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Jack - Why allow child avatars on Zindra?

Imnotgoing Sideways
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07-02-2009 14:51
From: Lias Leandros
Wow, OK.
Ask again. I could not find where you asked about a shirt.
Can you describe the shirt I was wearing? (^_^)
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23rdDjin Negulesco
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07-02-2009 14:53
From: Lias Leandros
23, I am right


if there was any truth to this, you would have been in the forums, on every blog you could reach, typing at the top of your lungs "SEE! I WAS RIGHT!". you've already admitted to as much over the past few weeks. it's easy to claim all matters of evidence as long as you never have to produce any.

From: Lias Leandros
I could not find where you asked about a shirt.


this explains how you've also been able to pass up a great many other facts and questions presented you. you might want to try to spend a bit of time actuallyreading what is actually said.
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Lias Leandros
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07-02-2009 14:57
If I look at the pictures I sent to my harddrive I could - But that is not necessary. You feel any child avatar can enter such a place as long as adult content is not present (and it is not yet - just the two large penis). I believe that depicting child avatars in that place is a inappropriate depiction. That is where we differ on the subject of child avatars and the Adult continent of Zindra.
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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07-02-2009 15:02
From: Lias Leandros
If I look at the pictures I sent to my harddrive I could - But that is not necessary. You feel any child avatar can enter such a place as long as adult content is not present (and it is not yet - just the two large penis). I believe that depicting child avatars in that place is a inappropriate depiction. That is where we differ on the subject of child avatars and the Adult continent of Zindra.
No. I agree with the Lindens when I see that it is documented that child avatars can't be depicted in or around SEXUAL content. Adult content isn't sex by default. Neither is nudity. Neither are anatomic structures. Who has a nice clean pic of Lady Justice's nipple? (^_^)y
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23rdDjin Negulesco
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07-02-2009 15:03
From: Lias Leandros
If I look at the pictures I sent to my harddrive I could - But that is not necessary.


it appears you accidentally wrote "necessary" rather than "possible".
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07-02-2009 15:04
From: Lias Leandros
They are not balloons and I do not suggest you try to blow them up.


But splosives are FUN! Look! Fireworks!

[as every male avatar turns green]
Argent Stonecutter
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07-02-2009 15:21
It took me five minutes to find the damn things. Well over 90% of that sim's land area can't be seen from them, so according to Lias WORST CASE assumptions over 90% of the sim's land area and 99.53% of the volume is OK for kid toons. And she wants to ban them from 100% of it.
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Lias Leandros
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07-02-2009 15:25
I logged back and my avatar was still standing in that area of Mosh with the Large penis parcel (I see Argent and Millia:-))
A person entered that parcel with only one group in her profile. The charter of this group is:
From: Group Charter
Please join if you are either a man 40yo up or a young woman who admires older men and enjoys their company and more:)
Young, old, men, women, sex, love, senior, mature, petite, teen, teenies, daddy, daughter, submission, girlfriend.
I think this charter is unsavory because it mentions daddy and daughter and sex.
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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07-02-2009 15:29
From: Lias Leandros
I logged back and my avatar was still standing in that area of Mosh with the Large penis parcel (I see Argent and Millia:-))
A person entered that parcel with only one group in her profile. The charter of this group is:
I think this charter is unsavory because it mentions daddy and daughter and sex.
.... and? (O.o)

I remember being in a University RP group once that had a few 'parental visit' events. (^_^)
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Kokoro Fasching
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07-02-2009 15:41
From: Lias Leandros
So were done with that debate. Imnotgoing went into a Adult Parcel in Zindra that had large penises on either side of the door while she was wearing her 'short adult' (child avatar) shape.


So short is child to you? Why? She did not go ROLEPLAYING a child, she went as a short adult - there is a *HUGE* difference.

