Jack - Why allow child avatars on Zindra?

I ask you why you need to go to Zindra as a child and you throw CleanFeed at me. What a smoke screen.

A parcel that is next to a road does not make it attached to protected land.

You used a blogger's post that reflected on LL's decisions based on legal concepts. I showed what legal concepts are actually in play and how they don't apply to LL's guidelines.

Linden Lab is already doing better than the legal minimum in regards to online sexuality. Mark Kirk and CleanFeed supporters want to lower the bar even more. You, in suggesting more sanctions, are doing the same thing.

Ads are classifieds Caitlyn. That is a different category. ABOUT LAND is, well, about the actual land. If you do NOT turn on ADULT in your parcel search - you will not see any land marked adult. Now, some of you say that this rating is going away - Then, better safe than sorry - we all know that the Adult Content is on Zindra (and private sims) SO do not go there wearing a child avatar. Just change the avatar when going to Zindra or any unknown private island. Better safe than sorry, no?
Is this an inconvenience for people that RP as child avatars? Yes. This is an inconvenience that they should be happy to comply with - out of common decency - but instead they rally on to make sure they can depict children in SL anywhere they please (within the TOS) and if they 'accidentally' encounter Adult content in Zindra while RPing as a child (surprise!) - they can claim ignorance.

Alright, Ms. Leandros, or should I call you Ms. McCarthy?,you're still not getting what's going on here. I'm sure you'll have a wonderfully negative response to this but hopefully maybe this will enlighten you somewhat.

This really is not about child avatars anymore, no matter how many times you try to insist that it is. This is about something totally different and more profound.

As you know, yesterday was the 233rd anniversary of the founding of the United States of America. Independence Day. Very appropriate really that this particular debate is raging so close to such an anniversary in the history of the world.

This is why. There comes a time when people in general have seen individuals, institutions, or Governments pushing too hard, too far, and being entirely too OPPRESSIVE. The response is always the same. They cry "ENOUGH!!!!!" and push back. Often times to the point of taking up arms against their opressors. Sometimes that means a war of words rather than real bullets. It's called revolution.

What we have going on here, is people who are both inside and outside of the child roleplaying community, seeing you pushing your own brand of McCarthyism here in the SL forums, and crying ENOUGH!!!!! This has nothing to do with being "child avatar apologists", "friends of Immy," or any other label you choose to throw around in order to belittle the people who don't agree with you. This is simply a matter of thinking adults who are fed up and crying enough.

ENOUGH!!!!!

No, I used the bloggers post to fully explain what a ageplayer apologist does when smoke screening about ageplaying. And then you went right ahead and did just that.

Is this to protect them from those who would set up false ARs against them? Or to limit the photo ops of those whos girlfriends get them to throw on a penis avi?

So now kid toons can't go eastward?

If the area an avatar is going to contains no sexual content, there is no reason to prevent that avatar from going there, regardless of the appearance of the avatar.

Whether there are other areas in the same region the avatar is not allowed to enter is irrelevant, unless the avatar enters them. You have been unable to come up with a single argument against that, and are now reduced to claiming that no areas that are safe for a kid toon to enter will exist.

Well, if there are no such areas, that's fine, no kid toons will be *effectively* allowed. But:

1. If that state of affairs exists, you don't need any new rules, the existing ones will be perfectly specific and unambiguous and will have the effect you want.

2. If that state of affairs does not exist, there is no harm allowing kid toons in non-sexual areas, regardless of the region rating.

That was wonderful.
I was going to look up child labor laws in the US and wave the flag some more. But yours was much better.

But, according to you, there is no way to tell IF the Zindra continent parcel they are headed for has any adult content - so why wear a child avatar when the chances are that you WILL encounter Adult content in Zindra?
The current rules do not stop child avatar people from entering a parcel IF they do not see the sexual equipment or sexual activity. Too many current loop holes that child avatars are more than willing to exploit.

Really? Are kid avatars that so far out to exploit sex clubs?

You have to love the irony of that phrase from someone insisting that Zindra will be shore-to-shore porn.

I never said that, so quit making things up. I said that you can not flag a parcel as adult, you can only flag a region as adult. I also said that the same tools you use to tell if an area contains sexual content on the mainland are still applicable on Zindra. I didn't say, at any point, that there is no way to tell.

You're making things up again. The current rules say nothing about whether the adult player can see anything or not, thay are about whether the kid toon is depicted in the presence of sexual content.

Yeah, really.
The current rules still allow for child avatars to enter Adult content parcels as long as that child avatar does not see the sexual equipment or sexual act. I say, out of common decency, people do not HAVE TO wear child avatars when wandering around Zindra. But for some odd reason, child avatar apologists do not agree.

The only exploitation has been by your cock suit wearing friend.

It'll be descent, respectable porn that no country in the would could object to or write any laws against. (^_^)

So who bought the dams and the train station? What about those sims people flipped to for sale already?

You OBVIOUSLY know nothing about kid avatars, then. (=_=)

Hi Ciaran. This 'exploit' would not have been possible if the person that was wearing the child avatar erred on the side of caution and decided not to wear a child avatar to a place known and Zindra the Adult Continent.
Yes, I know the excuse - there was no adult content there yet (well obviously not because there was a dancing penis). And then you all go further and say you do see a dancing penis as adult content. And around and around we go.

Just like dat rule that says peoples can not enter the SL sky unless they are a bird avatar? Mind refreshing my memory? I can not seem to find it ...

"[22:16] L... L.......: to keep the child avatars out we have to have impromptu Sex Hud parades through Zindra
...
[22:17] L... L.......: if you run into one of the little bastards get a picture of them next to the parade
*.*.*"

The exploitation is all one way Lias. The people stirring up the bad publicity, the people trying to undermine the platform as a whole are the people who suggest such things.

Nobody has to do anything. People who are cast into their character as a child AV also don't have to change up while they're not violating any rules. Safe content is safe content regardless of the sim rating. Kid avatars among safe content violate nothing. (=_=)

You speak of common decency as if it intrinsically means something. Define it.

To many religions, decency means that sex only occurs between a married man and woman in privacy.

To many politicians, decency means that parents don't have to take care of their kids and the internet is a valid babysitter, so it must be restricted to content they're permitted to see.

To me, decency means accepting that which is virtual to be virtual and not indicative of any harm occurring in real life.

So... common decency isn't all that common. You have your own decency. You're describing it as common. While the common people are here... Pointing out that you're not so common... Get the clue. (=_=)

No. That was protected land. Dick Cockenstein was violating the CS. Kid avatar or not. (^_^)

Immy is welcome to visit my adult land, she just needs to not shop at my adult mall, half of the sim is residential.

As Immy is over 18, if she accidentally lands in my adult mall I'll trust she will about face and not stay there.

After that wonderful expose in 2007 - I had hoped not to know anything more about child avatars. But here they are again - Child avatars and sex once again. Pushing the envelope, insisting upon entering Zindra while knowing that over 700 requests for extreme adult content will be filled to move there. So after two years, masses of ARs and LL sanctions - child avatars still insist upon rubbing up against Adult content.
If I RP as a Unicorn - I do not have to wear my unicorn AV anywhere but in the enchanted forest where my RP takes place. There is no reason these people cannot change avatars before entering Zindra to make sure they do not encounter Adult sexual content while in a child avatar. They just want to exercise their 'right' to do so - no matter if its an inappropriate depiction of children or not - or that may be the goal.