'mistake'.
What is also campaigning is rallying to teh Service Provider to place those same sanctions in the TOS/CS (like the residents did to stop adfarming). And we have appropriate content. It is the child avatar in the vicinity of our content that is inappropriate.
Change avatar - not banish.
OK here is the no reason once again - (accept it or not) Role playing a child avatar in or around adult content is inappropriate and offensive. Such depictions have caused harm to everyone on the platform (in the form of a international scandal) that forced LL to put some basic restraints on that avatar type(!) Now we need more basic restrictions on the child avatar type to ensure the Zindra project is not harmed by their reckless disregard for what is considered offensive to many.
Riiiight. Why do it again? Why not learn from their mistakes? Why push the envelope for no apparent reason? Why not just change the avatar when visiting Zindra so no mistake is made? Is it because you all want the right to be in a Zindra public park as a child when a Master and his nude slaves wander in - or land in a brothel 'by mistake'? It would seem so.

You're the one "doing it again", Lias. (=_=)

Now, excuse me while I finish ARing this 14 year old on the main grid with a 6-foot long penis attached to his adult avatar. (=_=)

Child porn on the net has the FBI involved also.
Riight, the actions of the child Avatars forced LL to place restrictions on that avatar type - and with the development of Adult land now (something we just got) those restrictions need to be re-evaluated and updated to keep these child avatar people from causing yet another sex scandal.

Oh,not breaking teh rules - just wandering around Zindra and making a 'mistake' and entering a parcel that has adult sexual content on it while wearing a child avatar.
This is about human child avatars - as Linden Lab identified intheir sanctions against that avatar type.
Your agenda is showing also.

Comparing Holocaust Concentration Camps, when you have no idea what my personal connections are, to where pixelated child avatars are allowed to be... words cannot describe the offensiveness.



Linden Labs does need to clarify if nudity will be allowed on Linden Protected Lands in Zindra or not. Under their current rules, it is not allowed. If it was a Linden owned park, likely the nudity would be in violation. Kid avie there or not. If it was a privately owned park, it is up to that parcel owner to say "No kids".

It is up to the individual parcel owners to set their restrictions. Once general sales are opened, they will be available to anyone for whatever they choose to put there.

Saying that is OK for child avatars to enter Zindra and accidentally encounter adult content is beyond offensive to me. What is broadly offensive for a large number of people - or people that have the ear of policy makers is what sets policy.
In Mosh the public Linden Owned rail station is connected to and in eyesight of a parcel with two large penis sculptures and X rated porn in side. So Linden Lab is not keeping the most extreme content away from its public builds in Zindra - because Zindra's main purpose is to house Adult content.

Or upon realizing there were sex animations in the same parcel - the boy becomes a man, finishes shopping,leaves and then becomes a boy again.

What this entire circular argument we have been having has proven: No child avatar operson or the child avatar apologists are willing to give an inch. They all say they will wear their child avatars to Zindra no matter what - or until LL sanctions such actions.

This is a slippery slope whether on Zindra or anywhere else. That parcel is NEXT TO, not connected to the railway station. Once you start regulating parcels that are NEXT TO public land or public builds- that starts affecting homes too. They need to clarify what is allowed ON Zindra public land. Not NEXT TO it, or near it.

Can you show me where anything from LL says that Zindra's main purpose is to house adult content? I am asking specifically, word for word where that is listed. It is the highest rating of content allowed. But not the sole content.

The floor prims of the railroad TOUCH the floor prims of the Penis parcel.

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/04/21/update--upcoming-changes-for-adult-content

Huh? At most, the penis parcel is either crooked or overhanging. Again, it is a slippery slope to get LL involved in regulating what is near their land.

But where does it say that once general sales are opened, that you can only buy the land if you are placing porn there? Again, that is only the highest rated content, not the only content allowed.

Can see you've never run an adult venue. Banned or not, what made me throw in the towel was coming to see my fledgling place and finding someone doing some BDSM with a "kid" carrying a teddy bear - I have no doubt at all they were both adults, some doubt if the little girl was really female and absolutely zero desire to have child avatars in sex places REGARDLESS of the age of the operator of said avatars. Wouldn't be allowed to have real children in real places and quite aside from the "protect the kiddies" angle - it puts ME off what *I* am doing. What about my SL?

Meh.

Linden Lab is the one that claimed there would be PG Safe public land in ZIndra (and that was after they claimed Zindra was for Adult content - mixed messages). I do not see how there is going to be safe PG content here when the majority of the land will be surrounded by adult content. I was at a 4th of July party in Zindra on a dock owned by a escort club. We were on Linden Water with naked strippers on poles. Sodom and Gomorrah comes to mind.
Understood. But while these children are wandering looking for this 'safe content' in Zindra - they will definitely encounter Adult (sexual) content along the way - even right out in the open adjacent to Linden Land. Why do they need to RP as small children in such a place?

And stuff like that already *is* covered as sexual ageplay violation - so how does Zindra change anything about that? And as owner of any land or venue it already *is* 100 percent your very own right to decide who you want there and who not - so how does Zindra change anything about that?

I think she was pointing out how child avatars are completely unwelcome in these adult settings. Why allow people in child avatars anywhere near the adult content in Zindra. LL needs to take a strong stance against this sort of child porn kink and add to the sanctions of child avatars and make it a CS violation for anyone to RP in Zindra as a child. Such sanctions block no ones access to Zindra at anytime.

Gee, thanks for coming around. So why all the fuss?

{if you missed it, that was a note not to quote ppl out of context}

So you admit your party was naked on Linden owned Land and/or in public? Welcome to the cornfield, please enjoy your stay.

Thanks again.

She didn't AR you, ask LL to ban you, or do anything of that nature. All she did was tell you she found it offensive. If you can't tell the difference between calling for bans and telling you that something offends you, you need to go back to remedial kindergarden.

And kid toon pixel bumping has been explicitly banned, and there's been no actual problems since then. Just fraudulent claims about some flakey protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion kid-toon conspiracy that you've been caught faking evidence for.

You mean, Mature parcels? I mean, most people aren't going to be doing their pixel bumping where there's a bunch of pervs watching from the sim next door.

That's "Mature regions" again.
The actions of a completely different group of people, encouraged by a yellow journalist's sting operation. You might as well say that adult avatars should be banned from Zindra because they're likely to be kids with fake ID. That's something that's more likely to cause problems.

And, apparently, having kid toons enter Zindra and NOT encounter sexual content because they're going to a sex-free area owned by their friend Tommy Brock is so offensive that you won't even talk about it.

Linden Labs does sanction (permit) such actions.



BAD TOUCH! NO MEANS NO!

The subject isn't "Why allow child avatars to wander around in Zindra", it's "Why allow child avatars in Zindra". They don't need to "wander around", we can all teleport.
Child avatars will be allowed in places where they won't encounter sexual content. Which means they won't be RPing in "such a place".

They are not allowed near the sexual content in Zindra (or anywhere else). They are allowed in places where they are NOT near the sexual content (in Zindra or anywhere else).