From: Lias Leandros

And this is what the OP had questioned. Why are people depicting themselves as small children need to RP as these small children while entering Adult Content that is obviously adult content because of the large penises on each side of the door? The Linden sanctions on child avatars is due to unsavory depictions of children in SL. Those sanctions should not stop with just sex and child avatars. The rules should deter imnotgoing from legally entering that parcel in a child avatar in the first place.


So an adult is someone that is at least 2 meters tall? Define adult shape! Exactly what you do determine to be the adult shape?
23rdDjin Negulesco
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07-02-2009 15:42
From: Lias Leandros

Group Charter
Please join if you are either a man 40yo up or a young woman who admires older men and enjoys their company and more
Young, old, men, women, sex, love, senior, mature, petite, teen, teenies, daddy, daughter, submission, girlfriend.

I think this charter is unsavory because it mentions senior and girlfriend and sex.
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Kokoro Fasching
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07-02-2009 15:43
From: Lias Leandros
While wearing a child avatar someone visiting a parcel in Zindra with two large penises right out in front of it is a inappropriate setting to depict a child avatar in. Linden Lab already decided that depicting child avatars in engaging in sex with an adult avatar is a inappropriate depiction. Linden Lab needs to expand their list of what is considered inappropriate depictions of child avatars in Second Life.

This is because, from what has been stated here - and where we have seen child avatar people go in Zindra - Many people wearing child avatars in Second Life are unable to decipher what is usually considered inappropriate activities or settings for these avatars.


A penis not adult! Look here, in a major parade.

http://jxseesblack.blogspot.com/2008_11_01_archive.html

OMG! There are children in that crowd!
Kokoro Fasching
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07-02-2009 15:46
From: Lias Leandros
Immy, if you feel you were in the right to enter that parcel as a ten year old child - then why the denials that you were there in that avatar?
A forum lock is not the end of the issue, Immy. Your actions will assure that.


Immy does not have a 10 year old child *human* AV - read her profile. You are doing nothing but trying a smear campaign of lies!
Kokoro Fasching
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07-02-2009 15:48
From: Lias Leandros
I logged back and my avatar was still standing in that area of Mosh with the Large penis parcel (I see Argent and Millia:-))
A person entered that parcel with only one group in her profile. The charter of this group is:
I think this charter is unsavory because it mentions daddy and daughter and sex.


So if the Daddy and the Daughter are both over 18, it is wrong? Who are you to say what is wrong for adults to do?
Kokoro Fasching
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07-02-2009 15:57
Lias, at least have the ovaries to post your replies in the forum, and not sending me IM's in world.

[15:51] L... L.........: stop all that ranting Kokoro Fasching

You appear to so love to try and make your attacks not visible to everyone else, but never fear, they will be published.
Caitlyn Clawtooth
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07-02-2009 16:24
I just popped by Zindra as an adult character. Am still laughing at those sculpties in Mosh.
Lias Leandros
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07-02-2009 16:35
Thank you for changing into an adult Avatar to enter the adult parcel in Zindra - even though there is no adult content inside the build (except the large penis outside). If more child avatar people were more sensitive to the concerns stated here and in several other threads this would have been a non-issue some time ago. Linden Lab gives this 'community' more credit than they deserve. LL assumed because we should know right from wrong that we will do the right thing. We now see that people can rationalize away any act when hiding behind a avatar.
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07-02-2009 16:43
From: Lias Leandros
Thank you for changing into an adult Avatar to enter the adult parcel in Zindra - even though there is no adult content inside the build (except the large penis outside). If more child avatar people were more sensitive to the concerns stated here and in several other threads this would have been a non-issue some time ago. Linden Lab gives this 'community' more credit than they deserve. LL assumed because we should know right from wrong that we will do the right thing. We now see that people can rationalize away any act when hiding behind a avatar.
I was there in my adult avatar too, you know. Where's my congratuations?!?! (=_=)
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Briana Dawson
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07-02-2009 16:44
From: Kokoro Fasching
Lias, at least have the ovaries to post your replies in the forum, and not sending me IM's in world.


