Jack - Why allow child avatars on Zindra?

Then stop undermining your own position by thinking it's appropriate to falsify situations and calling for impromptu sex parades to create false abuse reports. All you're doing there is causing damage.

The only incidents on Zindra have been where sexual content should not have been on display and people deliberately trying to cause scandal where none should exist and it isn't the child av's doing that Lias and you know it.

The ones I saw were denied for not being commercial enough.



Being off topic is not a vendetta. You called it a vendetta against adult content. Really, it is not off topic even because the larger issue is once one person, thing, lifestyle etc gets banned, then who is next? Also, misusing copyrighted images has a very real possibility on restrictions for all of us as to what we can upload etc. It could also damage adult content in general.



Do you mean the common decency that you do not show people who disagree with you when you stoop to McCarthism smear tactics? The real issue should be if LL did not respond to incidents of sexual ageplay, minors on the grid etc. They respond.

Sexual ageplay does not just restrict child avatars. It also restricts any adult avatar who would do that. Neither adult nor child avatars are allowed such depiction.

Child Avatars must have guns and mist be able to shoot these guns and they must be able to shoot these guns on the mainland - therefore they must go to Zindra. Wonderful.
And I say - if you choose to dedicate your SL time RPing as a small child - you have to make allowances. Because of the sensitive nature surrounding the human child avatar, the RL laws surrounding the safety of children and social norms held onto by most about children - common decency dictates Immy trades here automatic weapon in for a hoola hoop. If your immersed in childhood RP that is.

If Linden Labs were to not allow Child avatars on Zindra, how would that work really? And how would it keep short adult avatars from getting booted too?

SL is the land of the random proportions. Most of the time, there are the amazonian avies at 7 feet tall.

My avie is 6'1". I am 5'8" in RL. But what about smaller RL adults who reflect their actual height with their avie? Will there be one set landing point in all of Zindra? Can we then have one of those amusement park signs that says "you must be this tall" to enter? How would that be fair to short adult avies?

My RL kids don't even have kid proportions. My 8 year old is 5'0" and wears size 7 womens shoes. My 13 year old is 5'9" and wears size 13 womens shoes. There are very, very few shoes for women when they get that BIG.

Shopping for shoes for either of them is a pain as they have kid tastes but are forced to wear adult styles. The salespeople also act like size 13 for a kid is perfectly normal.

What happens then, if someone RP's as a kid, but with the much taller RL proportions that kids seem to have nowadays? If we went strictly on height as a requirement, that wouldn't be fair as taller kids could get through. Would there then be Gatekeeper Linden, who would have the crap job of having to read everybody's profiles before they could be allowed into Zindra(just to make sure nobody was RPing as a tall kid)? The economic effect on Zindra merchants would be even worse than LL policies so far.

Would adult avies then not be allowed to wear pig tails or any other "kid-ish" hairstyles? What about the merchants who sell school-girl outfits? Even though both of these can be worn by clearly adult avies? Or does this bring us back to your kink is not my kink so it shouldn't be allowed?



Your RP is not my RP, and so on and so on across the grid. This is thought policing, not true concern for adult content.

That one situation was wiped off the map/ At first Linden Lab had your attitude - "they were all adults, so what?" Then the story took on a life on it s own and LL changed their tune and made sanctions against this avatar type. But as little as possible. These sanctions do not include sexual voyeurism - especially in the Adult Continent of Zindra.

Can you use another buzzword besides "sanction"? It sounds like the frigging UN.

Social norms held except for you that is:
"Originally Posted by Lias Leandros
I am not trying to protect children."


I am lost how decency enters into the question of kid avatars having weapons, mind expanding on that?

I know quite a few kids who carry weapons. Actually, since the script in a snowball thrower is no different than in an AK47 you could even argue that most do. Especially with some of the more fun snowball thowers out there! So things like super soakers are not popular with RL kids?

I really do not follow the social activities of child avatars. I try to pretend they are not here (until they force themselves into my line of vision). Children do not need AK47s - but you already knew that.

