Jack - Why allow child avatars on Zindra?

No.. I'm not comparing myself to the SL cops. I'm saying that your example of comparing something that's illegal in RL to something that "should be banned" in SL holds no merit. Anyway.... Haven't you been on or near a role play sim? There are some with role play police forces that aren't associated with these "SL cops" you speak of. (^_^)

Though, yes.. Infamous, illegal, offensive... yet... not against the TOS/CS. (^_^)

Just like many other things in SL. Last I checked, it's a virtual world. Death is impossible. Unassisted humanoid flying is. And there is no actual harm in virtualizing something here since, in the end, it really is just pixels on a screen at the hands of an adult behind the keyboard. (^_^)

Consider myself as an example. So far, you seem to have drawn me out to be the scourge of society. I shoot people, dance nakie, and blow myself up in a smoke filled pool of blood and inner organs on a daily basis. But, do you want to guess how long my RL criminal record is? How about this? ZERO crimes!!!! Why? Because I'm inside the house and on the internet all the time. I didn't do drugs in high school. I've never stolen a thing. I've never harmed an actual person or animal. Nothing at all... I'm just sitting here, tap-tap-tapping away at my keyboard while my avatar is dancing nakie and tipping the DJ for playing her favorite Wolfmother song. =^-^=

So child avatars in areas of Zindra that contain adult content is offensive but so is alot of other things.

Actually depicting a kid toon in a sexual situation or in proximity to sexual content is against the ToS. We are not discussing that, we are discussing a completely different situation.

So long as there is no sexual content or activity in proximity to her, why shouldn't she? The region rating does not force landowners to make people on their region strip.

Actually depicting a kid toon in a sexual situation or in proximity to sexual content is against the ToS. We are not discussing that, we are discussing a completely different situation.

So long as there is no sexual content or activity in proximity to her, why shouldn't she? The region rating does not force landowners to make people on their region strip.

Are you arguing against that, or are you arguing against kid toons in adult-rated regions regardless of whether there's adult content there or not?

Argent what you say? Look UP. See what was written. And if your not sure what my stance is regarding child avatars and Adult Content Zindra after 300 forum pages - you may want to scan a few of the other threads on this subject. There will be a quiz. Keep up.

funny how it's not rude until someone points out your own inane understanding of it...

AMAZING...

OOP! I forgot!

IBTL!

(Also, I notice you avoid Argent's points and only attack the "flaw" in his post... which is actually a valid point, because you've been pretty nebulous in your stance...)

No, Argent that is exactly what we are discussing (please note the OPs question). You interpret the child avatar restrictions in place differently than imnotgoing and differently than Millia does. A child avatar in the lobby of a Brothel in Zindra would not see the sexual activity or content - according to you the child avatar is in violation. According to Imnotgoing , the child avatar is not in violation.

When a parcel owner rates their parcel Adult that child avatar should just take their word for it and stay away. But according to the restrictions put on child avatars when we only had Mature and PG ratings only, the child avatar can enter a adult rated parcel anyway.
Linden Lab needs to clarify this point and let child avatars know that a parcel marked Adult is off-limits to child avatars.

I'm not the one arguing with Linden Labs over the meaning of the restrictions. Imnotgoing is not the one arguing with Linden Labs over the meaning of the restrictions. You and the OP are the ones who are doing that.

I'm also not the one deliberately misinterpreting what Immy said. I'm not the one engaged in a systematic effort to depict the leading members of the kid toon community as doing and saying things they've not done and not said.

It's not about what the adult player behind the screen sees, it's about what the kid toon depicts in the world.

Parcels are not rated. Regions are rated.

An adult rated region and a mature rated region can contain the same content. The only difference is that the adult rated region can publicly display and advertise it. The presence of violent content does not have any impact at all on where kid toons can go. The presence of sexual content in a region means that kid toons have to avoid its vicinity. The rules are the same whether the region is rated adult or mature, because it's not the region's rating that is the reason for the restriction

This is not complex, nor hard to understand. I don't believe your claimed lack of understanding is honest.

So I guess you have decided to ignore all of us trying to, oh, give you some facts on them. Not sue why I am bothering, but here goes again:

the German scandal (also the Sky News one):
Both of them, plain and simple, were about ratings. The only reason the German news team even found any illicit behaviour was by going undercover .... so the people they found were NOT part of the open kid's community. When they were found that group (the Wonderland sim) was immediately banned by LL.

SL5B:
This was widely acknowledged as a really bad move by LL. Pretty much every community saw it was an unfair/unwise move and supported the child avatar community. KIDS5B was formed because we had no other way of protest and LL knew completely what we were doing the entire time. Some Lindens dropped by while it was being constructed and while it was running. There was vast publicity over KIDS5B too so they could hardly have missed it. Eventually LL mostly overturned their decision: there were still some restrictions (strange ones: like an adult and a kid could not be in the same picture) but kid avatars were welcome at the SL5B celebrations. Kid avatars were welcome from the start at the SL6B celebration and that did not cause a problem ... so obviously we do not present a problem in being there (or are SL5B and SL6B so radically different?).

