Blondin, you have some Esplanin to do.

He had previously stated who the land swap was intended for and that some swap requests would be denied.

This boat sailed in April.

And since then it has hit an iceberg.

So which is it -

He did say things at one point that turned out to be not true -- ?

Or

He didn't --?

If "that boat sailed in April" does that mean in April that was true but now it is not?

How then can it now be a true statement as some apologists in this thread are claiming?

To be clear .. if the land hits $100 / meter.

It won't be the fault of Land Speculators.

It will be the fault of Linden Lab.

Not only did *I* ask further .. other people did too


Here is one from Hypatia Meili



No Answer by Blondin.

Blondin had already answered whether or not individual residents would be eligible for the swap, and would some swap requests be denied.

/327/b2/330367/3.html#post2499237

The policy was always that the swap was for publicly advertised adult content.

The Direct Further Question .. Which was a direct quote response.

The one you say I did not make ..

Found here ..

/352/11/314444/261.html#post2408748



Additional Question on the same topic, in the same thread.

/352/11/314444/260.html#post2408737

Are you a politician in your Day job?

here ... Ill phrase it in a way you cant side step.

Was he being disingenuous with me when he said everyone with an Adult description would be moved if they chose?

And as to your side step ...

THAT comment doesn't actually apply the way you think it does.

At that point in the thread Blondin was saying people could change their description and remain Mature, because they didn't need to be "Adult"


That is what led to the obvious question related to what if they WANT to be adult .. and the answer mentioned in Post 1 of this thread.

Didn't Cheddar already try to pull this off?

Apples and oranges. If I'm not mistaken, those two were fixed-size continents. What there was was what there was, and no more land will ever be made for them. Zindra, on the other hand, is (currently, at least), fluid, in that it is being expanded upon as more land becomes needed. Whether it will remain that way is a different matter, and one I'm sure the land flippers gaming the Zindra land swap are banking on.

ETA: Another key difference is that neither Bay City nor Nautilus were mandatory-move lands -- that is, nobody was ever forced to move there on the basis of what they had on their land. If the Zindra land pool ever ceases to be endless, then land there will become obscenely valuable (no pun intended).

Look at this statement ..

The reason is the majority will not need to move - The Implication supported by other Blondin comments is that their activities are not really Adult and they can be "Mature" instead.

This does not cover the people who WANT to move. It covers the people who will not need to move. Considerable difference. Blondin was acting like a "Well am I Mature or Adult?" FAQ answerer here.

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"Many others would simply need to remove a word or Two from their Land infor or search Tags"


This is the big one ... which led to my question.. What if they dont Want to change their search tags? What if they Want to remain adult?

Why would someone requesting Adult Land want to change their search tags so they can be mature instead? Did they not request Adult Land?

Again Blondin is playing the FAQ answerer, without thinking through the implications of what he said.

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Now, even if you dismiss those of type One, there is no explanation for those of type Two. Especially in light of Blondin Saying .....

Actually bay city was supposed to grow and neverdid

We'll just se ewhen the auctions start, I seem to remeber people paying $200/m in Pay City, how many of them actually got $what they tried to flip it at, who knows......
Zindra won't be infinite, but there's nothing to stop them making smaller continents around it

Need to move = you are eligible for the current round of land swaps going on.


Voluntary move = you wait until they start selling land in Zindra and buy some. Everybody on the grid is allowed to take advantage of this voluntary program at such time as they start selling Zindra.

Colette's question was regarding people whose land descriptions are adult, she asked why can't they be moved, why should they have to change their land descriptions to mature. Why should a parcel that LL's own search filters deem adult not be moved?




This is for those who don't need to move, whose parcels aren't being filtered as adult in search, parcels that are found in PG and Mature search and aren't selling adult content. That's not what Colette's question or Blondin's direct reply were about.

Unless they do like bay city and start allowing private sims to be placed all around it like they did with bay city wich prevents it's expansion. I really wish I wasn't working off my phone and could find that blog post about bay city where they said it would be expanded to meet demand.

