Jack - Why allow child avatars on Zindra?

It is a search option in ABOUT LAND. If there was no way to identify a parcel as Adult Content then how would anyone effectively avoid such content?

Then where is this mythical land setting you insist is there? As far as I know, the search option means to include sims marked adult and is parcel-blind as to what is adult.

If Immy got a parcel on Zindra and had nothing adult on it, she would be in her full rights to do so. We are not talking about your own parcel - there (and ONLY there) you are god. Kid avatars stepping into *real* adult areas (as opposed to a little word on top of your screen that says nothing about the *real* environment) are already covered under the existing TOS/CS.

Now... still waiting for my answer about that quote from L... L... Stop being a coward.

No Caitlyn, the parcels can be listed in Search as Adult. Please install the viewer and check it out. Again- if Linden Lab stated that there will be some 'content safe' parcels in Zindra that are not marked Adult Content. This will be the only way to enter ZInra Continent and not mistakenly go into an adult content facility.
Some child avatar people say even if it is clearly marked Adult content they can enter anyway. First off - why would anyone want to depict a small child in a Adult Content place and secondly - knowing that this would be a offensive depiction of children why would they insists that it is their right to do so?

1. That option is for search.

2. According to the search FAQ, that option can not be changed in Adult regions, and can't be set in PG or Mature regions: Adult regions are always flagged Adult in search, and non-Adult regions can never be flagged Adult in search.

3. Are you actually dropping your objection to kid toons in adult-rated sims?

Because the restriction is based on proximity. If a kid toon is not near enough to it that their avatar shows up when someone looks at it, it doesn't matter.

Again, Daniel - that is understood. Imno CAN set up a parcel next door to a brothel in Zindra. And then we are back to the OPs reason for starting the thread: Why would Linden Lab allow child avatars to have a presence in Zindra right next door to marked Adult Content plots?

Please look up "can" and "will" in your dictionary. You have a dictionary, don't you?

Only a Nazi would say such a thing.

Wrong question. The correct question would be: Why not? It worked fine all the years in the past, when adult stuff didn't have a special rating and happened on mature regions.

The reason for the adult policy change was to keep adult stuff out of the eyes of casual visitors in their first user hour experience.

Head-in-sand. But I forgot that you have completely bought into your blanket denial of any child avatar wrong-doing in SL. Carry on.
That is ONE reason. The reason for the Linden Lab child avatar sanctions (Any you can admit to without placing any blame on the child avatar community) would seem to overlap into some of the reasons Zindra was built. It is all about the common decency level of the average viewer.

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Originally Posted by Angel Leviathan
Round and round we go, when the child sex apologists stop, nobody knows




Godwin at page 21.

Adult SEXUAL content is off limits to child avatars. Not all adult content is sexual, and not all parcels in Adult regions will contain adult content.

If you had any common decency you would apologize for your part in manufacturing this whole farce in the first place.

Thank you for cutting and pasting your post again Millia. If the parcel is marked Adult Content - the child avatar SHOULD keep a wide berth. Linden Lab needs to clarify its policy on (or develop since they have not) their policy on Adult Content parcels and child avatars. Relying on the old Mature parcel/RP Pedophilia sanctions is not enough and does nto effectively address the Adult Content parcel/Child Avatar issues of Zindra.

LOL

Why should we? Aside from the fact that you can not mark a PARCEL as adult, that is a sim level rating.

We all agree that child avatars should not be on parcels that have sexual content. What if the avatar is, oh, say a samurai-as-a-child and the RP parcel for that had to move to Zindra because of violent content though? Re-read the LL definition of 'adult', they include violence in the definition of adult.

So you've abandoned your original claim that kid toons have to stay out of regions with an adult rating?

It is also a parcel rating. If you click on ABOUT LAND and then the OPTIONS tab. Use the ANY CATEGORY drop down box and choose ADULT. The ANY CATEGORY area is defined as: Selecting the Publish in Search - Checking this box will show: -This parcel in search results - this parcel's public objects - this parcel in web search.

We all agree that child avatars should not be on parcels that have sexual content. What if the avatar is, oh, say a samurai-as-a-child and the RP parcel for that had to move to Zindra because of violent content though? Re-read the LL definition of 'adult', they include violence in the definition of adult.[/QUOTE]Well this is the cusp of the issue, Caitlyn. People who insist upon wearing child avatars have no need to participate in Adult Content. remember - they insist upon RPing as CHILDREN. Then keep those depictions of children in their proper places.

SIDE NOTE. I just logged in and chose to just go to MOSH in Zindra because I remembered a infohub there (to check these settings for Caitlyn). I went to the default landing point in a sim (128, 128, 0). The infohub there is now attached to a private parcel that has two huge penises on either side of that parcel's entrance way. A completely inappropriate place for child avatars to be in or around.