Zindra:
How many times do you need to be told this? Zindra sims are essentially the same as mainland mature sims are now. Most of the mainland sims I know of are mature and kid avatars live there, have stores, and explore there. Some of the parcels (where you will not find child avatars) have adult content. For LL to say the sole criteria for getting access to Zindra is verification is just good policy. If you are planning on going up to a child avatar and having sex in public to try and get them in trouble .... well, I hope you enjoy it when the LL ban hammer hits you.

That is part of the problem. You seem to be confusing your parcel with the entire continent of Zindra. Of course anyone should follow the landowner's access issues, but that landowner does not get a say in LL policy on who has access to SL or the continent.

"Originally Posted by Lias Leandros
Linden Lab needs to clarify this point and let child avatars know that a parcel marked Adult is off-limits to child avatars."

On this basis one could say that if your involved in 'Adult' activity then all PG areas should be off limits to you (generalization 'you').

But I wrote 'Adult Parcel'. The child avatar argument now is that even if the parcel is marked Adult Content by the parcel owner - the child avatar can still enter as long as the adult content on that parcel is not visible to them.
Linden Lab needs to clarify and let child avatar people know that any Parcel marked Adult Content - no matter if the content is immediately visible - is off-limits to child avatars.

Your 'facts' are wonderful - but the issue is child avatars entering clearly marked ADULT CONTENT parcels. Saying that most of the mainland sims you know are adult - that is quite odd since there are no mainland sims allowed to be marked Adult unless they are in the continent of Zindra.

And as long as the child avatar community and its friends continue to claim no culpability over any of the issues that have involved child avatars in the last two years - they will not learn from their mistakes.

I'm waiting for the adult avatar community to take responsibility for L... L... promoting criminal acts and TOS violations to "get rid of the little bastards". Still no comment from you, Lias? How surprising...

And no, I don't expect the adult avatar community to take responsiblity for the actions of an individual nutcase. Because *I* am able to see the difference between individuals/their actions and groups of people who had nothing to do with the actions of that individual.

The point is that you all are interpreting the same child avatar sanctions from Linden Lab differently. Therefore Linden Lab needs to clarify that ruling.
'Leading Members'? Well, if blanket denial is a pre-requisite to becoming a leader of the child avatar community then they are over qualified.
And if they depict a child on or around a parcel clearly marked Adult content then they are depicting children in unsavory situations.
Parcel owners can mark their parcels Adult. This means adult content or adult activity is on that parcel.
Again, the 'leaders' of the child avatar community do not agree with your interpretation of the Linden ruling about child avatars and mature content. Imno says she can set up residency next door to a parcel with sexual content in it - you say she cannot. I believe we need Linden Lab to clear up this gray area for the community.

Round and round we go, when the child sex apologists stop, nobody knows.

Now I am curious. Do you read before typing? I said that most of the mainland sims are rated as MATURE. Go back and read, we will wait.

After the Zindra move the more adult activities will have to be located on sims marked ADULT (ie, on Zindra). Plus, just as there are places for everyone to enjoy on the mainland mature sims (parks, museums, etc) the same will be on Zindra. Zindra is mixed use, not shore-to-shore porn!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So when one of your community member writes in this forum that she can set up a parcel 32 meters from a brothel in Zindra - you just dismiss it and cut her loose from your child avatar 'community' so you can continue your blanket denial of any culpability in anything unsavory occurring in Second Life. Good plan.

She would be in her full rights, given by LL themselfs.

Now again: clarify the L... L... quote. Did you promote criminal acts and TOS violations?

I do not have the 1.23 viewer in front of me, but can you tell me where that option is in 'about land' (I am guessing that is the likely place)?

reading.....

If a parcel is marked Adult COntent - I just gotta believe that Adult content is there somewhere and insist that child avatars do not enter that Adult Content marked parcel.

I am sorry that you had such a problem comprehending the difference between my saying the sim was marked mature and what will have to be on adult sims is located there now. Do you want me to go back and edit the post to avoid your confusion?

Again, is that something new you can do with 1.23? Because it certainly is not the case on the viewers before that.

Daniel that is the problem - that child avatars have full access to Adult content marked parcels as long as they do not gaze upon the adult content on that parcel. Well, that is one interpretation of the Linden child avatar sanctions. Argent and Milla interpret it different (child avatars CANNOT enter a Adult Content marked parcel at all and must keep a wide berth of it). We need clarification on this by Linden Lab.