Jack - Why allow child avatars on Zindra?

Just bear in mind that if LL rules that public lewdness is banned grid-wide ARs will happen too. The blog post stated that there would be non-adult area on Zindra that would be safe for anyone, so a reasonable person would conclude public indecency (esp on Linden Land) is a no-no.

An example of what I'm referring to...

Lias. You have manipulated other peoples' words here in this forum over and over again to fit your lies. And, you have been called on each occasion with no response from you. No lessons learned?

Who still complains about that in her profile.

Have you seen Ordinal's snowball multi-shooter that was pretty popular last winter?

Sex parades better not happen in any parts of Zindra where child avatars are actually allowed to be. Such as for example Linden-owned properties. By the TOS which you and everybody else has already agreed to, such activities cannot occur on such lands even if they are labeled Adult, as all Linden-owned properties are restricted exclusively to PG content, without exception.

This is why you have been repeatedly called on the carpet to defend your stated intent to stage such parades in an effort to entrap child avatars. What you are advocating is a deliberate, knowing violation of the TOS with the stated intent to pin it on others who are in fact innocent of the crimes you intend to accuse them of.

This is why you are the enemy of the entire grid, whether the people in question are playing child avatars or not. And also why I am treating you as the enemy that you have chosen to be.

This sordid little tale teaches (but not you) that the middle-class American Mall goer have a near-hysterical reaction to sexualized content put together with children. Live and learn.

You did not choose to be a unicorn or a monkey - you chose to be a human small child. As you learned, children do not need to be in the vicinity of sexualized content, In the mall or in Second Life. Therefore we do not need to depict people in the Adult continent of Zindra wearing child avatars 'exploring' and 'accidentally' encountering Adult Sexualized content.

That is a fine line Rock, the Penis Parcel is touching the Linden Rail station and in fullview of anyone on that Linden parcel. It would be pretty difficult to not see any adult goings on while on that 'protected' parcel in Adult Zindra.
Haha. Immersive roleplayers are amusing.

People also have a near-hysterical reaction when I, in real life, fly kites in a public park. Adult men do not fly kites unless they are trolling for children. I have personally had the police called to the parks where I fly kites repeatedly because I am supposedly a pedophile. Every single time they arrive, since they are required to investigate the complaint, they have called the complaints absolute bullshit when I tell them what I'm doing there.

By your logic I should be banned from ever flying a kite again, to protect the children from accidentally encountering an adult who is flying kites for nefarious purposes. This is an attitude which I will not tolerate, and why I call you an opressor. That is what you are attempting to do, is to get everybody to accept your oppression. Well you can just forget it. As a quite venerated American statesman said long ago, those who are willing to sacrifice liberty for security, deserve neither.

And the prims in question are not ON LINDEN LAND. That is what makes it a very blatant cut and dried case, in that the child avatars are allowed to be on Linden owned land. Even in Zindra. If somebody wants to build penises in plain sight of people in an infohub, that may be acceptable under the rules, but that doesn't mean that the people visiting said infohub are there only to look at their penises either.

This is where the hysteria about children being in proximity to things in RL falls apart, and also where the hysteria about child avatars in SL being in proximity to things in SL does too.

And since you referred to immersionist roleplayers in response to one of my quotes, I'm not at all being the immersionist roleplayer you seem to think I am. I am a rational, thinking adult in real life who knows how to smell pure bs when he sees it, and has come to realize that you're spreading it nice and thick.

Has absolutely nothing to do with depicting a eight year old child in the lobby of a BDSM Castle, Porn store, Brothel, Erotic Restaurant.
Rock in Real Life you cannot change your avatar and go to the park. That simple, descent solution is available for all lof us in SL.
SL is full of oppression - these are needed because many peopel in Sl do care what they choose to depit is broadly offensive. Child avatars are the only avatars oppressed by the service provider as part of common decency. With the new Adult continent of Zindra we need to remind people that choose to RP as children to stay withing the lines of the roles they have chosen. Or change the avatar and it is and there is no issue at all.
We do try to 'forget it'. But the child avatar saga keeps popping up on the screen. Push, push, push the envelope of decency until the repercussions are much worse than they were in 2007.

And the 'sordid little story' of Immy's RL experience with the woman having hysterics over her buying anime and manga in the mall in plain sight of children has nothing to do with such depictions either, yet you're quite happy to use it to fuel your own agenda. You can't have it both ways.

You really missed it, don't you? It's the parents leaving the kids next to the Manga rack. It's the kids thumbing through the more erotic stories. And NOBODY raised a fuss. Nobody noticed. Nobody cared. It was probably laughed at most of the time... "Those silly kids and their dirty comics."

There was no indication of erotic content at all. Again, you manipulate my words to fit your lies. I'm calling you on your lies. You have nothing but lies. You, pointing out a story I told and quoting it directly, revealed your own lies. Read my post. You quoted it yourself. The words are all there. But you refuse to. Because my story doesn't fit your lies.

I was gathering books from the shelf in question. They weren't my books yet. That's why I was at a book store. To BUY the books I didn't have yet.

What psycho-mom saw was an adult looking at a bookshelf covered in kids.

What psycho-mom did was assume that the adult was looking at the kids instead.

What psycho-mom did was go apes**t as a result of her own invented reality.

It had nothing to do with the books at all.

Nobody was even aware of the books I was looking for.

All the Manga covers look pretty much the same.

The kids were in the way. They were loitering, I was shopping. The combined image would have been more damning if I DIDN'T have books in my hand.

So, for you to think that my mall situation had anything to do with my buying books off of the bookshelf to begin with. Well, then you just as delusional as psycho-mom and her made up reality of the horrible book store stalker that was ready to lure her kids into some situation of whatever evil intent.