Sex parades will happen in Zindra - this is what happens when you force people with the same likes together in one small place - they take lemons and make lemonade. The strippers danced nude at the 4th of July out on the water in Zindra. Not out of spite - but because they naturally could without sanctions.
As Immy pointed out - the Linden documents on public nudity in Zindra are not written yet. And it is obvious that not all adult sexualized content in Zindra will be taking place behind prim walls. Upon knowing that (no one said you had to accept it) Stop the child voyeurism and wear any other avatar type except a human child avatar when visiting Zindra.

It also doesn't actually mean what Lias thinks it means.

RL laws surrounding the safety of children have nothing to do with child avatars or any other fantastic depictions of underage eroticism. Particularly in the media examples I provided in the past. Media examples that are readily available in U.S. retail stores. Anyway....

Make up your bloody mind. (=_=)

You may not realize that LL banned the depiction of concentration camps from Second Life in 2006. Pedophilia as a lifestyle is also banned from Second Life. There you can see a trend. 'Who's next?", you ask? Well, from what is banned it seems to be the people that are broadly offensive and behave in total disregard of common decency.

In RL, I consider myself to be a towering monster at 6'0". My 13 year old nephew is 6'1". Lanky bugger, that. (^_^)y

You mean like in Peter Pan? Home Alone? Indian in the Cupboard? Laputa? Akira?

You mean like in Peter Pan? Home Alone? Indian in the Cupboard? Laputa? Akira?
Like the only person who so pissed the Lindens off they built a wall around an Infohub to protect it from her?

I, for one, refuse to rely on such weak firepower. (^_^)

Then it turned out that they weren't adults in RL, or at least they claimed they weren't adults, and that's when things went pear shaped.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunslinger_Girl



=^-^=

Robocop 2!

Keep thumbing your nose at social norms and common decency, Immy. Push, push push that envelope. Small children with guns, 'barely legal' kink, nude child dancing with nude men. Keep pushing, young lady. But remember to take full responsibility for the repercussions of your crusade to force such inappropriateness on the general public.

Immersed in child Role Play is NOT just putting on a child avatar and doing whatever you want to do that will not get your account deleted.

Sailor Moon!

I'm not. I'm just accepting the TOS/CS/Blog posts as they are. Just because ~YOU~ don't like it doesn't make anything my problem or a problem the Lindens have to deal with. (=_=)

Anyway.... This is on a retail shelf near you:



So much for YOUR definition of social norms. You plan on going after Waldenbooks next? (^_^)y

Immy, your the one that posted that she now gets her Hentai from Amazon because the mothers of the children in your local Mall were put out by you possessing Hentai in front of their children. No lessons learned?

Amazon doesn't sell Hentai. And don't manipulate the story to fit your agenda.

The kids were reading from the bookshelf that was there.

The kids were picking up books with more extreme content than the books I was intending to buy.

I was actually spending money in the store, as I did every week, buying books from the shelf.

The mother in question accused me of browsing for children instead of shopping for books.

The mother in question created a HUGE uproar about the mall being unsafe for her children because "people like that don't even hide their ways anymore".

The mother in question was berated by a mall security officer for using the bookstore as an after-school babysitter.

The mother in question, her kids, and the other loitering kids were removed from the mall by security.

I was allowed to continue shopping and was given a sincere apology by the store clerk and security officer for the uproar the mother in question caused.

I'm not going back to that store because, in general, people like that mother in question are around and more than ready to accuse anyone of anything for no good reason at all except to expell their own selfish and irrational fears. Participating in this discussion reminds me that such irrational and sensationalistic people exist on the internet too. (=_=)

Lias. You have manipulated other peoples' words here in this forum over and over again to fit your lies. And, you have been called on each occasion with no response from you. No lessons learned?

Right, I said child avatars must have guns? When? It's a simple truth that child avatars are allowed to have them. AND THEY CAN ONLY BE FIRED ON ADULT PARCELS IF THEY ARE SUFFICIENTLY VIOLENT ENOUGH. This is absolute undisputable proof that child avatars MUST be welcomed on Zindra. PERIOD. That is why absolutely NOBODY has any reason to ask why they're allowed. They must be allowed. Now can you accept reality and move on?