Wide Berth means stay out, Argent.

I see the word "see" being used in things that kid avatars can't do in regards to adult content. In addition, I see that "adult content" is being described as the item kid avatars are, or should be, restricted from. (O.o)

Problem: You can't restrict anyone in SL from seeing anything, at all. Not no never. Not no how. With draw distances up to 512Meters and the ability to remove camera constraints it is impossible to restrict what an avatar sees. Add to that, there is no documented ruling saying that a child avatar can't SEE anything. Heck... I can look at a primnis from 3 whole sims over with the graphics settings I use. So, what's the violation? (O.o)

Problem: Adult content isn't all sex and not all of the Adult continent is going to contain adult content. People can and will build (Mature) and (PG) guideline based parcels on (Adult) land. They can't re-flag the land but they can enforce their own private property guidelines how ever they feel fit. So, what's the violation? (O.o)

Let's see... How about we dissect somethings a bit?

So, the key concern by Linden Lab as presented in the Adult land guidelines is what the person behind the keyboard sees. A person with a verified account is enough legal butt-covering for the lab to be satisfied that they're not exposing adult content to people who don't want to and/or legally can't view it. (^_^)At the same time, they're making it clear that no RL kids are involved here. You can't show up, even under the guise of being underage in RL without troubles. False identification truly is a breach of TOS. (^_^)True that. (^_^)yTrue that. (^_^)yAnd, they still state with clarity that the (sexual)ageplay rules still apply. Wait!!! That's not all!!! There's more!!! They ACTUALLY said "sexual" this time! Yay! \(^o^)/

Okay... But, hang on. There are restrictions on kid avatars. What are they? (^_^)
Participation, promoting or catering, placing in proximity, and the graphic depiction in a sexual or lewd manner.

**To be participating, you have to be ON the poseball.

**To be promoting or catering, you'd have to be placing out posters and ads containing kids on said poseballs.

**To be placing in proximity, you'd have to have the kid standing within visual range of someone else's camera and presumably within eye-shot of the poseballs or people already using the poseballs.

**Finally, to have a graphic depiction... Well, that goes back to having posters of the kids on poseballs again, don't it? (^_^)

But, remember. This all applies to sex and sexual content. Not Adult content. See, adult content is much more than sex and often doesn't have to involve sex at all. At the same time, not all Zindra land will be hosting adult content. For that land, having any avatar restrictions would mean a whole restructuring of the CS, blogs, and KB to fit some notion that protected land and private parcel guidelines need not apply and you MUST comply with the highest rating of the land you're on at risk of eviction for someone who will fill their adult parcel with the "accepted levels of smut". (^_^)

Just to sneak another tidbit in here:
Short and cute doesn't always equal young. So, fairies, pixies, dollies, and such need not apply. It's best to treat them as the thousand year old supernatural beings they really are. (^_^)

Oh, and, barely legal is still legal. Especially in a virtual world where it can be your 18th birthday, everyday. =^-^=

It's not attached. It's adjacent. And, yes, it would be greatly preferable for kid avatars to stay outside of eye-shot visual proximity from any sex activities or poseballs that exist inside that private parcel. My guess is that they'd get ARed and banned for stepping inside. (^_^)

Boy... And a "classy" establishment, that. (=_=) Freebie textures and megaprims abound. (=_=)y

If you want to RP as a small child your going to have to limit your activities to those that are appropriate. And if you are not aware of what is appropriate for a child to be involved in then your not so good at RPing as a child. But there are other hobbies. And you can re-flag the parcel as adult - as I explained.
Linden Lab's concerns do not end there - or the ageplay child avatar sanctions would not exist. The ageplay sanctions for child avatars address inappropriate depictions of child avatars in Second Life. So it is not always about viewing adult content or protecting children. And Linden Lab put the ageplay rule in effect as a DIRECT RESULT of the German pedo scandal in SL in 2007. Soo (now stay with me) The one publicized incident of child avatars depicted inappropriately in SL inspired LL to make this One sanction against child avatars - we can comfortably assume that yet another international internet child avatar scandal from SL would prompt LL to put more sanctions in place.

But why take that chance? So a few adults can wear child avatars and move them through adult content as they please? It is not worth the hassle.

Well Imnot, we are four days into populating the Adult Continent of Zindra and already we have large penises at the infohub. So the theory about there not being that much adult content in Zindra seems to be not be panning out for you guys.

And stop going in those places wearing a child avatar, Imnot!

Mosh isn't an infohub.

Naw. Most of the land is still barren. And, since these are the forced moves, they'll be biased to the extreme of content that LL is requiring in order to be approved for the free move. Once the buyers come in, things will level out. (^_^)

And, who said I was in my kid shape? (o.O)