Psycho-mom's mind worked that way. Mine didn't. I was just there to shop. Now, who was the person more mentally removed from social norms?

Me, the person going to a book store to shop for books?

Or psycho-mom, the lady out to unjustly accuse people of being kidnappers because they happen to be in the same store as her kids that she refuses to take care of so she leaves them in a shopping mall to fend for themselves?

Lias. You are off your rocker. You are repeatedly revealing your lies for what they are. You are twisting, manipulating, and spinning other people's statements left and right. And, you are accusing ~US~ of word games.

I said Manga. You said Hentai.

I said one mother was accusing me of looking at her children. You said mothers (in plural) were put out by me "possessing hentai".

I never said I possessed hentai while shopping in the mall. You insinuated I did.

You describe my situation as a "sordid tale" as though I did something wrong. Since when was it wrong to shop for books in a book store?

Each and every one of your lies is a nail in the coffin of the corpse of your failed agenda.

Lias. You have manipulated other peoples' words here in this forum over and over again to fit your lies. And, you have been called on each occasion with no response from you. No lessons learned?

I am afraid that I cannot see how the argument crumbles based on what you just posted.
Sir, you have blinders on. Like most child avatar apologists - you refuse to acknowledge the pattern of behavior from people that use child avatars. Pedo scandal of 2007, SL5B images sanctioned and now the Zindra issue(or, as you would title it, the Zindra non-issue). None of it adds up to anything for you. Your blinders are tightly affixed to your face. Carry on.

So if you did not want it to be on a screen why are you talking about it so much on the internet?

I am afraid you missed it Immy - and have missed it for a very long time. I posted your own statement and you still call them lies - whatever.
The agenda is this, Immy (in case you lost it in all of your large jpegs and nonsense); There is now and will continue to be Adult Sexualized content being pushed into Zindra - for at least the next two months - over 700 tickets to move there in one hour. Alot of adult sexualized content all forced into the same area - and this area identified as Zindra - a place that no one should role play as a small child. Out of common decency. Yet you insist upon doing so -0 then you post that you changed to an adult avatar to go explore Zindra. So your not really sure of your stance on this issue - as you should not be. It is wrong to RP as a child in a area that contains so much sexualized content.

This is a place of discussion Cait. But the child avatar apologists do not seem to want to discuss this - they want it to go away and to villianize anyone that opposes their activities.
I recall a while ago there was this huge 'I hate Goreans' front. But we do not see the gors constantly pushing their agenda on the entire grid - so we co-exist. Child avatars feel they have the right to RP in any environment that will not get them balled from SL - irregardless of how it effects everyone else. Case in point; People RPing as children in areas where they will more-than-likely encounter adult sexualized content. I agree child avatar voyeurism in Zindra is not forbidden in the LL TOS/CS. But it should be.

Bollocks!

My statements are my statements and I stand by them.

I said YOUR words are lies. You claim I'm calling my own words lies. Such are your lies.

Your twisting of my statements and apparent refusal to read them lead to your lies that I'm referring to. Your twisting of other peoples' statements and apparent refusal to read them lead to your lies that I'm referring to.

And, again. To reveal more lies. "then you post that you changed to an adult avatar to go explore Zindra"

I did not "change" to my adult avatar to explore Zindra. I was in my adult avatar. I've been in it for weeks. I went kid for SL6B once in a while. But, I've really grown attached to my short adult since it allows me a bit more adventure in clothing since it has breasts and I don't have to worry about shaded clothing looking ratty on a flat chest.

No agenda. Just truth and facts about the rules Linden Lab has already put in place. Adult is not sex. Child avatars are restricted from depicting sex. Child avatars are allowed to be present around and participate in non-sexual Adult content. Child avatars are allowed to be present around and participate in non-sexual Mature content. Those are the rules. And, as of lately, there is no uproar. There are no throngs of picketers at office hours over it. There are no kid-AV-invasinos of sex clubs (as you seem to fear). And, much ado about nothing.

Lias. You have manipulated other peoples' words here in this forum over and over again to fit your lies. And, you have been called on each occasion with no response from you. No lessons learned?

If nobody is getting banned; who is being affected and how?

Item 9 on the blog has been been up for over a week. If there were really a problem that would cause a press uproar or actually give people problems, it would have happened by now. Instead, we're faced with what looks like 5... maybe 6 overreacting lummoxes. I'm not seeing any bannings yet. All of the depictions I've posted here in the forums have apparently passed the sites PG guidelines. So, as a result, the discussion has been reduced to smear tactics that are driven by lies.

I, for one, will make an effort to be sure we see an end to this thread.

How is residents who use child avatars limiting their activities in Zindra to parcels without sexual content not co-existing?

If it turns out there are no such parcels in Zindra, Child avatars will be effectively banned from Zindra outside Linden owned parcels under current rules. If there are such parcels in Zindra, who cares if they go there?

You have made a point of saying you are in an adult avatar while exploring Zindra several times.

That does not make any sense. The migration to Zindra lasted one day - we cannot start moving in again until tommorow. It will take at least 60 days to get over 2000 Adult content business moved to Zindra. But do recall there was a small problem on day one that involved child avatars - and here we are on page 64 - because it is a non-issue, right?
Will that effort include you not posting in it anymore?

But, of course, silence what you do not want heard. I was unhappy about the abortion thread and I walked away. They can talk all they want but I am done with it. You obviously need to be done with it - but to try to silence the discussion shows your child avatar apologists agenda.

As a toon, I stick to dropping anvils on people.

She chose to be a small child in RL? What on EARTH are you talking about?

She chose to be a small child in RL? What on EARTH are you talking about?They're paying your tier.
Since nobody is advocating that, why do you bring it up?
Only because you keep pushing it.