Oh! So if it isn't PM's on the Forum, LIAS harasses you In World via IM.

Lias - Chasing people around via PM or InWorld IMs to give them crap about what they have posted is rather obsessive - sort of like your participation in this "discussion" and your holding on to the same tired argument no matter what anyone says to you.

It is different if you are saying PMing/IMing to say "hey great post" or "hey i agree with you", but you do not do that, you kvetch. So next time, keep your negative creepiness to yourself.

Also kokoro, you mean "Ovarian fortitude" :D
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Milla Janick
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07-02-2009 16:54
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
I was there in my adult avatar too, you know. Where's my congratuations?!?! (=_=)

Hey, so was I!

I think. There's a difference between "child avatar" and "childish avatar", right?
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Lias Leandros
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07-02-2009 17:01
From: Briana Dawson
Oh! So if it isn't PM's on the Forum, LIAS harasses you In World via IM.
I just IM'd you in-world. Eh gad! I met up with Millia and Argent earlier and we had an exchange. Get over yourself.
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Lias - Chasing people around via PM or InWorld IMs to give them crap about what they have posted is rather obsessive - sort of like your participation in this "discussion" and your holding on to the same tired argument no matter what anyone says to you.
Brianna this discussion is not taking place to make anyone drop their argument. It is to discuss the Child avatar policy, changes that may help clear up gray areas in it and what child avatars feel is appropriate depictions.
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07-02-2009 17:08
From: Lias Leandros
If more child avatar people were more sensitive to the concerns stated here and in several other threads this would have been a non-issue some time ago.
Good god. So far the score card is:

Number of kid toons entering areas containing sexual content: zero.
Number of kid toons approaching avatars engaged in sexual behaviour: zero.

You want them to be more sensitive than that? You want fewer than zero incidents?
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-02-2009 17:11
From: Lias Leandros

Brianna this discussion is not taking place to make anyone drop their argument. It is to discuss the Child avatar policy, changes that may help clear up gray areas in it and what child avatars feel is appropriate depictions.
Number of gray areas actually exposed: zero.
Number of inappropriate depictions caused by kid toons: zero.
Number of inappropriate depictions shown: maybe one, though if the image at http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wreu30siPoA/SSl6N6Z2pQI/AAAAAAAAAsI/SSg2t7JhuJU/s320/180px-2005_walking_penis.jpg is unphotoshopped, it's possible that I'm even mistaken about your boyfriend's stupid penis costume being inappropriate in the presence of kid toons.
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Briana Dawson
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07-02-2009 17:15
From: Lias Leandros
I just IM'd you in-world. Eh gad! I met up with Millia and Argent earlier and we had an exchange. Get over yourself.


Yea, you are muted. Loser.
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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07-02-2009 17:15
From: Lias Leandros
I just IM'd you in-world. Eh gad! I met up with Millia and Argent earlier and we had an exchange. Get over yourself.
Brianna this discussion is not taking place to make anyone drop their argument. It is to discuss the Child avatar policy, changes that may help clear up gray areas in it and what child avatars feel is appropriate depictions.
As much as I like gray areas. I see this as pretty black and white. (^_^)

Black: Kid avatars can't be depicted as using, being available for use with, or in direct proximity with sexual devices.

White: Kid avatars are allowed on (Adult) land as long as they're not being depicted as using, being available for use with, or in direct proximity with sexual devices.

Works for me and is already documented. (^_^)

The gray area I'd like to kill is the (Mature) land concept of "Private content"... Or, further, while we're promised definitions about it in the FAQ, the FAQ itself contains a whole bunch of nothing on the subject. So, we have a much larger scale TOS/CS related problem where people may be unjustly ARed for having a little romp in their private homes. Thereby increasing the load on the Gteam with false ARs and resulting in a reduction of available governance support. (>_<;)

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-1203
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