Need to move = if you don't move your ass is AR fodder. Linden Labs should not be using any stricter definition than that.

FYI

I have ticket in asking why I was turned down, if I will "have" to move anyway (on my dime), if I have to remove products from sale, if I have to remove the various sex beds, and how I have to change my biz otherwise.

Still twisting in the breeze

But on the brighter side... guess i'm the only adult biz who will be on mainland.

Possibly some confusion here. To my reading of the map, Bay City is still pretty much surrounded by void and could grow whenever necessary, as I still expect it one day shall. Nautilus City island, however, was pretty self-contained geography from the start--and anyway, for how much Atlantis-themed slow-rez sculptie-ridden Mainland can there possibly be demand?--and then they added Blake Sea and reeled in the USS regions.

you're right I might me mistaken but I only see about one or two sim spaces of void surrounding bay city before there are private islands....I really doubt that LL will fill in the places where there is the one reigon gap and butt their land up against the private land so I boubt it ever really will expand.
found where it said it will expand
https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2008/05/25/bay-city-content-package

"Hmm, in case it wasn’t clear from all the open edges, roads and canals … Bay City will expand in the future!"
Posted by Michael Linden on May 25, 2008 12:28:22 AM

What do you sell? Sorry too sleepy to read this entire thread.

If it's just beds, and nothing is adult-visible in picture or action form, and not advertised in search as such (that seemed to be a huge key element in this whole move) then it's just a shop selling beds basically and maybe doesn't qualify as adult.

I guess the word in your store name isn't bad enough either.

Now that I look closer, you may be right. I'd always taken those nearby sims to be Linden territory--some kind of failed terraforming experiments--but I'm sure I've never been to any of them and I can't get in-world to check right now: they may very well be private islands, and that would certainly constrain Bay City growth.

With the clarity of hindsight I think we've all made an assumption of intent on LLs part that was never there.

We assumed that because they were doing something about adult content they were serious about it.

The reality is that this as much of a PR stunt as the gambling ban and with the benefit of hindsight you can see exactly how it will play out.

In the beginning there will be a flurry of ARs and other unpleasantness then it will just settle down until it looks like nothing has really changed. After all, the only way LL actually intend to police this is by having the resident vigilante squads do it for them.

All up, the last 4 months has been a huge waste of time.

To anyone who hasn't applied for land yet and think they need to I strongly suggest you look at what you have and work out if the land you may get is worth giving up your customer base/landmarks/picks etc for. If the answer is no then don't bother.

Which is the one fear Cyn had and the only lever we really ever had against this. This is all about PR - it's actually not really about us at all.

https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=112897. Triggered this, I only read the first few pages and a lot of it holds true for the AC stuff too. Ignore the bits about LL being on the take.

With the benefit of hindsight, we all should have walked away after the first blog post and shouldn't have wasted as much time as we have trying to get them to behave in a logical manner. They have been behaving exactly in line with what they're trying to do and what they're trying to do isn't what we expect it to be.

After reading that thread, seeing what I have and generally doing a post mortem of this whole fiasco, I'm more and more convinced that I should have walked away and ignored it completely. I certainly shouldn't have moved as there was no need.

LL only survives because of the commitment of the users and their wallets to overlooking the poor quality platform and customer service, paying tier and for creating things for free or cheap that LL can then use in their marketing to attract yet more wallets.

They certainly show no awareness, let alone acknowledgement, of the debt they owe us.

In future if they want to change the terms of the contract for the product I pay for then they contact me personally and tell me. Otherwise I will assume the original contract stands.

Telling a few people that the official channel for communication is a blog that very few people know about won't stand up in court and I refuse to make any more allowances for their unprofessional behaviour.

/vent over.

Tattoos (trampstamps) with words like "____ Slut" "C------ S----" the F word is used several times... all advertized in search, classified ads, etc... Oh an i sell them so it is commercialized content.

And no slut is fine right now... however the descriptive words before the word slut in my tattoos/advertisement/search/product names are "banned" words.

Oh and looking around Zindra... beds *are* enough to send you to Zindra... go figure